Drinking alcohol and smoking pot – what are your thoughts?

[Kc906]

I remember reading there are better and safer drugs to quell nausea and stimulate appetite (other than marijuana).

I can’t say that those don’t exist, I am just not familiar with those pharmaceutical alternatives. I’ll see what I can find this weekend on those, but if you have the names of those drugs then please provide

Do you have any hard core facts which suggest marijuana will save your life?
Because it is not a cure…and there are better and more effective drugs to handle some of the symptoms of these diseases.

My Grandmother recently passed away from cardiovascular failure. The last few years of her life she was taking roughly 25 pills throughout the day. The last 6 months, she hurt herself after taking a fall and the doctor prescribed Vicodin for the pain. She said the pills did not work that well, and she also lost her appetite from the pain medication and had bad nausea when she was able to eat.

From my understanding this is a fairly common occurrence; many Pharma drugs offer help for certain things, but in turn they cause another issue or symptom. Whereas, Marijuana would have been able to provide a pain relief for my Grandmother, which would not have resulted in nausea (it prevents nausea.) Perhaps there is a Pharma product out there that can offer these same benefits without the side effects? Like I said, I am not aware of any but if there are then I would be interested to learn more about the benefits and possible side effect(s.)

 

[april32010]

marijuana provides little if any pain relief,and it does not prevent nausea

 

[Mickey]

if you have the names of those drugs then please provide

For which diseases in particular? Coptic Christian would be able to help us here…he is the expert.

She said the pills did not work that well, and she also lost her appetite from the pain medication and had bad nausea when she was able to eat.

I really doubt that marijuana would have helped her. But it is a common argument of the marijuana proponents.

(it prevents nausea.)

Are you sure about that?

Let us look at reality people. Medicinal value is marginal at best. If there is a real benefit that eliminates the euphoric element…that would be worth looking into.

The other day, when the law went into effect in Washington. The weed smokers all gathered in Seattle to light up their joints and start toking. They were thrilled that law enforcement is eeminlgy hand-cuffed. This is about stoners, hippies, and wannabe hippies wanting the ability to blow their minds legality. It is best to read and listen to what the CCC says…and avoid the temptations of the world.

 

[Mickey]

marijuana provides little if any pain relief,and it does not prevent nausea

Yes. That is what I suspect also April. However, this is worth a try:

The properties of basil contain antioxidants that are said to be anti-cancer, anti-viral and anti-microbial. Herbalists have recommended basil tea for vomiting, stomach cramps and constipation. Basil has been reported to help those who are going through chemotherapy treatments or radiation. Homopathic physicians use the tea to help treat anxiety and nervous headaches.
http://alternative-health.helium.com/how-to/10987-how-to-use-basil-medicinally

 

[epan]

marijuana provides little if any pain relief,and it does not prevent nausea

Your opinion contradicts hard science. So I must ask what do you base it on?

 

[JHow]

I just wish all the pot-libertarians were as solicitous about the right to keep and bear arms. Funny how it never works that way.

 

[SuperLuigi]

I’ve been to various Protestant churches…some discourage drinking, others prohibit it, and still others have no problem with it. I believe Catholics drink just like me. Since marijuana is now legal in Washington and Colorado, and medical marijuana is legal in many states, what do you believe about drinking and smoking pot?

This is your brain.

This is your brain on drugs…

Any questions?

 

[april32010]

Your opinion contradicts hard science. So I must ask what do you base it on?

smoking it for thirteen years,everyday ,all day.

 

[Kc906]

For which diseases in particular? Coptic Christian would be able to help us here…he is the expert.

Hi Mickey, I was replying to your post about nausea and stimulating appetite

I really doubt that marijuana would have helped her. But it is a common argument of the marijuana proponents.

I would tend to agree that if Marijuana did was I presumed it would do for her (pain relief, stimulate appetite, stop nausea,) this would probably not have prevented the fatal heart attack that ensued afterwards. But I do believe there are people who are going through certain things in which Marijuana would benefit them (Chemotherapy, Radiation, Multiple Sclerosis, Parkinson’s.)

Let us look at reality people. Medicinal value is marginal at best. If there is a real benefit that eliminates the euphoric element…that would be worth looking into.

I personally agree, the strand that Israel is generating that CopticChristian spoke about is a step in the right direction if it can provide the same medicinal purposes without the euphoric (high) that typically is associated with Marijuana. The real question is, is the Euphoric feeling part of what helps out those patients who use Marijuana to combat their symptoms or help them through Chemo/Radiation?

The other day, when the law went into effect in Washington. The weed smokers all gathered in Seattle to light up their joints and start toking. They were thrilled that law enforcement is eeminlgy hand-cuffed. This is about stoners, hippies, and wannabe hippies wanting the ability to blow their minds legality. It is best to read and listen to what the CCC says…and avoid the temptations of the world.

I touched on this in my first post on this thread. Colorado and Washington state both passed laws which decriminalize (legalize?) Marijuana. This is not what California and other states in the union have done, which is make it legal for patients to obtain Marijuana if a doctor prescribes it. I agree, what these two states did is about stoners, hippies, and other people who want to be able to get high whenever they want.

I personally am not for an all out decriminalization at the Federal level; I am for the drug to be allowed medicinally at the Federal level only.

 

[Mickey]

But I do believe there are people who are going through certain things in which Marijuana would benefit them (Chemotherapy, Radiation, Multiple Sclerosis, Parkinson’s.)

But it will not save lives. It is possible that it may make someone a bit more comfortable…but I believe there are more effective drugs on the market. Where is Coptic Christian?

This is not what California and other states in the union have done, which is make it legal for patients to obtain Marijuana if a doctor prescribes it.

I understand. But a black market has emerged where people are obtaining medicinal marijuana by prescription and selling it to stoners.

 

[Kc906]

smoking it for thirteen years,everyday ,all day.

First hand use is the best way to know what something really is, and what it really does. I personally smoked the stuff for about 8 years back in school, but I didn’t have any medical symptoms that I was treating. So I have no personal way of knowing if it does what I believe it does do, medically speaking.

Would you agree that there is more than one pharmaceutical drug on the market for Pain Relief, Sinus Relief, Cold Symptoms, Flu Symptoms, Acne, Depression, among others? Would it be plausible to assume that one reason why there is more than one drug on the market is because these drugs are “made” of different components, hence not every drug works the same for every person?

Marijuana is a plant that is grown from soil, not a chemical created in a lab engineered by Pharmaceutical companies. There are so many different strands being grown out there today, each having their own level of THC. Not all people respond well to Cetaphil for their Acne; I know I didn’t. Wouldn’t it be logical to assume that not all patients would respond the same way to Marijuana for their treatment? Or, certain patients respond differently to the different strand of Marijuana that is being used?

 

[CopticChristian]

But it will not save lives. It is possible that it may make someone a bit more comfortable…but I believe there are more effective drugs on the market. Where is Coptic Christian?
I understand. But a black market has emerged where people are obtaining medicinal marijuana by prescription and selling it to stoners.

Mickey,

It is used for lots of stuff…it does increase apetite and for the cancer patient this is good. The Euphoria may be part of the treatment and the lack of Euphoria would not change the effects as I understand it. Here is an article from Germany.

Dtsch Arztebl Int. 2012 Jul;109(29-30):495-501. Epub 2012 Jul 23.
The therapeutic potential of cannabis and cannabinoids.
Grotenhermen F, Müller-Vahl K.
Sourcenova-Institut GmbH, Chemiepark Knapsack, Hürth.

In Germany, a cannabis extract was approved in 2011 for the treatment of moderate to severe refractory spasticity in multiple sclerosis. It is commonly used off label for the treatment of anorexia, nausea, and neuropathic pain.

It is not the only modality available and it is just like anything…some people do better with one thing than another.

 

[Kc906]

But it will not save lives. It is possible that it may make someone a bit more comfortable…but I believe there are more effective drugs on the market. Where is Coptic Christian?

Medicine is not defined by items that prevent phyiscal death; it obviously is out there to treat non life threatening items as well. Now, I did state that I believe Marijuana is a lifesaver, I stand by that statement based on Pro-Marijuana documentaries that I have been able to watch over the years. There were people with legitimate medical isuses and conditions; one that I watched recently showed the story of the only 2 people ever prescribed and provided Medical Marijuana by the Federal Government.

I understand. But a black market has emerged where people are obtaining medicinal marijuana by prescription and selling it to stoners.

This again is part of what I put in my orginal post. As a Church and followers of Christ, we know that Alcohol is not outlawed in scripture (criminalized in God’s eyes,) but it is stated very clearly that we are not to get drunk. Because people break the rules in our country and get drunk off Alcohol (including Christians,) should we as a Church be starting a movement to criminalize Alcohol because our fellow brothers and sisters cannot control themselves? As a people and a Church, we tolerate the substance of Alcohol but we disapprove of the abuse of it (to get drunk.) I believe we should be consistant in our stance, and we should be for allowing Marijuana to be used for Medical purposes only. And we should voice our disapproval for those out there who are using just for the euphoric feeling.

Your hinting at something that to me personally is why the US Federal government and ALL other governments in the World do not have full blown Marijuana legalization. If it were legal, an overwhelming majority of users would grow their own plants, which would mean their money would not be going to the big companies who are taking the time to produce and sell it on the market. This in turn would reduce the revenues received from Alcohol and Tobacco, because anyone who has ever used before knows that they don’t drink or smoke as much Tobacco at the same time. Some people brew their own Alcohol/liquor, but I can only assume this number is relatively low (10% maybe?) I don’t know of any people that grow their own tobacco plants with the intent to smoke them. The Lobbyists for these to products are hard at work to prevent anything else from getting in their market where they are addicting people to their products.

 

[CopticChristian]

Medicine is not defined by items that prevent phyiscal death; it obviously is out there to treat non life threatening items as well. **Now, I did state that I believe Marijuana is a lifesaver, I stand by that statement based on Pro-Marijuana documentaries that I have been able to watch over the years. ** There were people with legitimate medical isuses and conditions; one that I watched recently showed the story of the only 2 people ever prescribed and provided Medical Marijuana by the Federal Government.

This again is part of what I put in my orginal post. As a Church and followers of Christ, we know that Alcohol is not outlawed in scripture (criminalized in God’s eyes,) but it is stated very clearly that we are not to get drunk. Because people break the rules in our country and get drunk off Alcohol (including Christians,) should we as a Church be starting a movement to criminalize Alcohol because our fellow brothers and sisters cannot control themselves? As a people and a Church, we tolerate the substance of Alcohol but we disapprove of the abuse of it (to get drunk.) I believe we should be consistant in our stance, and we should be for allowing Marijuana to be used for Medical purposes only. And we should voice our disapproval for those out there who are using just for the euphoric feeling.

Your hinting at something that to me personally is why the US Federal government and ALL other governments in the World do not have full blown Marijuana legalization. If it were legal, an overwhelming majority of users would grow their own plants, which would mean their money would not be going to the big companies who are taking the time to produce and sell it on the market. This in turn would reduce the revenues received from Alcohol and Tobacco, because anyone who has ever used before knows that they don’t drink or smoke as much Tobacco at the same time. Some people brew their own Alcohol/liquor, but I can only assume this number is relatively low (10% maybe?) I don’t know of any people that grow their own tobacco plants with the intent to smoke them. The Lobbyists for these to products are hard at work to prevent anything else from getting in their market where they are addicting people to their products.

KC,

Symptoms. Symptoms. This is a manifestation of something. It is a signal that something is wrong.

Pain is a symptom however lately in can be suggested that it is a primary disorder and in that case it still remains a symptom.

Narcotics do not cure.
Anti-nausea agents do not cure.

Agents that aid nausea and pain RELIEVE symptoms and improve the quality of life for those that have those symptoms.

I believe you put yourself out on a limb when you say “life saver”…Penicillin and other antibiotics can be considered life savers…Marijuana does not fall into that class of medicinals…

 

[Mickey]

I did state that I believe Marijuana is a lifesaver, I stand by that statement

I am not familiar with any reports that shows people’s lives were saved…or diseases cured…by marijuana.

I believe we should be consistant in our stance, and we should be for allowing Marijuana to be used for Medical purposes only.

Again…my issue is not with medicinal possibilities…especially if they can utilize the Israeli information. But as for recreational use, the Catholic Church is specific about that.

Furthermore, it is quite simple to have a glass of wine with dinner. But pot cannot be regulated in such a manner. And if the states (or feds) attempt to regulate it by growing some kind of “relaxing strain” (as Ghosty claims)…then there will be no market for it…and the potent “one hit” weed will be the norm.

And we should voice our disapproval for those out there who are using just for the euphoric feeling.

Indeed.

Your hinting at something that to me personally is why the US Federal government and ALL other governments in the World do not have full blown Marijuana legalization. If it were legal, an overwhelming majority of users would grow their own plants, which would mean their money would not be going to the big companies who are taking the time to produce and sell it on the market. This in turn would reduce the revenues received from Alcohol and Tobacco, because anyone who has ever used before knows that they don’t drink or smoke as much Tobacco at the same time. Some people brew their own Alcohol/liquor, but I can only assume this number is relatively low (10% maybe?) I don’t know of any people that grow their own tobacco plants with the intent to smoke them. The Lobbyists for these to products are hard at work to prevent anything else from getting in their market where they are addicting people to their products.

Agreed.

 

[GaryTaylor]

I’ve never seen the data that Marijuana relieves pain. nor has that been my experience. It may distract you from your pain, so will Prayer.

 

[Kc906]

KC,

Symptoms. Symptoms. This is a manifestation of something. It is a signal that something is wrong.

Pain is a symptom however lately in can be suggested that it is a primary disorder and in that case it still remains a symptom.

Narcotics do not cure.
Anti-nausea agents do not cure.

Agents that aid nausea and pain RELIEVE symptoms and improve the quality of life for those that have those symptoms.

I believe you put yourself out on a limb when you say “life saver”…Penicillin and other antibiotics can be considered life savers…Marijuana does not fall into that class of medicinals…

I agree the term “life saver” is typically used for thing such as…“If they don’t get this within X hours the patient is going to die.” In that typical context, I would agree that the word “life saver” is not appropriate.

I believe there have been somewhere around 14 people in American History who were provided Marijuana from the Government for health reasons. One of the gentlemen was in the documentary I watched; he had a condition where he needed to keep his muscles in his body relaxed at all times in order to prevent his death.

I don’t recall his name (i’ll find it and get back to you,) and I don’t recall the name of his condition (i’ll get it as well.) Perhaps there are more modern medicines that can do the same thing for him today? In this particular case, and who knows how common of an ailment it is among our population, but this man uses Marijuana to save his life.

 

[GaryTaylor]

I’ve never seen the data that Marijuana is a muscle relaxer either? Love to read it. This is a new “miracle” drug.

Are you saying it will cause drowsiness? I’m sorry I should say it “could” cause drowsiness since it can be either a stimulant or depressant.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Does Marijuana cause depression? Let me guess straight to Bi Polar from there?

mayoclinic.com/health/marijuana-and-depression/AN01900

 

[Mickey]

I’ve never seen the data that Marijuana relieves pain.

Ditto.