Drinking alcohol and smoking pot – what are your thoughts?

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Mickey said:
I am not familiar with any reports that shows people’s lives were saved…or diseases cured…by marijuana.
Again…my issue is not with medicinal possibilities…especially if they can utilize the Israeli information. But as for recreational use, the Catholic Church is specific about that.
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I responded to Coptic on this first part; I will verify the name of the name of the gentleman and the name of his condition that results in him getting Marijuana from the Feds. Here we are in agreement Mickey. As a former user of 8 years, I personally feel that Marijuana is safer than Alcohol and Tobacco to ones self and to others around us. But, I am a Christian first, and I know that God wants us to be sober, alert, and aware that the Fallen one and his minions are after us at all times. For this reason, I can’t in good conscience condone the recreational use of this drug.
Furthermore, it is quite simple to have a glass of wine with dinner. But pot cannot be regulated in such a manner. And if the states (or feds) attempt to regulate it by growing some kind of “relaxing strain” (as Ghosty claims)…then there will be no market for it…and the potent “one hit” weed will be the norm.
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Yeah, one can have a drink and not get to the point of getting drunk. Marijuana doesn’t work this way from my personal experience and what I witnessed from others I was around. One puff can very well get a person to feel the effects, and even if it doesn’t the user is only smoking it in order to feel the effects of the THC. They don’t smoke it, feel nothing, and stop.
 
Kc906 said:
As a former user of 8 years, I personally feel that Marijuana is safer than Alcohol and Tobacco to ones self and to others around us.
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As a former user of almost two decades…and a former functional alcoholic…and a former 27 year cigarette addict…I disagree.
 
Kc906 said:
As a former user of 8 years, I personally feel that Marijuana is safer than Alcohol and Tobacco to ones self and to others around us.
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Safer? That would be entirely subjective. I suppose that various people would rank them in different orders. Suffice it to say that all three are destructive. Cigarettes are linked to multiple cancers and breathing disorders including emphesema. Alcohol is linked to various cancers and liver disease. Marijuana (because it is inhaled more deeply than cigarettes) causes respiratory problems similar to cigarettes (I’m not sure about the cancer risks). There are other mental issues with pot… due to the psychotic nature of the drug…and side effects including sloth, gluttony, and paranoia.
 
Mickey said:
Safer? That would be entirely subjective. I suppose that various people would rank them in different orders. Suffice it to say that all three are destructive. Cigarettes are linked to multiple cancers and breathing disorders including emphesema. Alcohol is linked to various cancers and liver disease. Marijuana (because it is inhaled more deeply than cigarettes) causes respiratory problems similar to cigarettes (I’m not sure about the cancer risks). There are other mental issues with pot… due to the psychotic nature of the drug…and side effects including sloth, gluttony, and paranoia.
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Well of course, I was giving my subjective opinion on the 3 substances due to my personal experience. Personal experience goes a long way after all, since that is the only way to know if the medicine provides relief for a persons symptoms. In my case, I was bringing in a recreational point of view. Marijuana of course can be included in drinks, food, and can be vaporized as well. So there are different ways one can get it into their system for the wanted/needed effects.
 
I believe I found the gentlemen I was referring to in my previous posts, his name is Irvin Rosenfeld. The web site I found him and the other recipients listed on have his diagnosis as “Multiple Congenital Cartilaginous Exostoses.” I wasn’t trying to mislead anyone when I said I thought he used it to relax all the muscles in his body; I just didn’t recall exactly what he had and needed to find out.

I am finished with lunch so I am not able to check out any of the YouTube videos and articles, but his story is very intriguing to me personally.

This man has many articles out there on him if you do a simple Google search; the link below shows the 8 “known” patients who are provided Marijuana by the Federal Government.

medicalmarijuana.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000257

Another article about him on ABC News:

abcnews.go.com/Business/man-sets-marijuana-record-smokes-115000-joints-provided/story?id=9159281
 
Kc906 said:
Personal experience goes a long way after all
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Yes. And sadly, I have much more personal experience than you with all three. Thank God it is in the past. And I pray every day that it stays in the past.
Kc906 said:
Marijuana of course can be included in drinks, food, and can be vaporized as well.
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That is not the norm.
 
Swiss_Guy said:
Drinking is ok in moderation; i.e don’t get drunk. Pot is not okay because it gets a person “high” immediately, unlike alcohol. Being able to control what you are doing is something that God made us to do.
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You can’t equivocate being “high” to being drunk like that. Being high and the level of impairment one experiences from marijuana depends on how much they take in and their tolerance. The only difference when comes to feeling the effects of alcohol and marijuana is that a toke takes seconds to feel, where as a gulp of booze sets in after several minutes.
 
stringbeanduck said:
The only difference when comes to feeling the effects of alcohol and marijuana is that a toke takes seconds to feel, where as a gulp of booze sets in after several minutes.
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Not really. One hit can get you intoxicated within seconds…and with most levels of THC out there today, you can get very high.

Alcohol takes many drinks to be intoxicated.

And then of course, I refer you back to the CCC.
 
My personal opinion is that everyone should try to refrain from drinking alcohol and smoking recreational drugs. Let’s face it, these are control substances, and I have known far too many people personally whose lives have been ruined from them. Alcoholism has been a real problem with some family members, and I’ve had friends who’ve dabbled in drugs, only to come out attempting suicide. Had a cousin killed by a drunk driver. My best friend’s family broke up because his dad was addicted to pot. Had roommate’s whose parents were alcoholics and they often told me how devastated they were. We are a truly troubled society.

I suppose it’s okay to have alcohol once in a while, in very small amounts. I drink it a couple times a year, but I have known people who drink every [other] night. I would definitely consider them alcoholics, and these were post-college people. I would think that habit would have died in their college days, but they continue binging several nights of the week when they have full-time jobs. I have never been a big fan of drinking alcohol, so living the “bar life” is just not for me.
 
I will reiterate that there is a big difference between drinking to feel the effects, and drinking to be drunk. We are permitted, and even encouraged in Scripture, to drink to feel the effects. We are not permitted to be drunk, which is the loss of reason.

Likewise, it would seem to be permissible to smoke to feel the effects, but not to get stoned to the point of losing reason.

Too often in these discussions it seems as though people are saying that we shouldn’t even be drinking to feel the effects, but that is not the Christian tradition. We certainly can abstain for the glory of God, but we are not expected to, and in fact drinking can itself give glory to God.

Peace and God bless!
 
Ghosty said:
I will reiterate that there is a big difference between drinking to feel the effects, and drinking to be drunk. We are permitted, and even encouraged in Scripture, to drink to feel the effects. We are not permitted to be drunk, which is the loss of reason.

Likewise, it would seem to be permissible to smoke to feel the effects, but not to get stoned to the point of losing reason.

Too often in these discussions it seems as though people are saying that we shouldn’t even be drinking to feel the effects, but that is not the Christian tradition. We certainly can abstain for the glory of God, but we are not expected to, and in fact drinking can itself give glory to God.

Peace and God bless!
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:hmmm: Not so much critcizing what you bespeak however; seems to me that most whom delve into the leisure of drinking socially or alone for that matter, whereby once they’ve reached the transition of feeling good have already lost the power of reason. Feeling good as per say might have a litnay of individual discerning views.

Correct me if I’m wrong but your source of scripture in speaking of drinking to get merry is written somewhere in the book of Proverbs with a wise warning if memory serves my recollection. Not sure if Saint Paul spoke about something concerning this nature.

In reality though methinks like any passioned (“enjoyment”) of the flesh be it consuming food, alcoholic beverages, etc, etc should all be taken in moderation or much far better avoided all together as one is inclined spiritually to mortify the passions of the flesh for the betterment of ones soul. Hopefully as we grow older and wiser to the direction toward God we learn to curb our appetites and senses of the flesh.

When I was younger in my foolishness I got into drinking heavy and occasionally toked on pot and hashish. Thankfully; with God’s help I grew out of those childish behaviors which never did me any good from the start. A Wise man is one who knows well his weaknesses of the flesh and that of avoiding such occasion.

My health doesn’t allow me to delve into these intricacies of enjoyments in the flesh.
A blessing in disguise? I suppose its how one looks at it. For the betterment of my soul I’d say.😉

Fraternally in the Peace of Christ
Chris
 
Ghosty said:
Likewise, it would seem to be permissible to smoke to feel the effects, but not to get stoned to the point of losing reason.
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I will reiterate. Marijuana intoxication happens immediately…and there is no way to control it.
 
Not so much critcizing what you bespeak however; seems to me that most whom delve into the leisure of drinking socially or alone for that matter, whereby once they’ve reached the transition of feeling good have already lost the power of reason. Feeling good as per say might have a litnay of individual discerning views.
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I don’t know that this is a fair statement to make. While everyone has a different view of their own tolerance and mental state when drinking, I don’t think we can say that most who drink for leisure do so to the point of losing reason. Again, I think this may be an example of confusing “feeling the effects”, where one becomes merrier and can’t tell if they’re drinking good wine or bad wine, and being drunk.
Correct me if I’m wrong but your source of scripture in speaking of drinking to get merry is written somewhere in the book of Proverbs with a wise warning if memory serves my recollection. Not sure if Saint Paul spoke about something concerning this nature.
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The passage that I referred to earlier is from Psalms, but we have several more. Remember, Jesus turned water into wine after people had presumably already had enough to not tell the difference between good wine and bad. They were not acting licentiously, or without reason, but they were obviously drinking for more than the flavor. Paul spoke against drunkenness, and about not drinking if your conscience was against it, or if it would cause others to fall into sin, but never against drinking until you feel the effects. There is a wide gap between feeling the effects of alcohol and the “drunkenness” spoken of in Scripture.
In reality though methinks like any passioned (“enjoyment”) of the flesh be it consuming food, alcoholic beverages, etc, etc should all be taken in moderation or much far better avoided all together as one is inclined spiritually to mortify the passions of the flesh for the betterment of ones soul. Hopefully as we grow older and wiser to the direction toward God we learn to curb our appetites and senses of the flesh.
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Yes, abstaining is a spiritual good, but so is feasting. One should always be moderate, but moderation doesn’t mean “not feeling the effect”, it means knowing the limit between having the good effects and falling into a stupor, or being consumed with desire. It goes too far to call something sinful when in fact it is a good, even if it’s a good that you are giving up for the glory of God. Fast from meat, but don’t call eating meat a sin; fast from drink, but don’t call “feeling the effects” drunkenness.
When I was younger in my foolishness I got into drinking heavy and occasionally toked on pot and hashish. Thankfully; with God’s help I grew out of those childish behaviors which never did me any good from the start. A Wise man is one who knows well his weaknesses of the flesh and that of avoiding such occasion.
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Very wise words, but remember that not all are as weak as you. Don’t presume that others sin just because you would be sinning in their place. Know your limits, and abstain if necessary. 🙂

Peace and God bless!
 
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