Exclusive: Trump threatens third-party run

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estesbob said:
Then why did you bring it up? Do you think birtherism is worse than true trutherism ?
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I was responding to the poster who started spouting Birther dog whistles: Hussein. Soetoro. All very underhanded.
 
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Trump Would Lose Badly In A Third-Party Bid, But He Could Take The Republican Down, Too

fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/trump-would-lose-badly-in-a-third-party-bid-but-he-could-take-the-republican-down-too/?ex_cid=538fb&utm_content=buffereb64d&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
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As I’ve said, in the general election, Republicans are going to need the people that are leaning towards Trump. I don’t know how they think alienating those people is going to ensure they pull the lever for the Republican. The people listening to Trump are GOP voters who feel the party has at best, ignored them, and at worst, actively despises them. That’s the problem they need to fix.
 
estesbob said:
He didn’t say a word about birtherism You injected it into the thread.
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Having been around the darkest corners of the internet, I know Birtherist code words and sentiments when I see them. I understand that they might be invisible to those who aren’t fully versed in the conspiracy theory, but they’re there, nonetheless.
 
Darryl_Revok said:
It’s kind of an impossible choice.

The longer he stays in the GOP race, the more he poisons the party.

If the GOP crushes him, they feed into his status as an outsider, thus giving him additional cachet as a third-party candidate.

There are no easy solutions. If the GOP would have taken measures to reduce its attractiveness to blowhards and shills a couple of election cycles ago, then this issue wouldn’t have blown up to the extent that it has, but, alas, Republicans have a demagogue problem.
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Yes it appears Republicans do indeed have a problem any way they cut it. It will be interesting to see going forward how they handle Trump and how Trump handles them.
 
Trump should run as a Democrat.

Hillary’s base demographic (the media would have us believe) is … women.

It may be citing a stereotype to say so but … many women (many men too but one thing at a time) often make surprising life changing decisions when a rich man is involved. Trump is (financially at least) of that alpha dog type that often gets even unwarranted loyalty and support.

Whichever party he runs in, or with … he could probably BUY as few votes as it would take to put him over the top in Iowa and New Hampshire. :eek: After that he could change gears, speak quietly … or openly blast ONLY the other party … and call for “party unity” as one by one other candidates drop off and support … inevitable him.

I myself am NOT for Trump. Even though he IS saying some things that are well said and changing the face of the national discussion.

What I DO like about the multiplicity of candidates now running (especially in the GOP primaries) is that more important issues get examined – and perhaps policies for the new administration will be influenced thereby – after January 20, 2017.

Unless some candidate becomes “Obama’s third term”. :bigyikes:
 
Trump knows very well he has no chance of winning the Republican nomination and that he cannot win the presidency as a third-party candidate either. As for the damage he is causing, he does not care.

As always, it is all about Donald Trump.
 
Darryl_Revok said:
Having been around the darkest corners of the internet, I know Birtherist code words and sentiments when I see them. I understand that they might be invisible to those who aren’t fully versed in the conspiracy theory, but they’re there, nonetheless.
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its the newest way to build a straw man. Invoke :“dog whistle” (which only appears to be used by conservatives) and then tear down people for what one claims they meant.

It in one of the many new weapons in the liberal arsenal, much like “White Privilege” (one is racist by birth),
 
estesbob said:
its the newest way to build a straw man. Invoke :“dog whistle” (which only appears to be used by conservatives) and then tear down people for what one claims they meant.

It in one of the many new weapons in the liberal arsenal, much like “White Privilege” (one is racist by birth),
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The best description I’ve read is that the people who use this term are fantasists. Their arguments and analysis are based on what they imagine conservatives to think, and some would say it’s actually quite offensive

redstate.com/diary/sdsali/2011/01/18/the-liberal-dog-whistle-meme/
 
I can’t help but wonder if Trump knows exactly what he is doing. Frankly, I wouldn’t be surprised if he is a saboteur for the Democratic Party.

I still have no sympathy for the clown car, and for better or worse, I think I will vote for Sanders if he is selected for the Democratic candidate.
 
estesbob said:
its the newest way to build a straw man. Invoke :“dog whistle” (which only appears to be used by conservatives) and then tear down people for what one claims they meant.

It in one of the many new weapons in the liberal arsenal, much like “White Privilege” (one is racist by birth),
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Sigh The original post referred to the President as “Barry Soetoro”.

This is as blatant a Birther reference as you can get.
 
Trump’s stunt is getting people to talk about the Republican party, about immigration, Iran, etc. This spotlight is not bad; we have the energy. There are three or four (or more) really good candidates (I don’t count Trump here). The nation is really focusing on the party right now; I personally am not worried about Trump doing a 3rd party run; he wouldn’t win and he knows that. HIs Mexico trip ended with a wimper, not a bang. This could already be running out of steam, who knows. I think he is just riding this thing as far as it will go. The voters seem much more upset about it than the candidates. I can’t understand that. The debates start on Fox in a couple of weeks - that will establish clear front runners. I was in the middle of the Obama / Hilary spat myself as a Democrat - that was nasty but it all worked out in the end (and we beat Hilary; that was really a triumph - doubt CAFers will appreciate it but at the time it was a big deal, stressful and exhausting). It is premature to freak out about Trump, it really is. And a making peace moment will really energize and solidify the party. I like the momentum so far a lot. We’re doing ok. I actually wonder if Trump is playing that angle - come back in. We have to see how the votes go in the primaries.
 
Darryl_Revok said:
Sigh The original post referred to the President as “Barry Soetoro”.

This is as blatant a Birther reference as you can get.
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I think birther references whether by Trump or by other Republicans or other conservatives, are merely attempts to illegitimize Obama’s Presidency in their minds because they simply have a difficult time accepting that they lost not once but twice to him. But the truth remains that they did.
 
But that means some people voted for Obama two times, oh well, this is a Christian forum and we must be charitable to all.
 
I’m not sure, I’m not into this “birther” stuff but it does NOT have to have to do with Birtherism:
On March 5, 2009, a lawsuit filed by Philip Berg on behalf of Gregory S. Hollister, a retired Air Force colonel, against Barack Obama (referenced as “Barry Soetoro”, the name given at the time of his enrollment in an Indonesian elementary school).
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_presidential_eligibility_litigation#Hollister_v._Soetoro

Was that his name in Indonesia? It seems I have heard of this, if so, this doesn’t seem to have much to do with Columbia.
 
What is so funny about Obama to me - I thought the birther stuff was crazy, completely nuts, right. But the way Obama turned out, it didn’t really matter whether it was true or not. It may have as well been. All that stuff about being a Muslim. Again, I thought it was ridiculous - again whether it is true or not, the results are the same - may as well have been. I really don’t think he loves this country. I think he sees it as a nasty pile of injustices to be neutralized and reversed. No discussion about it with anyone.
 
Darryl_Revok said:
I was responding to the poster who started spouting Birther dog whistles: Hussein. Soetoro. All very underhanded.
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Underhanded? What, the names Hussein, Soetoro? Spouting Birther dog whistles? Are you suggesting that you would whistle for Barack Hussein Obama like a dog? You do know that Soetoro was the name he had prior to Obama, right?

Your response is very strange.
 
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