Father James Altman: You cannot be Catholic & a Democrat. Period

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No, I don’t believe it does. The Pope is not the Magesterium, nor is everything he says infallible.
 
Julius_Caesar said:
Life is sacred to God. He doesn’t weigh life.
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See if you can hear “death penalty” AND pro-life in these three consecutive verses of God’s Word:
Gen 9:5 For your lifeblood I will surely require a reckoning; of every beast I will require it and of man; of every man’s brother I will require the life of man.
Gen 9:6 Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed; for God made man in his own image.
Gen 9:7 And you, be fruitful and multiply, bring forth abundantly on the earth and multiply in it."
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You need to read - carefully - what IS taught, exactly, in the revised Catechism.

Concerning abortion:
2271 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law:
> You shall not kill the embryo by abortion and shall not cause the newborn to perish.<Didache 2, 2: SCh 248, 148; cf. Ep. Barnabae 19, 5: PG 2, 777; Ad Diognetum 5, 6: PG 2, 1173; Tertullian, Apol. 9: PL 1, 319-320>
God, the Lord of life, has entrusted to men the noble mission of safeguarding life, and men must carry it out in a manner worthy of themselves. Life must be protected with the utmost care from the moment of conception: abortion and infanticide are abominable crimes.<GS 51 # 3>
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Concerning the Death Penalty:
According to the Vatican translation, the new paragraph 2267, “The death penalty,” now reads:
2267. Recourse to the death penalty on the part of legitimate authority, following a fair trial, was long considered an appropriate response to the gravity of certain crimes and an acceptable, albeit extreme, means of safeguarding the common good.
Today, however, there is an increasing awareness that the dignity of the person is not lost even after the commission of very serious crimes. In addition, a new understanding has emerged of the significance of penal sanctions imposed by the state. Lastly, more effective systems of detention have been developed, which ensure the due protection of citizens but, at the same time, do not definitively deprive the guilty of the possibility of redemption.
Consequently, the Church teaches, in the light of the Gospel, that “the death penalty is inadmissible because it is an attack on the inviolability and dignity of the person”,[1] and she works with determination for its abolition worldwide.
[1] Francis, Address to Participants in the Meeting organized by the Pontifical Council for the Promotion of the New Evangelization, 11 October 2017: L’Osservatore Romano, 13 October 2017, 5.
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See if you cannot discern a radical difference in the weights of these two teachings.
The first is a definitive and timeless Command, of grave weight.
The second, a judgment of recently changing attitudes supposedly true in some modern societies having (theoretically) secure escape-proof and corruption-free prisons. It states a goal to be worked for.

This (second) personal judgment (that presumes very dubious facts supposedly present in SOME countries) ought NOT be included in a UNIVERSAL Catechism. Even if the conditions for the judgment were true somewhere in the world, they are certainly NOT true universally!
 
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puer.dei said:
Not because He shunned them as somehow “unworthy.”
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Jesus was clear, strong and direct when He spoke with disciples who needed correction - such as Peter, our first Pope:
Mt 16:22 And Peter took him and began to rebuke him, saying, “God forbid, Lord! This shall never happen to you.”
Mt 16:23 But he turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a hindrance to me; for you are not on the side of God, but of men."
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This has happened in the Church today - Catholics siding with men and the reasonings and wishes of men, and not God and the commanded will of God.
 
fide said:
See if you can hear “death penalty” AND pro-life in these three consecutive verses of God’s Word:
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My point exactly. It’s GOD’S prerogative. Not YOURS or MINE. And the teaching of the Church is that there is no business for it.
 
fide said:
This (second) personal judgment (that presumes very dubious facts supposedly present in SOME countries) ought NOT be included in a UNIVERSAL Catechism.
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So you know better than the Magisterium?
 
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This has happened in the Church today - Catholics siding with men and the reasonings and wishes of men, and not God and the commanded will of God
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He also had strong words for those who strained at a gnat and swallowed a camel.
 
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Julius_Caesar:
My point exactly. It’s GOD’S prerogative. Not YOURS or MINE. And the teaching of the Church is that there is no business for it.
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Do you understand what the Church is?
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Do YOU? (10)
 
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