Federal judge enjoins separation of migrant children

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Pup7 said:
Where would you propose (a) to put this housing, and (b) how to pay for it? Not to mention how would you staff it, how would you guard it, and where will the money and manpower come from to do this?
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If Trump can finance a boarder wall using government funds, why can’t he find a way to finance special housing and its staff for families seeking asylum? It’s ludicrous!
 
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Again you clearly have no idea of how budgets work, either.

It’s not ludicrous. Project funding under Federal contract works differently than suddenly being able to do the sort of thing you’re describing.

You’re applying emotion. Not logic.
 
HolySpirit said:
Are you saying that you are in this country illegally?
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What is I am here illegally? Or maybe I was born here. Either way, my real home is heavenly, where Christ, the Blessed Virgin Mary, and the Saints are!
 
Please explain then why Trump so easily financed the boarder wall using government funds? Housing asylum seeking families would be a drop in the bucket in comparison. Yes, it may take a little time, but Trump should have sought to work this into the budget a long time ago if he had a true, heartfelt love for such families.
 
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Now that is really over the top. Can we tone down the emotional meltdown a bit?

Killing a child is not now, never has been and never will be like removing a child from the parent.

And guess what? This goes on every day in the US when a citizen parent is arrested on serious charges; they child is either placed with a relative or with children’s service division.

But no one is taking to the streets over them.
 
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They are more than welcome, if here illegally, to go - back from whence they came; and some are now voluntarily doing so.
 
Ecclesiastes said:
Please explain then why Trump so easily financed the boarder wall using government funds? Housing asylum seeking families would be a drop in the bucket in comparison. Yes, it may take a little time, but Trump should have sought to work this into the budget a long time ago if he had a true, heartfelt love for such families.
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Because the contract hasn’t been paid out.

Federal contracts aren’t paid out in a lump sum. They’re awarded and then paid out over time. X amount over X years. That’s why there are jokes about how long it takes to complete a Federal project: completing it early doesn’t get the agency paid any faster. So just because construction may have started, it’s nowhere near paid for, and won’t be for years.

Also, he hasn’t built the border wall as of yet.

It’s also pretty impossible to sit down in September of 2017, as the previous fiscal year ends, and predict an immigration crisis in May-June of 2018 that may cost billions before it’s over. They’re not omniscient, as much as most of Congress might think they are. They do figure in a cushion to the budget, but they can’t just blow it on the first thing that comes along.

The Feds can actually run out of money, Ecclesiastes. They have to plan and think ahead to run and fund the country just like we do to manage our household finances. Except the USA is a pretty big household.
Ecclesiastes said:
Yes, it may take a little time, but Trump should have sought to work this into the budget a long time ago if he had a true, heartfelt love for such families.
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You have absolutely no grasp of the magnitude of the problem - or of the expense involved. You’ve taken nothing I’ve said into account - or you have, and are choosing to ignore it.

People generally do that when they realize they have no response.
 
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otjm said:
And guess what? This goes on every day in the US when a citizen parent is arrested on serious charges; they child is either placed with a relative or with children’s service division.

But no one is taking to the streets over them.
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Exactly.

Never mind the rights and welfare of the American citizen. They clearly take a back seat to those of people who shouldn’t be here in the first place.
 
You’re true colors are showing! What part of love your neighbor as yourself don’t you understand?

2241 The more prosperous nations are obliged, to the extent they are able, to welcome the foreigner in search of the security and the means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin. Public authorities should see to it that the natural right is respected that places a guest under the protection of those who receive him.
–The Catechism of the Catholic Church

Are you Catholic? If so, do you follow its teachings?
 
Did you check my profile?

Yes, I"m Catholic.Yes, I follow Catholic teaching. And I also exercise intelligence and logic in my decision making.

I have no hidden colors. I’m pretty straighforward.

I know how Federal contracts work, I know a bit about immigration having emigrated a spouse here, and I’m 100% against illegal immigration.

The US has a right to protect her borders, and she has laws she must follow.

Welcoming the foreigner does not mean “turn a blind eye to illegal immigration and give everyone automatically the same rights and privileges as American citizens and legal immigrants”. Or “put privileges within reach of illegals that we have thousands of vetted applicants waiting in line to receive”.

That passage also doesn’t say “and put illegal immigrants above all others, including natural born citizens”.

I’m an American citizen married to a legal alien. You better believe I’m against illegal immigration and don’t believe our own citizens and legal residents should take a back seat to people who aren’t.

You’ve got some nerve attacking my religious stance, and need to back off a bit in that regard. Disagreeing doesn’t make me a bad Catholic.

Do you think that the children of single mothers who commit crimes should be incarcerated with their parent because splitting up families for any reason is just wrong?

Do you have any reasonable and well-thought out suggestions for actually doing something about the issue, or are you just here to Monday night quarterback from the relative wealth of your living room behind your computer/tablet/smartphone?
 
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I’m glad that the children are being reunited with their parents, that has to be so traumatizing to them. I know that kids are separated from their parents anytime a parent is arrested but in those cases they don’t go to shelters like this. Unfortunately though, there will still be a need for the shelters as 40% of the kids were unaccompanied to start with. Personally I think there should be a law that if you send your child on such a dangerous journey alone, you should be barred from ever entering the US.

But back on topic of the separated kids, I think the most loving thing we could do for them is to verify through DNA testing that these people really ARE the parents! Under catch and release, so many kids ended up trafficked or abandoned due to nobody verifying a familial link. I’m not sure if all of these people screaming open borders have thought that through…
 
Gingersnaps4 said:
I know that kids are separated from their parents anytime a parent is arrested but in those cases they don’t go to shelters like this.
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That is true, however, we have a system to handle that situation. CPS steps in and either places the child in foster care or with another relative.

Most of the children in question can’t even be identified because they have no documentation proving who they are.

All of this stuff is just one more piece in this puzzle that DHS and Immigration are having to handle and consider. It’s part of why the problem is so complex and has no easy fix.
 
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How is it that our government can obtain emergency money for victims of unforeseeable natural disasters but not for the need of emergency money to provide special housing to the victimized families seeking asylum?
 
How many immigrants should be allowed into the US to be in accord with the CCC?
 
Did you read what I typed about budget cushions and managing a budget?

We have Federal funding set aside for that. We also have an emergency cushion, just like every other responsible homeowner. We can’t just spend every dime we have on the first crisis we encounter because we have no clue what could happen in a month.
Ecclesiastes said:
How many immigrants should be allowed into the US to be in accord with the CCC?
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As many as should be legally allowed. As many as the US can responsibly handle.

The rights and needs of legal citizens and LPRs should never be compromised in the name of illegal immigration. That’s unjust to those persons. The rights of those attempting to enter legally also shouldn’t be compromised in the name of illegal immigration. Equally unjust.

I hope you’re as upset for the citizens of Puerto Rico - who could really use some more Federal assistance - as you are about this issue. Or for the kids in Flint, Michigan.
 
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It’s a slap in the face to those who came here legally to allow illegal immigrants to stay without going through the process to become legal citizens.
 
Ecclesiastes said:
You’re true colors are showing! What part of love your neighbor as yourself don’t you understand?
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Wanted to add that I indeed understand the call to love my neighbor as myself. But nowhere does it say I’m expected to compromise the health and well being of my own family to do it. I’m allowed to feed my own kids first before giving anything away to someone with less than we have. I’m allowed to clothe my kids in winter coats before I’m expected to help someone less fortunate than us without coats.

And the USA is no different in that regard.
 
“I love this land and the buffalo and will not part with it. I want you to understand well what I say. Write it on paper…I hear a great deal of good talk from the gentlemen the Great Father sends us, but they never do what they say. I don’t want any of the medicine lodges (schools and churches) within the country. I want the children raised as I was.” – Satanta, Kiowa Chief
 
Pup7 said:
How quickly do you believe that can be arranged? How would you pay for transport of all of these people to that location? And would you tell the rest of the world to ante up and remember all the times we’ve bailed them out - because everyone else has, as they tend to do, stepped back with jazz hands.
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They aren’t short term solutions but I do think that plans to implement them should be in the works. I believe you are the one that has said this is nothing new.

Short term is catch and release with tagging a possbiilty?
 
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