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MagdalenaRita
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Mary is the role model of feminism?
No.
Did you mean feminine or femininity? There is a big difference between these and feminism.
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No.
Did you mean feminine or femininity? There is a big difference between these and feminism.
Women who work feel guilty for not being home and anti feminism women like me are made to feel guilty for not working.
My family comes first. Not a inground pool or trip to Asia or another far away place and I’ve heard this now for 24 years at tennis when a mom shows up after work during last set.
My family comes first. Not a inground pool or trip to Asia or another far away place and I’ve heard this now for 24 years at tennis when a mom shows up after work during last set.
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Lea101
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It’s worth mentioning that mainstream feminism’s attitude towards SAHMs are a lot more positive today than in the past. Right now we are seeing more of “choice feminism” than anything else (I.e. If you choose something yourself, then great!), which is problematic in certain areas like sex, but in this case of working/not working…it seems to be aligned with Catholic teaching for the most part.
I suspect many people assume attitudes didn’t change because their minds are still in the past where SAHMs were put down (but to be fair, so were working moms) which I guess is odd, because many current public figures, and feminists who vote left wing have mostly said positive things (assuming that they’re talking about women who freely chose to be one and isn’t smart about other women).
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RolandThompsonGunner
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It’s okay. I’m sure you meant no harm. We’re cool.
(I’m always amazed when people make a misstep on the Internet and then genuinely and sincerely apologize.
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Mardymar
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I don’t want to antagonize anyone, but I just want to let you know that almost everyone has a different definition of the word ‘feminism’. Especially online and especially across relatively small regions. I started this post not knowing if there was an ‘official’ stance on parts of this topic from the Vatican. I realized that the Catholic church spreads around the globe and there would be a lot of differences and disagreements among the general population, especially concerning matters the Vatican never addressed or addressed in an unofficial manner.
A brief note on me. I never heard the word ‘feminism’ growing up. I heard in history and passing, of course, but it was just never a word or a topic that we addressed. It wasn’t until a moved into an area that, culturally, was on the polar opposite of where I came from that I started hearing conversations about it. Where I’m from, no one cares if a woman decides to work or say at home with her family. They also don’t care if a man chooses to either of those. They don’t care if someone chooses to dress as sexy as they can or show up in a lumberjack outfit. If the dishwasher is full, whoever is closest and has the time can empty it. Or you can do it together. Or not. Whatever. I’m a somewhat small guy, so when there is some heavy lifting stronger people will usually help me with it. But if I was able to easily do it myself, they didn’t. Unless they just felt like helping someone out. But situations like that rarely even came up. And there was no difference with the girls. If there is a stronger girl next to me and I am struggling lifting a limb or something, she would will help me with it.
My culture shock came when, after college, I moved to Korea. It was completely different. People were expected to do different things just because of their gender. Women who wore jeans and tennis shoes were constantly told that they should dress better. Women who dressed even semi-sexily constantly got oggled and hit on and, when the girls refused an advance, the men got angry. I was constantly told who I should be or what I should do to ‘get a girl’, and being made to feel like who I am isn’t good enough. The American and British women started talking about feminism, which is the first time I heard it used in a social context.
So, for me, that is the intended feeling behind the spirit of the word. The word itself is extremely politicized and has lost all meaning.
A brief note on me. I never heard the word ‘feminism’ growing up. I heard in history and passing, of course, but it was just never a word or a topic that we addressed. It wasn’t until a moved into an area that, culturally, was on the polar opposite of where I came from that I started hearing conversations about it. Where I’m from, no one cares if a woman decides to work or say at home with her family. They also don’t care if a man chooses to either of those. They don’t care if someone chooses to dress as sexy as they can or show up in a lumberjack outfit. If the dishwasher is full, whoever is closest and has the time can empty it. Or you can do it together. Or not. Whatever. I’m a somewhat small guy, so when there is some heavy lifting stronger people will usually help me with it. But if I was able to easily do it myself, they didn’t. Unless they just felt like helping someone out. But situations like that rarely even came up. And there was no difference with the girls. If there is a stronger girl next to me and I am struggling lifting a limb or something, she would will help me with it.
My culture shock came when, after college, I moved to Korea. It was completely different. People were expected to do different things just because of their gender. Women who wore jeans and tennis shoes were constantly told that they should dress better. Women who dressed even semi-sexily constantly got oggled and hit on and, when the girls refused an advance, the men got angry. I was constantly told who I should be or what I should do to ‘get a girl’, and being made to feel like who I am isn’t good enough. The American and British women started talking about feminism, which is the first time I heard it used in a social context.
So, for me, that is the intended feeling behind the spirit of the word. The word itself is extremely politicized and has lost all meaning.
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CathoRick
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As your first respondant said, refer to Holy Scripture and the lives of the Saints to get a better idea of gender roles in the Church. Catholics in the West are bitterly split on the issue, so (as you’ve already noticed) any answers you receive will likely leave something to be desired.
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Anesti33
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Since a woman is biologically suited to bear and raise children, she is the natural choice for staying at home, at least while the children are young. It is incredibly inconvenient for a pregnant woman to suddeny cease work because she is giving birth, and it is disruptive for a breast-feeding woman to be at a job, away from the children she cares for.
Since it makes sense for the woman to stay home in this regard, it also makes sense for the man to have the freedom to go out of the home and be the breadwinner. (He doesn’t have to; he could run a small business or work from home, in this era of COVID-19.)
This situation could be renegotiated after all children are weaned. Perhaps the man wants to take over primary caregiving activities while they are school age. Perhaps he wants to be the homeschooling teacher. The wife could pursue career opportunities with the promise of a stable home life under the husband at that point. It could work very well.
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Sarcelle
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Like you?
Forgive me, but are you putting yourself as the benchmark or the standard by which all other women are measured against?
I don’t mean to offend. I used to do that actually but then I realized that people are individuals. Individual women have their own versions of femininity just like all flowers are still flowers but are different.
A sunflower is no less of a flower just because it isn’t a rose.
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mary77
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feminism today is not what the feminist movement was years ago. Todays feminism is an organized manipulation of women to use them for fetal research cells which succeeded in legalized abortions for 40 yrs by setting the women against men and being told to compete with men sexually by promoting sexual liberation. Mother Mary is the absolute role model for womanhood.
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MagdalenaRita
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I agree. I am not a feminist and I think this motivation you mention is very evil. I do believe though that the feminist movement for years has had evil motivations in its background going as far back as Coco Chanel in the 1920’s and before.
This book tells a lot about the evil history of feminism and it’s motivations.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01E82WO8G/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1
I completely agree with this. I probably misunderstood your post to say that she was the role model of feminism.
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DeniseNY
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Coco Chanel came from a destitute background and she lost her mother at age 11. She was sent to an orphanage and had no choice but to make her own way in the world.
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MagdalenaRita
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Making one’s own way in the world has nothing to do with feminism. I know many women who had to make their own way in the world and who had jobs and worked out of the home, ran businesses and were not feminists.
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DeniseNY
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What is your definition of feminist then?
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christianchannel
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women should be sweet, femenine and obedient like The Virgin Mary was obedient
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MagdalenaRita
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Notice what mary77 said feminism is. It is about setting women against men, freedom from family responsibilities which is where abortion comes in and as the video shows has been a motivation for a long time, so called “women’s healthcare”. It is also about power, which is why you see many women telling RBG to “rest in power”.
Women have had jobs long before feminism came a long. It isn’t about working. That is just a smoke screen.
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