Feminism is infiltrating every aspect of society

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Liberalsaved:
It’s not immoral. But like it or not, times change. Ideas change. Just because one group chooses to adhere to the words of a book that is 2,000 years old does NOT mean everyone should. Or has to. Therefore, you have to accept that idea change and that always remaining the same is not the way this country functions. Or this world.
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You don’t have to do anything, but you cannot both do something and not do it at the same time. Being a Christian means at least paying very close attention to that very old book. If you are free to not do that, but you are not free to not do that and claim to be a Christian at the same time.

Kendy
 
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Liberalsaved:
It’s not immoral. But like it or not, times change. Ideas change. Just because one group chooses to adhere to the words of a book that is 2,000 years old does NOT mean everyone should. Or has to. Therefore, you have to accept that idea change and that always remaining the same is not the way this country functions. Or this world.
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Truth does not change. That’s the ultimate issue with being Catholic, or being a member of whatever religious folkway that believes in absolutes. As a Catholic I believe that truth is not immutable.
 
The root of feminism is that philosophy which has exaltated the place of career in the life of the individual to a point above that which is proper. This philosophy (as I’ve said many times before in this thread) first plagued men. Jobs took primacy over the vocation of fatherhood. In seeking equality, the feminists sought sameness. They adopted this destructive philosphy and consequentally relegated their roles as mothers to the side in hopes of achieving power, wealth, esteem, and recognition…a greedy and self-centered form of idolatry. BTW, I am NOT attacking women! I am attacking feminism. Most women that I know do not espouse the feminist philosophy even though prominent feminists claim to speak for all women (kind of like how the NAACP claims to speak for all colored people). You see, in the natural role of the father, working is intrinsic. It has been there since the very beginning. Working is a part of the vocation of fatherhood whereas childrearing and caregiving are innate to the vocation of motherhood. Adam’s punishment was to work and Eve’s was labor pain. Men and women are predisposed physically, emotionally, mentally, and spiritually to fill these roles. The problem with feminism is that it attacks these natural roles and claims them to be “unequal” when they’re really complementary. It’s no wonder why feminists are usually so angry. They hate what God made them for and seek their own wills rather than His.
 
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JSmitty2005:
The root of feminism is that philosophy which has exaltated the place of career in the life of the individual to a point above that which is proper. This philosophy (as I’ve said many times before in this thread) first plagued men. Jobs took primacy over the vocation of fatherhood. In seeking equality, the feminists sought sameness. They adopted this destructive philosphy and consequentally relegated their roles as mothers to the side in hopes of achieving power, wealth, esteem, and recognition…a greedy and self-centered form of idolatry. BTW, I am NOT attacking women! I am attacking feminism. Most women that I know do not espouse the feminist philosophy even though prominent feminists claim to speak for all women (kind of like how the NAACP claims to speak for all colored people). You see, in the natural role of the father, working is intrinsic. It has been there since the very beginning. Working is a part of the vocation of fatherhood whereas childrearing and caregiving are innate to the vocation of motherhood. Adam’s punishment was to work and Eve’s was labor pain. Men and women are predisposed physically, emotionally, mentally, and spiritually to fill these roles. The problem with feminism is that it attacks these natural roles and claims them to be “unequal” when they’re really complementary. It’s no wonder why feminists are usually so angry. They hate what God made them for and seek their own wills rather than His.
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Working mothers? Once you get done vomiting, do you have a rebuttal? 😃
 
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mikew262:
Working mothers? Once you get done vomiting, do you have a rebuttal? 😃
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A rebuttal to what? Working moms? I’ve said that sometimes it’s necessary but should be avoided if at all possible about a hundred thousand times in this thread. Am I missing something you posted earlier that you’re referring to?
 
I can see why some would be offended by the preference I express for SAHMs because they had working mothers and feel that they did a good job of mothering them, yadda, yadda, yadda. However, the opposite is also true. To say that a woman can be “just as good of a mother” while working as she could be while staying at home is offensive to people like me. I firmly believe that my mother did not stay home in vain and that her doing so was to my (and my sibling’s) benefit. I don’t see how anyone could ever prefer to have their children raised in a daycare.
 
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JSmitty2005:
A rebuttal to what? Working moms? I’ve said that sometimes it’s necessary but should be avoided if at all possible about a hundred thousand times in this thread. Am I missing something you posted earlier that you’re referring to?
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Numerous times in this thread, working moms have rebutted what you said. Just curious, if they would rebutt this latest post by you.
 
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mikew262:
Numerous times in this thread, working moms have rebutted what you said. Just curious, if they would rebutt this latest post by you.
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Actually, many of those supporting the “working mom position” are not, in fact, mothers yet.
 
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mikew262:
Numerous times in this thread, working moms have rebutted what you said. Just curious, if they would rebutt this latest post by you.
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I see. Well, feminists make me want to vomit too. Read what Alice von Hildebrand has to say about feminism in her book The Privilege of Being a Woman sometime. In the meantime, however, read this:

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JSmitty,

As I asked above, what is immoral about first-wave feminism? ***Those feminists were pro-life. ***They just wanted the vote. And again, what if I have a dual calling? Is it not of God?

My mom was a SAHM while she raised my brothers and I. I love her dearly, but she tended to focus solely on my minute physical needs. I was never close emotionally with her. I long with all my heart to, but it is not to be.

Now, I’m sure there are children of SAHMs who feel very close to their mothers, but this is not my experience.

Life experiences are individual, JSmitty. Acknowledging this does not take away from universal Truth.
 
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Irene:
JSmitty,

As I asked above, what is immoral about first-wave feminism? ***Those feminists were pro-life. ***They just wanted the vote. And again, what if I have a dual calling? Is it not of God?

My mom was a SAHM while she raised my brothers and I. I love her dearly, but she tended to focus solely on my minute physical needs. I was never close emotionally with her. I long with all my heart to, but it is not to be.

Now, I’m sure there are children of SAHMs who feel very close to their mothers, but this is not my experience.

Life experiences are individual, JSmitty. Acknowledging this does not take away from universal Truth.
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The first wave of feminsim was not about mere voting rights. It was about getting women out of the house and into the work place. It was also about contraception which is the root of the Culture of Death. As for your supposed “dual-calling.” I don’t buy it. There are people that feel as though they’re called to live a homosexual lifestyle, there are women that allegedly feel the call to the priesthood, and there are men that wrestle between marriage and the priesthood. We all know that these are illegitimate “callings” and are cases in which one pits their will against God’s, their desires against their true needs or the needs of others. I’m not saying this is your case, but why would you not just stay home with your children, if possible, until they are of a reasonable age? I don’t see what’s so hard about that? The Christian life is a sacrifice. People tend to forget that. I’m personally not very close with my mother either, but that’s not a problem. She was my mother, not my friend. That’s the way it’s supposed to be. Furthermore, with regard to experience, I’d rather stand by the 2000 year experience and Christian consensus of the traditional family structure than a handful of liberals.
 
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JSmitty2005:
The root of feminism is that philosophy which has exaltated the place of career in the life of the individual to a point above that which is proper. This philosophy (as I’ve said many times before in this thread) first plagued men. Jobs took primacy over the vocation of fatherhood. In seeking equality, the feminists sought sameness. They adopted this destructive philosphy and consequentally relegated their roles as mothers to the side in hopes of achieving power, wealth, esteem, and recognition…a greedy and self-centered form of idolatry. BTW, I am NOT attacking women! I am attacking feminism. Most women that I know do not espouse the feminist philosophy even though prominent feminists claim to speak for all women (kind of like how the NAACP claims to speak for all colored people). You see, in the natural role of the father, working is intrinsic. It has been there since the very beginning. Working is a part of the vocation of fatherhood whereas childrearing and caregiving are innate to the vocation of motherhood. Adam’s punishment was to work and Eve’s was labor pain. Men and women are predisposed physically, emotionally, mentally, and spiritually to fill these roles. The problem with feminism is that it attacks these natural roles and claims them to be “unequal” when they’re really complementary. It’s no wonder why feminists are usually so angry. They hate what God made them for and seek their own wills rather than His.
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I don’t hate being a woman.
 
I plan on waiting until my future children are of school age. Those first years are precious, and they need you physically every minute.

And I don’t mean to imply that my mom is/was like some sort of lax person who gave me beer or something. I mean that she didn’t teach me basic emotional skills, which I am now willingly learning on my own. Of course, I am a girl, and even I admit that, as you say, women have different natures than men. Where is this different nature to be formed? By a girl’s mother. My mother, bless her, was more concerned about whether I was always literally walking with my heels on the ground!! Only now that I am older do I understand that this *influenced *my scrupulousity.

Although I believe strongly that I have a duty to my future children, I firmly belief as well that it includes avoiding this mistake.
 
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JSmitty2005:
The first wave of feminsim was not about mere voting rights. It was about getting women out of the house and into the work place. It was also about contraception which is the root of the Culture of Death. As for your supposed “dual-calling.” I don’t buy it. There are people that feel as though they’re called to live a homosexual lifestyle, there are women that allegedly feel the call to the priesthood, and there are men that wrestle between marriage and the priesthood. We all know that these are illegitimate “callings” and are cases in which one pits their will against God’s, their desires against their true needs or the needs of others. I’m not saying this is your case, but why would you not just stay home with your children, if possible, until they are of a reasonable age? I don’t see what’s so hard about that? The Christian life is a sacrifice. People tend to forget that. I’m personally not very close with my mother either, but that’s not a problem. She was my mother, not my friend. That’s the way it’s supposed to be. Furthermore, with regard to experience, I’d rather stand by the 2000 year experience and Christian consensus of the traditional family structure than a handful of liberals.
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So, the suffragests were not fighting for the right to vote?

Kendy
 
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Kendy:
So, the suffragests were not fighting for the right to vote?

Kendy
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Of course they were, but the feminist movement was about much more than that. If it weren’t then it would have ended with the 19th amendment.
 
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JSmitty2005:
The root of feminism is that philosophy which has exaltated the place of career in the life of the individual to a point above that which is proper. This philosophy (as I’ve said many times before in this thread) first plagued men. Jobs took primacy over the vocation of fatherhood. In seeking equality, the feminists sought sameness. They adopted this destructive philosphy and consequentally relegated their roles as mothers to the side in hopes of achieving power, wealth, esteem, and recognition…a greedy and self-centered form of idolatry. BTW, I am NOT attacking women! I am attacking feminism.

a) what is wrong with women seeking sameness to men. We have rights too you know.

b)from the absolute beginning of this thread, i cannot actually see what you find wrong with feminism. do you believe that women are not equal to men. whether SAHM’s or working mums, single, engaged or anything, women have the same rights at men. i personally find it disgusting that you feel that men are the dominant gender.

c)i reccomend that you go and plunge your head into the sand, and that way, you can more thoruogly ignore the fact that women are equal to men, and live in your fantasy world where women are ALL SAHM’s, and ALL do what you want them to do. being as this is how i concieve your fanasy world, i still find it very hard to believe that you are getting married, let alone have a girlfriend.
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JSmitty2005:
The first wave of feminsim was not about mere voting rights. It was about getting women out of the house and into the work place. It was also about contraception which is the root of the Culture of Death.

What da heck is wrong with contraception?!?!?!?
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