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Wammy101, I really appreciate you posting here because you have proven my point to the T. Thank you.
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JSmitty2005
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Wammy, I am sorry, but you are not Catholic. You have explicitly supported abortion and contraception, two evils which all Catholics are **required ** to reject. BTW, please learn to use the quote function correctly. 
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Wammy, there’s a difference between being of equal worth, and being the same (that is, identical).
Smitty is talking about this ridiculous aspect of feminism that asserts that women and men do not have distinct traits and abilitites. He’s talking about the (all-too-common, in education circles) stark-staring crazy, self-centered feminism that insists that if we really offered equal rights and equal opportunity, then women would constitute half of congress, half our police, firefighters, etc., etc., and that half of our stay-at-home parents would be men.
There’s zero evidence for this “sex-roles-as-social-constructs,” whether we look to nature or history of human societies. It’s not science–it’s ideology. It’s a selfish and materialistic view, because it’s all about valuing power, prestige, and money as true measures of dignity and worth.
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john ennis:
That pretty much sums it up.
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john ennis:
Because of this conflation that feminists seek between the sexes - to make masculinity and femininity indistinguishable - there is then no difference (to them) between fathers and mothers. So how, then, can they stand against homosexual “marriage”? They can’t and they don’t. Because if male=female and man=woman then father=mother and therefore a family can legitimately have 2 mothers or 2 fathers without it being a problem. The roles of fatherhood and motherhood are interchangeable. At least that’s how they see it. In fact, feminists are very supportive of the homosexual agenda. Considering this, if you read my essay on feminism, it will not come as a surprise to you that “maybe half” of NOW’s members are lesbians.
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Kendy
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Why are you catholic? Why are you pro-choice.
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Kendy
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She has done no such thing. She is confirmed your preconceived notions of her, and you have confirmed her preconceived notion of you. There’s no victory here.
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JSmitty2005
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You’ve got to be kidding me. As I’ve said before, feminists believe that men and women are the same and that any differences between the sexes (other than biological ones) have been imposed on us by our repressive society. She believes it, proving my point. Consequently, she sees no problem with contraception which allows women to have promiscuous sex…something that previously only men could do. Furthermore, she supports abortion because it allows women to be unpregnant, just like men. Support of these evils are the natural, logical conclusions to the feminist ideology. She is consistent. Proving my point once again. She is also awfully ignorant or is quite good at selective reading. She believes that I don’t believe that women have rights, aren’t equal to men, and that “men are the dominant gender.” She then recommends that I “plunge [my] head into the sand, and that way, * can more thoruogly ignore the fact that women are equal to men, and live in [my] fantasy world.” Kendy, you know as well as anyone else that has actually followed this thread in its entirety that I don’t believe those things. Finally, she has the gall to say that she finds it “very hard to believe that * getting married, let alone have a girlfriend” as if the beliefs I hold are anti-woman and that were a women to agree with me (actually I’m agreeing with women because that’s where I get most of my beliefs) she would be considered, in her eyes, to be a traitor to her gender or a slave to the oppressive male patriarchy.**
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john ennis:
I think all feminist would agree that women have been excluded from participation in public life and that efforts should be made to mitigate that. I think most feminist would agree women who WANT to be police officers, provided they are competent, should not be discriminated against. Furthermore, I think feminist would agree that women having public roles, like Condi Rice, or Chile electing its first female president is progress. I certainly was happy about it. However, certainly many feminists are stay-at home moms. I, in fact, know one. Lastly, I think whjat most feminist resent are these cookie-cutter suffocating boxes that some people want to put women in.
I read this article a while ago, which was by the way written by a very conservative group against gay marriage so there was no tinge liberal bias there. But anyway, this article found that at some point of their lives 25% of women had which they were male (usually when they were children). And while I never felt that way, I understand. There’s certainly a lot more freedom and privilege in being a man in society. I certainly resented all the “girls are supposed to be X,Y, and Z” that my mother tried to impose on me my whole life. I didn’t want to be man; I just wanted to be myself. So, another thing that all feminists would probably would agree on is that it’s tragic that a quarter of women have at some point resented being female. I think you would to.
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Feminist, whether in the academy or not, do not agree on many of the issues that you have brought up. Difference feminism is an equally prominent part of feminist discourse.
I think all feminist would agree that women have been excluded from participation in public life and that efforts should be made to mitigate that. I think most feminist would agree women who WANT to be police officers, provided they are competent, should not be discriminated against. Furthermore, I think feminist would agree that women having public roles, like Condi Rice, or Chile electing its first female president is progress. I certainly was happy about it. However, certainly many feminists are stay-at home moms. I, in fact, know one. Lastly, I think whjat most feminist resent are these cookie-cutter suffocating boxes that some people want to put women in.
I read this article a while ago, which was by the way written by a very conservative group against gay marriage so there was no tinge liberal bias there. But anyway, this article found that at some point of their lives 25% of women had which they were male (usually when they were children). And while I never felt that way, I understand. There’s certainly a lot more freedom and privilege in being a man in society. I certainly resented all the “girls are supposed to be X,Y, and Z” that my mother tried to impose on me my whole life. I didn’t want to be man; I just wanted to be myself. So, another thing that all feminists would probably would agree on is that it’s tragic that a quarter of women have at some point resented being female. I think you would to.
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It’s a shame that you feel that way, but I don’t think that you fear me because you’re a woman. You fear me because you’re a feminist. Woman and feminist are not synonyms.
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Not to be crude, but I took a shower this morning, and I assure you, I am a woman.
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Contarini
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It doesn’t say “what others have done or failed to do.”
Lent is nearly over (I guess by some ways of reckoning we’ve just got a few hours left). Suppose we all focus just for a brief while on our own sins instead of those of others?
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JSmitty2005
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I am aware that not all women that claim to be feminists have accepted the entire feminist gospel bait, line, and sinker. They have maintained some traditional truths while turning to their feminist ideals in other things. Radical feminists would consider them to be heretics. Correlatively to the way Catholics view Protestants, these half-feminists would be seen as having only a part of the feminist truth. As for lesbian women believing that motherhood is essential to femininity, I can’t see how anyone can take them seriously since they have refused the natural way of becoming a mother!
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JSmitty2005
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You’re missing my point. I was saying that if I had failed to do that that I would be committing a sin.
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JSmitty2005
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I forgot about this one which proves my point further. Support of homosexuality is explicit. Wammy101, I’m sorry, but you’ve accused me of having a head “full of air.” It seems to me that your mind is so open (which somehow has become a virtue in our world) that your brain has fallen out.dear every one who reads this. i think women are equal to men. i also think that smittys head is full of air. further more i take personal offence to people who are agaianst homosexuals. i myself am not one, but God gave me a mind, and i intend to keep it open. if things keep goin like this, jsmitty will soon be telling us that abortion is wrong. i am catholic. i bleieve in God. i, co-incidentally am PRO-CHOICE. i hope others can be to.
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JSmitty2005
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I’m not denying your womanhood. I am, however, denying that your womanhood is the root of your fear of me. There are many women that think along the same lines as myself. It is my threat to your feminist ideology that has made you fearful.Not to be crude, but I took a shower this morning, and I assure you, I am a woman.
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I was just being silly
.BTW, please respond to my post to John Ennis. I am particularly curious to hear your response to the study that 25% of women have wished they were male at some point in their life. By the way, only 6% of men had ever wished they were female.
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You know there is a middle ground between the two of you.
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You are missing my point. There is no single feminist gospel. There are gospels. There are camps. Difference feminists are no less prominent in the discourse than equality feminists.
As for the lesbians, since I don’t share their views, it would be inappropriate for to speak for them. But in short, they like wombs because it’s womanly and generally, they don’t like men.
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