Feminism is infiltrating every aspect of society

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JMJ Theresa:
Thanks Kendy, I appreciate that. When I read your posts, I appreciate your honesty and intelligent arguments.

I don’t know if this will be your experience, but in my young adulthood, I had similar views that you have espoused. Only after studying the Church’s teachings (most JP II) and livin’ it, have I come to value the vocation of motherhood lived in the home. It was a real struggle for me.

I hope all the young women reading this thread will take time to read Familiaris Consortio and On the Dignity of Woman by JP II so that they will be well formed in this theology as they start their families.
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I have already read both:).
 
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mikew262:
Providing a good living and upbringing for your children, and showing your children that you can be whatever you want to be and not be harnessed by stereotypes (woman’s place is in the home), as well as, still be a good mother is what many feel is good parenting as well (sorry for the run-on sentence).

There is nothing wrong with a stay-at-home mother, and if that’s your preference, thats fine. However, if a mother chooses to work, for whatever reason, it’s unfair/uncalled for to judge her.
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This will be my last post. I never judge anyone individually. I judge our culture to be deficit in valuing and supporting a Catholic perception of motherhood.

Actually, it is not my preference that is important. It is God’s. If you have children and the means to stay home, you should be very, very prayerful if you discern that you should work instead.
 
JMJ Theresa:
Actually, having a big family also “forces” you to train them.

My mom worked and I was as incompetent as anybody. It takes time to train kids.

I think parent needs to train kids in life skills 🙂
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Yes, I could see how if you had eight kids, it would be hard to baby them. The women I am talking about only had to two kids so it was easy for them to micromanage.

As for traning your kids, it didn’t take my mom that long to train us. Within a couple weeks, we were cooking and cleaning, and ironing. I am now a great cook and my sister is an excellent housekeeper, but it would not have happened if we didn’t go broke, which forced my mother too work.

As for myself, I don’t exactly want to have a large family. I think I compromised on four children after I became catholic 😃 so I know I will be tempted to micromanage their lives if I don’t find some way to keep myself busy.

Kendy
 
JMJ Theresa:
This will be my last post. I never judge anyone individually. I judge our culture to be deficit in valuing and supporting a Catholic perception of motherhood.

Actually, it is not my preference that is important. It is God’s. If you have children and the means to stay home, you should be very, very prayerful if you discern that you should work instead.
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As all people should be on this forum, you’re entitled to your opinion. While I don’t radically disagree with you and you certainly have good intentions, I think you’re a little overly hard on your working mother counterparts.
 
I have been thinking about why this only women who need the money should work rule, and I think I realize why it bothers me so much. This assumes that outside of rearing children (or supporting wives rearing children), work has no value. It ignores the joy of using one’s talent to make the world a better place. It ignores passions for a particular endeavor. It’s almost like saying to a woman, if you love chemistry and you want to produce drugs that heal people, than try to marry a poor man. Or if you’re a English teacher and you can make shakespeare come alive for high school students, than don’t have children or your own.

Work is its own reward. One of the requirements for I have for accepting a job is I must be able to say, I would do this job even if I didn’t need the money. I personally would hate to wake up feeling like I am working for a paycheck (I know that that is the case for many people); I need to know that this is a labor of love. This is a way for me to use my talents and passion to love other people.

I am a unique person. My business ideas are unique and what I bring to the industry that I work for cannot just be replaced by a man. Not to say that no one else can run this business, but no one else will run it like me, with my ideas, and my attitude, and my vision. And those things matter for a lot of people, especially the parents who use my services because they need me to shape the lives of their children.

Kendy
 
I agree the article is not overtly radically feminist, but it does bring to mind the tone of that kind of literature. The more that sex deviates from what we might call conventional, the better. Check out, for example, Planned Parenthood’s official attitude about “proper” sex: the only wrong sex is forced sex. That means homosexual, incestual, multi-partner…you name it.

I think it has to do with their resentment of everything they consider conventional.

Peace.
John
 
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Kendy:
Actually, there is plenty of reseach out there. Last one I read was by the American Psychological Association, which shows that children of working moms are no worst of than those of stay at home moms.
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I wouldn’t consider the APA a neutral, unbiased source. If they’re anything like my psychology books, they’ll also say that homosexuals can raise children without any detrimental effects. :eek:
 
It is a myth that mothers only became “working” mothers in the latter 20th century.

Mothers have always had to work. But, they always had extended families and close social ties to share parenting with. The “Nuclear Family” is a disordered and nearly impossible ideal of modern times.

Like I said above, I am NOT simply a vagina, uterus, childcare provider and domestic. If, by rejecting this psuedo-ideal I will burn, then I will burn.
 
coyote said:
I’ll remember to give this job description next time someone asks me what I do. 😛 😃 :rolleyes:

God Bless you, Coyote. I think you have a distorted view of motherhood, but…there is alot of toil, tedium and self sacrifice.

The most important thing in life is to grow in holiness, to bring glory to God. I’m glad that you have alot of talents to offer to His service. I’m sure that you will find the vocation that causes you to grow in holiness.

In motherhood (fulltime), you learn patience, self sacrifice, servanthood, encouragement, industry, dying to self, humility, kindness, daily dedication to the works of mercy. There are few professions that offer so many opportunities to grow in virtue. Don’t disdain it.

have a good day. 🙂
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JMJ Theresa:
In motherhood (fulltime), you learn patience, self sacrifice, servanthood, encouragement, industry, dying to self, humility, kindness, daily dedication to the works of mercy. There are few professions that offer so many opportunities to grow in virtue.
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I can think of many mothers (SAH or working) who exist none of these qualities. I can also think of many women, who have never given birth who do.

Kendy
 
True the opportunity to develop virtue depends on your response to it. 🙂
 
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JSmitty2005:
I wouldn’t consider the APA a neutral, unbiased source. If they’re anything like my psychology books, they’ll also say that homosexuals can raise children without any detrimental effects. :eek:
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If the APA had supported your position would you still feel the same about them? BTW, the APA is a valid source of info.
 
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mikew262:
If the APA had supported your position would you still feel the same about them? BTW, the APA is a valid source of info.
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JSmitthy can stick to his own bias sources and we to ours. Objectivity is a social construct.

Kendy
 
JMJ Theresa:
The most important thing in life is to grow in holiness, to bring glory to God. I’m glad that you have alot of talents to offer to His service. I’m sure that you will find the vocation that causes you to grow in holiness.

In motherhood (fulltime), you learn patience, self sacrifice, servanthood, encouragement, industry, dying to self, humility, kindness, daily dedication to the works of mercy. There are few professions that offer so many opportunities to grow in virtue. Don’t disdain it.

have a good day. 🙂
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:amen:
 
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JSmitty2005:
I wouldn’t consider the APA a neutral, unbiased source. If they’re anything like my psychology books, they’ll also say that homosexuals can raise children without any detrimental effects. :eek:
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No question about it. The APA changed their description of homosexuality from “disorder” to an orientation some time ago.

Now the “orientation” description, according to the APA, also applies to pedophiles!

Peace.
John
 
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Temperance people, please, on BOTH sides. Radical feminism is obviously wrong and anti-Catholic, but I think there is a corresponding reaction so much to elevate the idea that traditional motherhood is the only possible way that it become vaguely misogynistic, as if working women were an abomination to the Lord or something.

Read what the Holy Father John Paul II (eternal memory!) wrote. He is saying both women who are stay at home mothers, and women who work (indeed all women) have dignity. They are the adopted daughters of God. The loftiest goal of women is motherhood, that does not necessarily mean women who work are defiant.
 
All you stay-at-home moms:

The derision of society is just one more sacrifice you put up with, on top of all the other sacrifices you make.

The type of feminist who simply wants rights and respect for women, will have no problem with what you do. It is only the type of feminist (whether male or female) who considers prestige, money, and power to be true sources of self-worth, who would criticize you.

Peace.
John
 
john ennis:
All you stay-at-home moms:

The derision of society is just one more sacrifice you put up with, on top of all the other sacrifices you make.

The type of feminist who simply wants rights and respect for women, will have no problem with what you do. It is only the type of feminist (whether male or female) who considers prestige, money, and power to be true sources of self-worth, who would criticize you.

Peace.
John
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Agreed!
 
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