Feminism is infiltrating every aspect of society

[mikew262]

Kendy:

I am kidding.

I’m battling a cold, so forgive me, if I’m a little slow on the uptake.

 

[brandy101]

I have been intrigued by some of the posts here. Impressed by many; not surprised (sadly) by a few.

I was raised by a SAHM who, along with my dad, sought to offer my sisters and I the best educational opportunities possible. Private Catholic school for 10 years, then a top-notch University for me, followed by a few years working, graduate school, and then more years in the workforce until, 3 years after I married, I had my daughter and chose to stay home with her. It was my CHOICE to stay home that I discerned based on a number of factors. I hold no animosity toward my peers who work with young children - in fact, many of my friends do so, not for glorification of their egos, but for overall family security (better health insurance, money to save for child’s education, etc.)

I feel having the opportunity to be educated and have experience in the workplace enables me to be able to SHARE my knowledge about God, Jesus, The Spirit, the scriptures, and provide example to her for the many directions her talents and interest can take her : education, careeer, volunteer/philanthropy, parenting, religious life, etc. How can she best glorify God here on earth if she cannot have the chance to discern and develop her talents?

Sadly, there is “work to be done” in terms of providing fair treatement in the workplace for women - and I know this firsthand.

Though savvy and self-assured, I was a "victim " (I hate to use that term) of gender/sexual harrassment in both a graduate school assignment and in the workplace. Luckily, in my grad school situation, I was aided by faculty and staff to make sure the the offending lout was approprately corrected, although the experience shook me to the core.

In the workplace situation, so as to not make waves, I just avoided the creeps (thankfully they weren’t superiors or direct co-workers.) Also, when I told my boyfriend (who is now my hubby of 9 years!) about the unwelcome advances I received from one persistent wierdo (who was, ironically, a so-called “Devout” Catholic), he “visited” me at the office and introduced himself to the Creep to scare him off. Not all women have a Prince Charming to help them out of such a situation. Thank God I did.

Back to the original discussion: Cosmo Girl - ok - well IMHO the “parent” mag, COSMO, is just a bunch of ink on dead trees so I doubt I’d ever present their “kids” version to my daughter - beyond the morality of it, its just kinda “low brow.”

 

[JSmitty2005]

mikew262:

If the APA had supported your position would you still feel the same about them? BTW, the APA is a valid source of info.

Not if you’re a Catholic. In fact, the bulk of what is taught in psychology classes is trash. I’ve experienced it first hand. I’ve also heard it from guys with degrees in psychology like Fr. Benedict Groeshel and Fr. John Szada (my spiritual advisor), not to mention some others like Peter Kreeft. I’d stick with the Church if I were you.

 

[Kendy]

brandy101:

Though savvy and self-assured, I was a "victim " (I hate to use that term) of gender/sexual harrassment in both a graduate school assignment and in the workplace. Luckily, in my grad school situation, I was aided by faculty and staff to make sure the the offending lout was approprately corrected, although the experience shook me to the core.

In the workplace situation, so as to not make waves, I just avoided the creeps (thankfully they weren’t superiors or direct co-workers.) Also, when I told my boyfriend (who is now my hubby of 9 years!) about the unwelcome advances I received from one persistent wierdo (who was, ironically, a so-called “Devout” Catholic), he “visited” me at the office and introduced himself to the Creep to scare him off. Not all women have a Prince Charming to help them out of such a situation. Thank God I did.

Now, we all know from the wise words of Phyllis Schlafly that men seldom make passes at virtuous women. :tsktsk:

Kendy

 

[brandy101]

Hahah Kendy.

I recall my mother referring to ole’ Phyllis as a “traitor” back-in-the-day… but that was then…what my mom refers to as her “angry woman days.”

And yet, for our own (women’s) safety, I think a bit of “angry woman” deep within, ready to be called upon when we are backed into a corner (literally and figueratively) is, as Martha Stewart would say, “A Good Thing.”

 

[JSmitty2005]

Unexpected Dawn:

And please note, that I never have and never will belittle those women who do become housewives and stay-at-home moms.

Notice how similar this is to the pro-death argument that “being pro-choice doesn’t mean you’re pro-abortion, personally, I’m (for or against) abortion but I will never belittle those people that disagree with me.” It’s relativism.
Unexpected Dawn:

Let me just ask you a question: do you believe that different women have different callings, and that no one has a right to determine that calling except the woman and God? If so, then we’re on the same side. If not, then we’ll have to agree to differ.

Some women feel as though God has called them to be lesbians or priests. We all know that neither of these are legitimate options for “callings,” so this argument doesn’t hold up either.

Listen, all I’ve been trying to say in this thread is that women have a duty first and foremost to be mothers and wives. Consequently, if at all possible, they should do all that they can to stay home and nurture their children (since they’re a whole lot better at it than us guys) until they’ve grown to an appropriate age. A mother’s role as a financial provider is a far second, unless of course it’s absolutely necessary (as I’ve said before). If you can’t agree with that, then we’ll have to agree to disagree.

 

[brandy101]

JSmitty2005:

Listen, all I’ve been trying to say in this thread is that women have a duty first and foremost to be mothers and wives.

Jsmitty - you neglected the important role of women in the Church who choose NOT to rely on their uterus as their primary “duty”: What about those women who are called to be Sisters (nuns)?

As I recall from many years of “Vocation Day” in school, discerning a call to Sisterhood was pretty high on the pedestal, according to the Nuns who taught us.

A slap on the wrist with a ruler for you!

 

[JSmitty2005]

brandy101:

Jsmitty - you neglected the important role of women in the Church who choose NOT to rely on their uterus as their primary “duty”: What about those women who are called to be Sisters (nuns)?

As I recall from many years of “Vocation Day” in school, discerning a call to Sisterhood was pretty high on the pedestal, according to the Nuns who taught us.

A slap on the wrist with a ruler for you!

I don’t remember excluding spiritual motherhood or being a “wife” to Christ.

 

[JSmitty2005]

brandy101:

I recall my mother referring to ole’ Phyllis as a “traitor” back-in-the-day… but that was then…what my mom refers to as her “angry woman days.”

So sad.

 

[brandy101]

Yeah, women (Like Phyllis Schlafly) telling other women who are raped, beaten, harrassed, molested, etc. that they “asked for it” sure as heck IS sad.

 

[JSmitty2005]

brandy101:

Yeah, women (Like Phyllis Schlafly) telling other women who are raped, beaten, harrassed, molested, etc. that they “asked for it” sure as heck IS sad.

I think she’s right. Feminism’s promotion of sexual promiscuity indubitably brought it on. That’s what’s sad.

 

[brandy101]

Jsmitty -

here’s a neat exercise in Christian living:

Volunteer your time for ONE NIGHT at a domestic abuse shelter or rape crisis center and then reconsider your position.

Women have been beaten, raped, abused since the dawn of TIME. The 20th century “feminist movement” did not bring all of this gender-based abuse about! To assert such is just bad history!

 

[Kendy]

JSmitty2005:

I think she’s right. Feminism’s promotion of sexual promiscuity indubitably brought it on. That’s what’s sad.

Feminism is also responsible for the war in Iraq, famine in the Africa, and natural disasters. Seriously, there’s a feminist behind every evil. Right JSmitty .

The world was such a wonderful place before those crazy feminazis, with their penis envy, wanted to do masculine like vote in elections. The nerve!

And then they walk around the office (a man’s castle away from home) with their mini-skirts and expect red-blooded American men not to cop a feel. What’s the matter with these gals? It’s like that time of the month everyday for these chicks. I swear if I had a penis, I would rape them myself!

Kendy

 

[Kendy]

brandy101:

Jsmitty -

here’s a neat exercise in Christian living:

Volunteer your time for ONE NIGHT at a domestic abuse shelter or rape crisis center and then reconsider your position.

Women have been beaten, raped, abused since the dawn of TIME. The 20th century “feminist movement” did not bring all of this gender-based abuse about! To assert such is just bad history!

It’s JSmitty’s world. We’re just invited .

 

[Shlemele]

brandy101:

Jsmitty -

here’s a neat exercise in Christian living:

Volunteer your time for ONE NIGHT at a domestic abuse shelter or rape crisis center and then reconsider your position.

Women have been beaten, raped, abused since the dawn of TIME. The 20th century “feminist movement” did not bring all of this gender-based abuse about! To assert such is just bad history!

I agree here, but I would like to also add an observation; in counseling settings we are seeing that more and more men are the victims of abuse. Many women have started to be just as violent as their male counterparts when they know their boyfriend or spouse will not fight back. Actually my male room mate was raped in college by a female student so although I sympathize with women in this situation my personal belief isn’t that violence is necessarily a gender issue but rather an issue of the human condition. Violence is the real enemy, not men or women. I support women in whatever capacity they choose is fulfilling, so long as they are capable of the job.

In so far as Christianity not being compatible with feminism, I would contend that Paul was the first feminist. He preached that women were to be loved and protected by their husbands in a time when women were a commodity.

 

[Gerrygarvin]

Jsmitty, guess what, women are your peers now, cry me a river. :crying:

 

[JMJ_Theresa]

Hey folks, I’m sure you are exaggerating for effect, but your personal attacks on the op seem uncharitable.

I doubt you will convince him of your views by being so disparaging.

Really, when did the op say he approved of spousal abuse, tied feminism to the Iraq war, or advocate rape.

I am very disturbed by this.

 

[Gerrygarvin]

well i look at it this way. Jsmitty is 20 years old and in college. As such, convincing him that he might be mistaken about anything is a lost cause. It’s better to just enjoy a good ribbing, and save the use of reason and rational arguement for a few years down the line.

 

[JMJ_Theresa]

consider that your audience is larger than one young man. There are plenty of people looking at these forums who are interested in what Catholics are like. Is this the face you wish to present?

Perhaps because of my feminity, I find such ribbing not playful, but I will accept that that is your intention.

Have a good day.

 

[Kendy]

JMJ Theresa:

Hey folks, I’m sure you are exaggerating for effect, but your personal attacks on the op seem uncharitable.

I doubt you will convince him of your views by being so disparaging.

Really, when did the op say he approved of spousal abuse, tied feminism to the Iraq war, or advocate rape.

I am very disturbed by this.

Yes, I was harsh. But humor was the only thing I could think of to respond to his claim that feminism is responsible for sexual harassment.

Kendy