Feminism is infiltrating every aspect of society

[JSmitty2005]

Kendy:

Jokes aside. Is it possible that you cannot make all women the same just because you want them to?

Kendy

I don’t think that I’ve ever said such a thing.

I’m honestly getting tired of people putting words in my mouth. When did I say that all women should be the same? Also, I’ve probably already said 100 times that IF a mother *has to * work then she has to work.

But IF a mother CAN stay at home, I think that she should. <—That is where we disagree.

 

[Gerrygarvin]

back to the original point of the post. way to show some intense feminist infiltration. who would have thought there’d be anything like that in “cosmogirl”

 

[Kendy]

JSmitty2005:

I don’t think that I’ve ever said such a thing.

I’m honestly getting tired of people putting words in my mouth. When did I say that all women should be the same? Also, I’ve probably already said 100 times that IF a mother *has to * work then she has to work.

But IF a mother CAN stay at home, I think that she should. <—That is where we disagree.

No, but you definitely have very rigid views of femininity, which may not fit easily into the personalities of all women.

And not to quibble, but by “CAN” stay home, you are only refering to whether she can afford it financially. You seem pretty indifferent to whether she will happy, or whether she will regret the work she is not doing. Who wants to be home with a disgruntled mom?

Kendy

 

[Lost_Found]

Kendy:

I answered your pm but it told me your mailbox is full. Ya need to clean out some junk

All I care about here are Christ’s teachings, which he gives us through his Church. NFP is very very connected to everything we are talking about. What I oppose is the culture of death that we live in. In other words, it’s not the “end” I have trouble with (you work, don’t have many kids blah blah), it’s the “means” - how you get there and your outlook/attitude/beliefs along the way.
As long as we subdue to Christ, He will show us the path to peace ie. reveal to us who we are.

 

[JSmitty2005]

Kendy:

No, but you definitely have very rigid views of femininity, which may not fit easily into the personalities of all women.

And not to quibble, but by “CAN” stay home, you are only refering to whether she can afford it financially. You seem pretty indifferent to whether she will happy, or whether she will regret the work she is not doing. Who wants to be home with a disgruntled mom?

Kendy

Why would someone that gets disgruntled with mothering ever want to be a mom to begin with?

 

[Kendy]

JSmitty2005:

Why would someone that gets disgruntled with mothering ever want to be a mom to begin with?

I was listening to a Christian writer once who talked about how unhappy she was being at home, and what she said best summaries being disgrunted, “I realize that it’s not that I didn’t want to be a mom; it’s that I didn’t want to be a mom all the time.”

Perhaps, being able to do something else you love can able you to be a better mom when you are there.

Kendy

P.S. Also, while this is a little off topic, but it’s not like you have a wide range of choices. If you want to be married, you have to be a parent.

 

[JSmitty2005]

Kendy:

I was listening to a Christian writer once who talked about how unhappy she was being at home, and what she said best summaries being disgrunted, “I realize that it’s not that I didn’t want to be a mom; it’s that I didn’t want to be a mom all the time.”

Perhaps, being able to do something else you love can able you to be a better mom when you are there.

Kendy

P.S. Also, while this is a little off topic, but it’s not like you have a wide range of choices. If you want to be married, you have to be a parent.

My next comment was going to be that a woman that does not want to mother her children should have never gotten married. You see, parenthood is a vocation. Whether you like it or not, you *are * a mom/dad all the time.

 

[Kendy]

JSmitty2005:

My next comment was going to be that a woman that does not want to mother her children should have never gotten married. You see, parenthood is a vocation. Whether you like it or not, you *are * a mom/dad all the time.

It’s all well and good that you can confidently make your declarations, but people’s feelings are not going to done away simply because you have said so. If someone is unhappy staying at home, one should have a better answer than, it’s your vocation.

Secondly, are you saying I am a mom, now? Does that mean I don’t have to be actual mom? .

Kendy

 

[Gerrygarvin]

I think Jsmitty would make a great SAHM. He already has the lingo and the tone down pat. “whether you like it or not!” follow that with the first middle and last name and you’ve got a winning formula.

 

[Kendy]

Gerrygarvin:

I think Jsmitty would make a great SAHM. He already has the lingo and the tone down pat. “whether you like it or not!” follow that with the first middle and last name and you’ve got a winning formula.

 

[PRmerger]

JSmitty2005:

Being harsh is not a Christian value at all, much less a feminine one.

JSMitty, are these quotes you made on another forum not harsh???

*Obviously, someone shouldn’t be killed for [formal heresy] unless they’re spreading their errors, but if they are, then torch 'em!"

Are you spreading your heretical errors? Are you infecting the minds of the faithful with such filth? If so and on a significant scale, then yes I would, but if not, then I’d just leave you rot. Before doing one or the other, though, I’d try to convince you that you’re wrong*.

:tsktsk:

 

[JSmitty2005]

PRmerger:

JSMitty, are these quotes you made not harsh???

*Obviously, someone shouldn’t be killed for [formal heresy] unless they’re spreading their errors, but if they are, then torch 'em!"

Are you spreading your heretical errors? Are you infecting the minds of the faithful with such filth? If so and on a significant scale, then yes I would, but if not, then I’d just leave you rot. Before doing one or the other, though, I’d try to convince you that you’re wrong*. :tsktsk:

I’m glad to see you dug that up. I was merely defending the Church’s decision and authority to have heretics executed. The Church teaches that murderers and the like can justly have their lives taken for ending the biological life of an innocent person. How much more justified can it be for a heretic that takes the eternal spiritual lives of people? After all, heresy is the greatest of all sins. But that’s for another thread… I’m sure you can find more like that, but for the most part I kept my cool in this thread.

 

[Gerrygarvin]

I’m glad to see you dug that up. I was merely defending the Church’s decision and authority to have heretics executed. The Church teaches that murderers and the like can justly have their lives taken for ending the biological life of an innocent person. How much more justified can it be for a heretic that takes the eternal spiritual lives of people? After all, heresy is the greatest of all sins. But that’s for another thread… I’m sure you can find more like that, but for the most part I kept my cool in this thread.

what if someone’s smug way of talking makes me want to sin? Can the church put said individual to death for endangering my spiritual life?

 

[Kendy]

I’m glad to see you dug that up. I was merely defending the Church’s decision and authority to have heretics executed. The Church teaches that murderers and the like can justly have their lives taken for ending the biological life of an innocent person. How much more justified can it be for a heretic that takes the eternal spiritual lives of people? After all, heresy is the greatest of all sins. But that’s for another thread… I’m sure you can find more like that, but for the most part I kept my cool in this thread.

 

[john_ennis]

JSmitty2005:

My next comment was going to be that a woman that does not want to mother her children should have never gotten married. You see, parenthood is a vocation. Whether you like it or not, you *are *a mom/dad all the time.

This says a lot. You have to admit, parenting that doesn’t revolve around the philosophy, “It’s not really about me,” isn’t properly focused.

Not to say any of us manages to follow that philosophy perfectly, but it’s surely the right goal.

The problem I see with, “Well, if I’m happier/more fulfilled doing such and such, that’ll make me a better parent,” is that it’s so easily made into an excuse for making it all “about me” instead of “about them.”

Remember how common it used to be to say, “We’re getting divorced for the sake of the kids”?
“Y’see–we’ll be happier, and that will make them happier.”
What a crock!

That was an excuse; it was rationalizing.
We can do the same rationalizing when we put the kids in daycare "so I’ll be a happier and more fulfilled–
and thus a better–parent.
Peace.
John

 

[Kendy]

john ennis:

This says a lot. You have to admit, parenting that doesn’t revolve around the philosophy, “It’s not really about me,” isn’t properly focused.

Not to say any of us manages to follow that philosophy perfectly, but it’s surely the right goal.

The problem I see with, “Well, if I’m happier/more fulfilled doing such and such, that’ll make me a better parent,” is that it’s so easily made into an excuse for making it all “about me” instead of “about them.”

Remember how common it used to be to say, “We’re getting divorced for the sake of the kids”?
“Y’see–we’ll be happier, and that will make them happier.”
What a crock!

That was an excuse; it was rationalizing.
We can do the same rationalizing when we put the kids in daycare "so I’ll be a happier and more fulfilled–
and thus a better–parent.
Peace.
John

You’re absolutely right. I can’t believe I said. I need to stop having this argument. I am saying things I don’t even believe. .

Kendy

 

[JSmitty2005]

Kendy:

You’re absolutely right. I can’t believe I said. I need to stop having this argument. I am saying things I don’t even believe. .

Kendy

Are you serious? If you are, I’m sorry for attacking you because I thought you actually believed that^.

 

[JSmitty2005]

JSmitty2005:

Are you serious? If you are, I’m sorry for attacking you because I thought you actually believed that^.

Actually, I didn’t single you or anyone else out that I can recall.

 

[john_ennis]

Orionthehunter:

Why is this an all or nothing discussion? While a SAHM traditional family might be a good thing, can’t it be possible for some families that a SAHD or a both parents working might be a good thing too?

I think we need to agree that therer can be different choices equally good for different families. The alternative is that someone believes they know best for families and people they hve never met.

True–agree with everything but the last sentence. When we talk in a philosophical way about what we believe is good or bad for kids, it can sound like we’re saying, “All you who do differently are wrong–I know better.” It doesn’t have to mean that, though.

But it can be helpful to talk about whether, as a general rule, kids are better off when one parent is home. There’s a whole lot more talk about it now (admittedly sometimes passionate and insensitive to diverse situations) because so many prominate feminists have been asserting that there’s positively no need to be a SAHM, daycare is never a problem, etc, etc.

Some of us just plain believe that, if possible, it’s better for kids to have mom at home. That doesn’t have to mean we’re condemning anybody. It’s everybody’s own choice, and everybody has different situations as well as different beliefs.

But we shouldn’t have to be shy about stating what we believe, just because others do differently. Maybe some of us believe, for example, that spanking is not a good way to discipline. Does that mean that we’re condemning those who do it? Does it mean we think they shouldn’t have the choice? Are we supposed to say we think it’s good for some situations and bad for others, when in fact we really believe as a general practice it’s not a good idea?
Same goes for working moms.

Peace.
John

 

[Kendy]

JSmitty2005:

Are you serious? If you are, I’m sorry for attacking you because I thought you actually believed that^.

Well, I said it so there was no reason not to believe me. I just mean sometimes, I get so caught up arguing, I lose track of what I am saying.