Florence pastor refuses to give communion to Presidential Hopeful Joe Biden

[vz71]

No one is fighting for the right to put children in cages.
No one is demonstrating in favor of children in cages.
It is a fiction people tell themselves to silence their conscience.

 

[Maximus1]

That is your opinion. I see CATHOLOCISM much bigger than one atrocity.

 

[Maximus1]

Immediate concern? Roe was passed in 1973. CATHOLOCISM faces challenges every day

 

[Maximus1]

What seems least likely is the priest spoke to him first, and Biden obstinately required he be kicked off the line.
If he spoke to him before in private, he sought the press in public.
If he waited till Biden was in front of him, it was a gotcha for Biden.

 

[upant]

I will vote for him. I disagree on abortion but I think Trump is truly dangerous and lawless

by voting for Joe you will be supporting:

abortion until and now even after birth
transgenderism
anti-christian politics (but pro-Islam)
identity politics
cheap and readily available contraception
contraception mandated insurance (little sisters of the poor)
homosexuality, you must agree with their same-sex marriage
they now want to force churches to marry them
break the seal of the confessional
allow tax paid abortions
religious test for supreme court judges
etc.

are these policies good for any religious group?

which laws are more important man’s or God’s?

As a hypothetical, if Satan ran for president, he could run pro life, and capture the Catholic vote.
One issue! Then he can do his dirty work with Catholic support every other concievable way.

the dem platform is wrong on more than one issue. they even voted to remove God from the platform. they voted themselves the party of the nones. they walked it back because the gop used it against them. liberals are removing God from all areas of public life

it isn’t one issue

Except when it is Joe Biden, right?

here is the policy he was denied under and what he has to do to receive again

The decree, “Worthy to Receive the Lamb: Catholics in Political Life and the Reception of Holy Communion,” established policy for the Diocese of Charleston, where presidential candidate Joe Biden was denied the Eucharist on Sunday.

but besides that, how are they oppressive to Catholics in particular?

see above

But isn’t putting immigrant children in cages evil as well?

this has a solution, abortion is permanent.

My thoughts exactly. Seems like the good father saw an opportunity for a bit of grandstanding and decided to go for it.

he was following the policy of the diocese, please read it above

That is your opinion. I see CATHOLOCISM much bigger than one atrocity.

St. Pope John Paul II is clear on it

The inviolability of the person which is a reflection of the absolute inviolability of God, fínds its primary and fundamental expression in the inviolability of human life. Above all, the common outcry, which is justly made on behalf of human rights-for example, the right to health, to home, to work, to family, to culture- is false and illusory if the right to life, the most basic and fundamental right and the condition for all other personal rights, is not defended with maximum determination.

 

[Ender]

I would not be the one doing it, so that doesnt matter. But I do know what she told me, and I do know that she makes no bones about disagreeing with Church teaching and how that is between her and God and no priest or Bishop is going to tell her what she can/cannot do.

I see much more scandal in what my friend is doing, and I have told her so, than in Joe Biden receiving Communion, but I guess that is just me.

This is irrelevant. That your priest has failed in his obligations is no reason to condemn this priest from living up to his.

Besides opposing abortion, what have Republicans done for Catholics? How is voting democratic suicide? Don’t get me wrong, I am bitterly disappointed that the Dems wholeheartedly support abortion, but besides that, how are they oppressive to Catholics in particular?

Gay marriage was bad enough, but the LGBTQ forces will inevitably force a confrontation with the church, and (Democrat) politicians are already indicating where their sympathies lie. Conscience protections will be eliminated (Little Sisters of the Poor?), Catholic adoption services are under attack today over their unwillingness to place children in “families” with two mommies or two daddies. Catholic hospitals are being sued today because they won’t perform sex change operations.

One may agree with the Democrats in all these things, but it is unreasonable to suggest these positions don’t represent real, serious threats not just to Catholics but to all religions who will not accede to the will of the Left. A Catholic voting for a Democrat is not unlike the three little pigs voting for the wolf. It won’t end well.

 

[upant]

A Catholic voting for a Democrat is not unlike the three little pigs voting for the wolf. It won’t end well.

well said

 

[Maximus1]

Transgenderism , however you want to describe it, exists however it does under Trump. Joe is not creating it.
Same with the existence of contraception and the rest of your list.
The Federalist Society already put two justices on the court with ," a religious test" hopefully upholding the first Amendment.
Abortion has been the same in America since 1973, when pro choice was supported by many Republicans and evangelicals.
Your list involves the biological function of sex and reproduction and virtually nothing else. And that is the point. The faith involves much more than sex and reproduction.

 

[melonhead]

Transgenderism , however you want to describe it, exists however it does under Trump. Joe is not creating it.
Same with the existence of contraception and the rest of your list.

The problem isn’t that it exists. The problem is that one party seems hell-bent on forcing people to condone those actions.

 

[Maximus1]

How are you forced to condone something?
Since when are we intolerant that people exist as full citizens?
Since when do we rally around political " scapegoats". We don’t evangelize sinners any more?

 

[CilladeRoma]

This is irrelevant. That your priest has failed in his obligations is no reason to condemn this priest from living up to his.

I never said if she was approached by the pastor or not.
FWIW, she has been told, by more than one priest she should not present herself for Communion. She just goes to an EMHC, who have been forbidden by our Ordinary to deny anyone.

 

[upant]

How are you forced to condone something?

recent examples
if you don’t bake a cake for a gay couple you lose your livelihood
if you don’t call a he a she, you are fired
if you don’t offer contraception you can’t sell insurance
catholic adoption
crosses on public land
etc. etc. etc.

Joe is not creating it.

joe helped create a lot of it in the past admin. this is where a lot of it started

he was against a lot of this before he was for it.

Your list involves the biological function of sex and reproduction and virtually nothing else. And that is the point.

my list is what St Paul says will lead people away from heaven.

ST John Paul II was even more specific. he said the right to life was to be defended with maximum determination. how would you defend joe to him?

The faith involves much more than sex and reproduction.

the faith is about leading people to Jesus and how do you do that when one party wants to take God out of their platform, out of the public arena and punish those who want to show Jesus to the world.

the dems are pushing more than sex and reproduction, it is a lifestyle of anti-biblical behavior. look at their social programs, where are they helping the poor? welfare has been detrimental to the poor. we need to stop the downward cycle and come back to God’s laws

The War on Poverty crippled marriage in low-income communities. As means-tested benefits were expanded, welfare began to serve as a substitute for a husband in the home, eroding marriage among lower-income Americans. In addition, the welfare system actively penalized low-income couples who did marry by eliminating or substantially reducing benefits. As husbands left the home, the need for more welfare to support single mothers increased. The War on Poverty created a destructive feedback loop: Welfare promoted the decline of marriage, which generated the need for more welfare.

Today, unwed childbearing and the resulting growth of single-parent homes is the most important cause of official child poverty.[25] If poor women who give birth outside of marriage were married to the fathers of their children, two-thirds would immediately be lifted out of official poverty and into self-sufficiency.[26]

The War on Poverty After 50 Years

This week, the U.S. Census Bureau is scheduled to release its annual poverty report. The report will be notable because this year marks the 50th anniversary of the launch of President Lyndon Johnson’s War on Poverty. In his January 1964 State of the Union address, Johnson proclaimed, “This...

www.heritage.org

 

[melonhead]

When a business owner serves gay people, but can’t in good conscience create a custom cake or floral arrangement for a same sex wedding, citing religious beliefs, and get sued, that’s force. When a candidate says he’ll yank tax exempt status from churches that don’t support SSM, but not other tax exempt orgs, that’s a threat of force. When a judicial nominee is told that he’s a member of a group with extremist views, and says he should resign from said group, words have meaning, that’s a threat of force. I only see this threat of force coming from one party.

Of course we evangelize sinners. But how do you evangelize someone who refuses to hear your beliefs and teachings, then says you’re “intolerant” for not changing them?

 

[DMorgan56]

Needs more practice. As do I.

 

[AtheistNoMore]

this has a solution, abortion is permanent.

Psychological trauma is permanent too. I could never vote for someone who deliberately terrorizes immigrants and refers to them as “rapists,” and “vermin,” and condoning his supporters shooting Mexican immigrants.

Yes, abortion is a horrendous scourge on society, no one is questioning that. It is something I find extremely distasteful about the Dems.

 

[AtheistNoMore]

legal murder is no comparison.

The death penalty is legal murder too, yet it is something Republicans wholeheartedly endorse. So both parties endorse the legal taking of lives.

 

[Ender]

She just goes to an EMHC, who have been forbidden by our Ordinary to deny anyone.

Such instruction does not exempt the EMHC from his duty, or from the danger of not doing it.

These things I say to you that receive, and to you that minister. For it is necessary to address myself to you also, that you may with much care distribute the gifts there. There is no small punishment for you, if being conscious of any wickedness in any man, you allow him to partake of this table. “His blood shall be required at your hands. (St Chrysostom)

Nor are such instructions legitimate.

“…no ecclesiastical authority may dispense the minister of Holy Communion from this obligation in any case, nor may he emanate directives that contradict it.” ( English translation from L’Osservatore Romano, Weekly Edition in English, 12 July 2000, 4.)

 

[CilladeRoma]

You can take your concerns to my Bishop.
I will follow his direction, not that of random people on the internet.

 

[Divine3]

And what crime did the baby in the womb do to deserve death? Innocent little baby is now being compared to an adult in prison. Babies are abused in billions of ways since some lawyers decided to make medical, philosophical and moral decisions regarding when life begins. Amazing we gave such power to a bunch of lawyers on the Supreme Court.

 

[Ender]

The death penalty is legal murder too, yet it is something Republicans wholeheartedly endorse. So both parties endorse the legal taking of lives.

The church for 2000 years has acknowledged the moral legitimacy of capital punishment. She has also for that long recognized the moral illegitimacy of abortion. You are right that the parties have opposite positions on those two issues; you are mistaken in believing there is any kind of moral equivalence between those positions.

You can take your concerns to my Bishop.
I will follow his direction, not that of random people on the internet.

I hope you are not an EMHC. Now that you’ve been told what your obligations are, dismissing this because you heard it from some “random people on the internet” is not likely to eliminate your culpability should you knowingly violate your duty.