Glenn Beck says to run away from churches who preach social justice?

[RWMorris]

Sadly generosity, philanthropy will never be enough when left to free will - or there would already be no poor or hungry in our country or anywhere. Abuse and manipulation are no excuse not to act as individuals and governments to have the common good as a goal.

The poor you will always have with you, and you can help them any time you want.

• St Mark

There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be openhanded toward your brothers and toward the poor and needy in your land.

• Moses

 

[Via_Dolorosa]

Bill Gates has been known for his “charitable” funding of abortion for at least 6 years.
(Google Bill Gates, abortion.)

Melinda Gates is a co-donor with her husband although she says she’s still Catholic. They get great press bytes, no more no less.

I do not applaud Bill or Melinda Gates for their “charitable” giving.

I’m not a one issue voter. The good they are doing is not cancelled out for one thing I disagree with. I think that is what the nuns were also trying to say.

 

[Via_Dolorosa]

Bill Gates has been known for his “charitable” funding of abortion for at least 6 years.
(Google Bill Gates, abortion.)

Melinda Gates is a co-donor with her husband although she says she’s still Catholic. They get great press bytes, no more no less.

I do not applaud Bill or Melinda Gates for their “charitable” giving.

I did google as you suggested. I question the sources. This is like the Keven Bacon thing. No matter who you are you are 6 degrees of separation to Kevin Bacon.

 

[Convert66]

Bill Gates seems to be the embodiment of social justice. I think he’s doing a great job

You have GOT to be kidding!!!? Let’s see what a “great job” with social justice Mr. Gates is advocating, shall we?

“The world today has 6.8 billion people. That’s heading up to about nine billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent.”

So, according to **Via Dolorosa, **professor emeritus of Catholic Social justice from the university of METHINKS, population control through vaccinations, 'reproductive services" (i.e., abortion and contraception) embodies a “great job” in contributing to Social Justice! Mr. Gates advocates reducing the population. Well, last time I checked vaccinations do not kill people, but are rather supposed to save lives So, what do you think he means by it? He means Sterilization!

Via Dolorosa should be ashamed, or, in the least, chastised for aligning herself with eugenicists and then attempting to pass that off as Catholic social justice! I suppose that many of us here, without having attended Professor Dolorosa’s courses in ethics at METHINKS U, are just too stupid and selfish to see the inherent beauty of Mr. Gates advocacy of murder!!! Putting politics and self-interpretation above that of the Church, eh?

There’s a word for people who make such slanders and yet engage in the sort of willfull ignorance and selfish obtuseness employed by pseudo-Professor Dolorosa: hypocrites!!

Let’s have a look at some commentary offered by one of the objects of Mr. Gates’ alleged “philanthropy” shall we?

ASMARA, Eritrea – The “richest man in the world,” Microsoft’s Bill Gates, recently announced that he was making a $10 billion donation towards finding vaccines to prevent some of the world’s worst diseases.

Malaria is the number one killer in Africa. From what I’m hearing about $1 billion of Bill Gates donation/tax write-off is for research to find a vaccine to prevent malaria.

The African country of Eritrea, where I live, has reduced malaria mortality by 85 percent in the last seven years. How? By using basic public health methods. By distributing pesticide treated mosquito nets and organizing the pesticide retreatment every three months of mosquito nets. By habitat eradication. And by community medical clinics for immediate treatment.

Malaria is a parasite-based disease noted for its variety and quick development of resistance to medication. Any “vaccine,” if even a billion dollars is able to produce such, would have a limited lifetime and new, patented medications would have to be bought by Africa’s poor every few years.

So “donating” a billion dollars to develop a malaria “vaccine” could turn into tens of billions of dollars in drug sales in Africa alone, and Bill Gates, through his drug company investments, will quietly pocket more African blood money.

All the while a very successful malaria mortality reduction program is operating, effectively, safely and affordably, in Eritrea.

If Bill Gates is a philanthropist… my name’s Dr. Rajendra Pachauri.

Now, do us ALL a favor and slither on back to that brood of vipers, Professor!

 

[4elise]

Thanks, Elise, I could see where there may be problems on this. Was only one of the options I was reading about lately. Can you image, though, all of the IRS agents coming to taxpapers homes to check on whether or not they have health insurance. My only concern is keeping the government out of our house. Surely there were/are ways to tackle the problems with healthcare without stomping on the Constitution. The other concern is: where’s the money coming from??? We are bankrupt in California and do not need the additional burdens. Congress is like an out-of-control teenager saying: “there must be money because look at all of the checks I have in my wallet”. They are out of control…there is NO money for this right now.

I heard an opinion today in response to an editorial about this exact point.
The man stated that we are already paying for this. The uninsured go to emergency rooms - having 1. waited till they are really, really sick and/or 2. the government pays for this (the government = us)

I believe it will be a simple issue of reporting on our annual tax forms - no one knocking on the doors - this is just a simple mechanism to make sure everyone - even the healthy - have provided for their future care - otherwise they could wait till they need it - if everyone gets it, even the healthy it will keep the costs down, seems to me.
It is not a burden on California - it is going to be the responsibility of all individuals to have the insurance.

I think Mr. Beck has distorted this issue too - not only the point about Churches that teach Social Justice.

 

[4elise]

In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching you received from us. For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example. We were not idle when we were with you, nor did we eat anyone’s food without paying for it. On the contrary, we worked night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a burden to any of you. We did this, not because we do not have the right to such help, but in order to make ourselves a model for you to follow. For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “If a man will not work, he shall not eat.”

We hear that some among you are idle. They are not busy; they are busybodies. Such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and earn the bread they eat. And as for you, brothers, never tire of doing what is right. If anyone does not obey our instruction in this letter, take special note of him. Do not associate with him, in order that he may feel ashamed. Yet do not regard him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother.

• St Paul

By sharing this exhortation from St. Paul do you assert that those who do without today do so because they will not work? Not that they can not find work? Not that they do not have the same opportunities for education?

 

[4elise]

You have GOT to be kidding!!!? Let’s see what a “great job” with social justice Mr. Gates is advocating, shall we?

So, according to **Via Dolorosa, **professor emeritus of Catholic Social justice from the university of METHINKS, population control through vaccinations, 'reproductive services" (i.e., abortion and contraception) embodies a “great job” in contributing to Social Justice! Mr. Gates advocates reducing the population. Well, last time I checked vaccinations do not kill people, but are rather supposed to save lives So, what do you think he means by it? He means Sterilization!

Via Dolorosa should be ashamed, or, in the least, chastised for aligning herself with eugenicists and then attempting to pass that off as Catholic social justice! I suppose that many of us here, without having attended Professor Dolorosa’s courses in ethics at METHINKS U, are just too stupid and selfish to see the inherent beauty of Mr. Gates advocacy of murder!!! Putting politics and self-interpretation above that of the Church, eh?

There’s a word for people who make such slanders and yet engage in the sort of willfull ignorance and selfish obtuseness employed by pseudo-Professor Dolorosa: hypocrites!!

Let’s have a look at some commentary offered by one of the objects of Mr. Gates’ alleged “philanthropy” shall we?

Now, do us ALL a favor and slither on back to that brood of vipers, Professor!

Name calling has no place on these threads.
It is possible (and preferable) to disagree without becoming disagreeable.
It is possible (and preferable) to share information that one may have about a given individual or situation without doing so with insults.

I would encourage Via Dolorosa to not favor this post with a reply - it is undeserving of one IMHO.

 

[catharina]

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[kbkam]

Well, they also say that Mussolini made the trains run on time-myth or not. I’m sure somewhere there’s a website for a list of all the good things that evil people did. Neighborhoods loved their mafia dons, remember?

I hope you get my point about the Gates donations-re; abortion-‘with all the other good they do’, not a one issue person-blah, blah, blah.

Without life, there are no other rights. Period.

If that one issue isn’t a strong foundation for belief system-there is no foundation and the house of all those good intentions is bound to crumble. I suppose the end justifies the means and all that?

 

[Convert66]

Yes, quote me, but do not reply. Brilliance! You must have attended METHINKS U as well.

Ban me! But first ban all of the nitwits who bore FALSE (as opposed to my accurate) witness against Mr, Beck in this thread.

And go hiss at someone else.

 

[catharina]

Name calling has no place on these threads.
It is possible (and preferable) to disagree without becoming disagreeable.
It is possible (and preferable) to share information that one may have about a given individual or situation without doing so with insults.

I would encourage Via Dolorosa to not favor this post with a reply - it is undeserving of one IMHO.

Quite agree.

 

[4elise]

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Thank you for posting this

 

[catharina]

Thank you for posting this

You’re quite welcome.
Now I’ll highlight the final two rules.

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[4elise]

Yes, quote me, but do not reply. Brilliance! You must have attended METHINKS U as well.

Ban me! But first ban all of the nitwits who bore FALSE (as opposed to my accurate) witness against Mr, Beck in this thread.

And go hiss at someone else.

Um… I think the discussion was related to Mr. Beck’s own words.
He said one should RUN from a Church that spoke of Social Justice.

The Catholic Church teaches Social Justice.

So… given Mr. Beck’s comments he appears to be recommending that Catholics run away from our Churches.

I for one am very, very glad that our Church teaches Social Justice.
Blessings (from one of the nitwits!)

 

[Convert66]

Um… I think the discussion was related to Mr. Beck’s own words.
He said one should RUN from a Church that spoke of Social Justice.

The Catholic Church teaches Social Justice.

So… given Mr. Beck’s comments he appears to be recommending that Catholics run away from our Churches.

I for one am very, very glad that our Church teaches Social Justice.
Blessings (from one of the nitwits!)

So why was eugenicist Bill Gates being praised as the “embodiement of social justice” in a thread about Glenn Beck? This “do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do” dynamic happened before when professor Dolorosa posted an unrelated poem, but when another person did the same, protested that it was unrelated to the thread. There’s a forum for uniformity (how tolerantly diverse) without needing to (selectively) demand it here too. It’s called your living room.

And I do not care what it “appears” Mr. Beck was recommending to you. One could always listen to him directly for further clarification. He’s explained precisely what he meant and what he didn’t mean many times. As has been demonstrated, ad nauseum, in this thread, the link-arms-with-eugenicists-close-eyes-refuse-to-think-and-sing kumbaya crowd is either a) obtuse, b) obtuse, or c) deliberately obtuse. They’ve simply REFUSED (hands-in-ears-la-la-la-la-I’m-not-listening) to acknowledge there might be a tremendous difference between what the Magisterium defines as “social justice” and what abortion-supporters and eugenicists mean by “social justice.” Beck has enough problems being either ignorant or misinformed about Europe and Islam without being used to make the mouth-breather crowd feel like they’re (omigosh, like)
:curtsey:sooo enlightened

God granted us powers of reason and discernment for a reason.

Regards

P.S. Love the Benedict XVI quote in your signature. You should read through the dehumanizing things Beck’s opponents in this thread have said about him that do exactly what the Holy Father describes. Shameful. Cheers to Mr. Gates and the other eugenics fans. Kumbaya.

 

[kbkam]

Um… I think the discussion was related to Mr. Beck’s own words.
He said one should RUN from a Church that spoke of Social Justice.

The Catholic Church teaches Social Justice.

So… given Mr. Beck’s comments he appears to be recommending that Catholics run away from our Churches.

This is circular reasoning and lacking the important variable of what he actually said, so the conclusion is false.

I realize it’s time consuming to reread the entire forum and jump from one comment to another, as they are not really conversationally sequential. With that said, the title of the forum is a an incomplete quote from GB who immediately added,…“yeah if you go to a church with liberation theology like Jeremiah Wright”. Over the past week he had been interviewed several times about this and clarified even further, saying if social justice means progressive policies in certain churches, they are not preaching what Jesus preached, but rather turning His words into politics. He also made his transcript available and several of us linked to other interviews he had given to clarify. Having had the benefit of listening to his original program from his website, where I could hear the producers-both sides of the conversation-, etc, I heard his coworker say immediately “do you really mean people should leave their churches?” To which he responded with the Jeremiah Wright comment-that was instantaneous and couldn’t have been more clear. This is the banter of the program every day.He explained this over and over, but yet, people still preferred to believe their gossipy interpretations.

The big brouhaha for me came when several on the forum listened to his critics on political blogs and continued with ad hominem attacks on his person, his style-joking about a ‘hot’ Mormon babe (his wife), etc, all with admitting they did not investigate what he actually said, but rather were positive they already knew what he meant.
Tonight he had an entire program on the words ‘social justice’ and the perversion the meaning has undergone by being co-opted to promote progressive, not always holy causes- again an opportunity to hear it from the man himself.

He is an an entertainer, and as such, it doesn’t automatically mean he is wrong, but necessarily, his delivery is not a homily from the pulpit, nor a speech from the floor of the House. He has a style, whether you like it or not and it is entertaining.

So my beef with this forum/thread, the first time I’ve ever posted, is the lack of honesty here on a Catholic Answers website. I don’t care if you are a progressive (I think you are wrong and I’ll pray for you) but for Heaven’s sake have a little intellectual honesty. When given multiple opportunities to hear his complete conversation, if you choose not to educate yourself, your opinion has no validity to me-you might as well be trying to lecture authoritatively about astro-physics, not knowing a thing about it- no validity. Now, if you listen and really hear what GB said, meant and clarified (and no, he was not back-tracking-remember, I heard it all) and still have a different opinion-then no problem-you have a educated informed opinion and we may agree or agree to disagree.

I’ve started so many replies and left the computer to calm down that I didn’t post all of my responses to comments that referenced me-
Just a bit of indulgence, please-

…Via- did you mean that people who disagree with you are like Pharisees? I find that really insulting, and a not at all humble, BTW.
Talking about things people said second hand is gossip- Gossip: The 8th Deadly Sin Proverbs 18:8 Interesting article-not Catholic, but interesting nonetheless preaching.com/sermons/11565825/
…

kbkam
Read up on early 20th Century progressives and see just who today’s progressives admire-for example: Margaret Sanger, Queen of Eugenics, founder of groups which became Planned Parenthood, to rid our society of the undesirables-read minorities. (Eugenics-the model which Hitler copied.) What follower of Christ would want to be associated with people like that?

pnewton
One can oppose Glen Beck, abortion and eugenics all at once. As to who Jesus would associate with, we know the type of people he ate and drank with. It was one of the accusations against him by the Pharisees that he associated with the worst sinners. “It is the sick that need a physician,” and all that.

My reply is that perhaps my wording was awkward, but when He associated with sinners, He didn’t do so to join in the sinning.

Anyway many have made good and informed points and I appreciate a good debate. And although the general topic is social justice, this thread was specifically about What GB said-so it’s hard not to have a discussion about just that-
Sorry, if I broke the short post rule,but I think this may be my last for now-unless someone who has actually watched the GB show tonight wants to comment-
Thanks- kbkam

 

[Via_Dolorosa]

This is circular reasoning and lacking the important variable of what he actually said, so the conclusion is false.

I realize it’s time consuming to reread the entire forum and jump from one comment to another, as they are not really conversationally sequential. With that said, the title of the forum is a an incomplete quote from GB who immediately added,…“yeah if you go to a church with liberation theology like Jeremiah Wright”. Over the past week he had been interviewed several times about this and clarified even further, saying if social justice means progressive policies in certain churches, they are not preaching what Jesus preached, but rather turning His words into politics. He also made his transcript available and several of us linked to other interviews he had given to clarify. Having had the benefit of listening to his original program from his website, where I could hear the producers-both sides of the conversation-, etc, I heard his coworker say immediately “do you really mean people should leave their churches?” To which he responded with the Jeremiah Wright comment-that was instantaneous and couldn’t have been more clear. This is the banter of the program every day.He explained this over and over, but yet, people still preferred to believe their gossipy interpretations.

The big brouhaha for me came when several on the forum listened to his critics on political blogs and continued with ad hominem attacks on his person, his style-joking about a ‘hot’ Mormon babe (his wife), etc, all with admitting they did not investigate what he actually said, but rather were positive they already knew what he meant.
Tonight he had an entire program on the words ‘social justice’ and the perversion the meaning has undergone by being co-opted to promote progressive, not always holy causes- again an opportunity to hear it from the man himself.

He is an an entertainer, and as such, it doesn’t automatically mean he is wrong, but necessarily, his delivery is not a homily from the pulpit, nor a speech from the floor of the House. He has a style, whether you like it or not and it is entertaining.

So my beef with this forum/thread, the first time I’ve ever posted, is the lack of honesty here on a Catholic Answers website. I don’t care if you are a progressive (I think you are wrong and I’ll pray for you) but for Heaven’s sake have a little intellectual honesty. When given multiple opportunities to hear his complete conversation, if you choose not to educate yourself, your opinion has no validity to me-you might as well be trying to lecture authoritatively about astro-physics, not knowing a thing about it- no validity. Now, if you listen and really hear what GB said, meant and clarified (and no, he was not back-tracking-remember, I heard it all) and still have a different opinion-then no problem-you have a educated informed opinion and we may agree or agree to disagree.

I’ve started so many replies and left the computer to calm down that I didn’t post all of my responses to comments that referenced me-
Just a bit of indulgence, please-

…Via- did you mean that people who disagree with you are like Pharisees? I find that really insulting, and a not at all humble, BTW.
Talking about things people said second hand is gossip- Gossip: The 8th Deadly Sin Proverbs 18:8 Interesting article-not Catholic, but interesting nonetheless preaching.com/sermons/11565825/
…

My reply is that perhaps my wording was awkward, but when He associated with sinners, He didn’t do so to join in the sinning.

Anyway many have made good and informed points and I appreciate a good debate. And although the general topic is social justice, this thread was specifically about What GB said-so it’s hard not to have a discussion about just that-
Sorry, if I broke the short post rule,but I think this may be my last for now-unless someone who has actually watched the GB show tonight wants to comment-
Thanks- kbkam

Good Morning. Please don’t let this be your last post. Check in and let us know that you didn’t have a stroke. BTW Do you have health care? I have to go to work now so I’ll consider during the day if I want to take the time to respond. I’m sure there may be a teabagger event in your neighborhood so you’ll have a support group. I, myself, may bring up the topic of bullying in my classroom. It’s an important discussion.
God Bless.

 

[dominicandinah]

I’m grateful that I don’t hold Glen Beck to be an authority in the Church…

 

[4elise]

So why was eugenicist Bill Gates being praised as the “embodiement of social justice” in a thread about Glenn Beck? This “do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do” dynamic happened before when professor Dolorosa posted an unrelated poem, but when another person did the same, protested that it was unrelated to the thread. There’s a forum for uniformity (how tolerantly diverse) without needing to (selectively) demand it here too. It’s called your living room.

And I do not care what it “appears” Mr. Beck was recommending to you. One could always listen to him directly for further clarification. He’s explained precisely what he meant and what he didn’t mean many times. As has been demonstrated, ad nauseum, in this thread, the link-arms-with-eugenicists-close-eyes-refuse-to-think-and-sing kumbaya crowd is either a) obtuse, b) obtuse, or c) deliberately obtuse. They’ve simply REFUSED (hands-in-ears-la-la-la-la-I’m-not-listening) to acknowledge there might be a tremendous difference between what the Magisterium defines as “social justice” and what abortion-supporters and eugenicists mean by “social justice.” Beck has enough problems being either ignorant or misinformed about Europe and Islam without being used to make the mouth-breather crowd feel like they’re (omigosh, like)
:curtsey:sooo enlightened

God granted us powers of reason and discernment for a reason.

Regards

P.S. Love the Benedict XVI quote in your signature. You should read through the dehumanizing things Beck’s opponents in this thread have said about him that do exactly what the Holy Father describes. Shameful. Cheers to Mr. Gates and the other eugenics fans. Kumbaya.

I will respond since this was directed to me -

I believe the ‘poem’ that Via Delorsa shared (I do not recall anywhere where there was a sharing regarding her profession?) was spot on regarding social justice.

I believe it is possible to point to the good that an individual has done in the area of caring for the poor (Bill Gates) and still discuss the issue that another has as a concern regarded his involvement in issues related to population control - as an example…
One could say, “I understand that many see the good of the philanthropy of the Gates Foundation, however were you aware…” - provide legitimate links

Some fans of Beck may feel personally attacked by a thread that is trying to discuss a statement he made. You can share the clarification he offered. I was not aware he further clarified ‘Social Justice’ — does he have a definition?

Personally I am not a fan of the style of ‘journalism’ that Glen Beck uses. He seems, when I’ve tuned in, to count on fear, divisiveness, connecting point a and point h without explaining where b,c,d,e,f,g went - his conclusions based upon these leaps seem IMHO to be an exploitation of his audience’s genuine concerns.

Blessings

 

[4elise]

This is circular reasoning and lacking the important variable of what he actually said, so the conclusion is false.

I realize it’s time consuming to reread the entire forum and jump from one comment to another, as they are not really conversationally sequential. With that said, the title of the forum is a an incomplete quote from GB who immediately added,…“yeah if you go to a church with liberation theology like Jeremiah Wright”. Over the past week he had been interviewed several times about this and clarified even further, saying if social justice means progressive policies in certain churches, they are not preaching what Jesus preached, but rather turning His words into politics. He also made his transcript available and several of us linked to other interviews he had given to clarify. Having had the benefit of listening to his original program from his website, where I could hear the producers-both sides of the conversation-, etc, I heard his coworker say immediately “do you really mean people should leave their churches?” To which he responded with the Jeremiah Wright comment-that was instantaneous and couldn’t have been more clear. This is the banter of the program every day.He explained this over and over, but yet, people still preferred to believe their gossipy interpretations.

The big brouhaha for me came when several on the forum listened to his critics on political blogs and continued with ad hominem attacks on his person, his style-joking about a ‘hot’ Mormon babe (his wife), etc, all with admitting they did not investigate what he actually said, but rather were positive they already knew what he meant.
Tonight he had an entire program on the words ‘social justice’ and the perversion the meaning has undergone by being co-opted to promote progressive, not always holy causes- again an opportunity to hear it from the man himself.

He is an an entertainer, and as such, it doesn’t automatically mean he is wrong, but necessarily, his delivery is not a homily from the pulpit, nor a speech from the floor of the House. He has a style, whether you like it or not and it is entertaining.

So my beef with this forum/thread, the first time I’ve ever posted, is the lack of honesty here on a Catholic Answers website. I don’t care if you are a progressive (I think you are wrong and I’ll pray for you) but for Heaven’s sake have a little intellectual honesty. When given multiple opportunities to hear his complete conversation, if you choose not to educate yourself, your opinion has no validity to me-you might as well be trying to lecture authoritatively about astro-physics, not knowing a thing about it- no validity. Now, if you listen and really hear what GB said, meant and clarified (and no, he was not back-tracking-remember, I heard it all) and still have a different opinion-then no problem-you have a educated informed opinion and we may agree or agree to disagree.

I’ve started so many replies and left the computer to calm down that I didn’t post all of my responses to comments that referenced me-
Just a bit of indulgence, please-

…Via- did you mean that people who disagree with you are like Pharisees? I find that really insulting, and a not at all humble, BTW.
Talking about things people said second hand is gossip- Gossip: The 8th Deadly Sin Proverbs 18:8 Interesting article-not Catholic, but interesting nonetheless preaching.com/sermons/11565825/
…

My reply is that perhaps my wording was awkward, but when He associated with sinners, He didn’t do so to join in the sinning.

Anyway many have made good and informed points and I appreciate a good debate. And although the general topic is social justice, this thread was specifically about What GB said-so it’s hard not to have a discussion about just that-
Sorry, if I broke the short post rule,but I think this may be my last for now-unless someone who has actually watched the GB show tonight wants to comment-
Thanks- kbkam

I certainly appreciate the time you took to post this. Sometimes I too walk away - before hitting the (Submit Reply) button!

Mr. Beck may have clarified at the time and on further discussion - and I am glad to hear that… I did listen to an extended portion of that interview, and perhaps it is because I find his ‘style’ particularly difficult to watch - just way to confrontational for me.
You call him an ‘entertainer’ and perhaps that is his aim, and some may be entertained by him. He is however speaking often passionately about issues of politics, policy, and religion in a way that appears to imply that he has the ‘inside’ information - and has drawn the right conclusion - obviously individuals who have come to the same conclusion (perhaps by their own reasoning, reading, other sources) will find him on point and forgive his leaps more easily.

I think discussing what he has shared as his ‘faith journey’ on his show and in interviews - which he has done publicly - was legitimate since he was criticizing any Church’s that espouses Social Justice.

I have found on this thread that some were unaware of the Social Justice teaching of our shared faith, and thought it was on topic to provide links and information on this teaching.

So, I think we are all learning together. We can be friends who disagree.
What I see in politics, entertainment, news coverage today is a continued effort to divide us - we can do the same here on the threads, or we can ramp it down (take the pause before we submit reply as you did ) ) - we are all guilty of this at times - but we can make our point in charity - especially since this is CAF!
Blessings