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if you want people to stop purchasing semi-auto weapons you need to get rid of yours now. your argument isn’t genuine as long as you own them.
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Vonsalza
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The minute I only have them because of a grandfathering provision I’ll be sure to do just that.Vonsalza:
if you want people to stop purchasing semi-auto weapons you need to get rid of yours now.
If you don’t like that, I’m sure you’ll carry on somehow.
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Ender
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Yep, this would pretty much keep law abiding folks from owning them. If that’s the objective it will work pretty well.
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Vonsalza
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The objective is their dramatically reduced availability in society. And I agree, it does work pretty well.Vonsalza:
Yep, this would pretty much keep law abiding folks from owning them. If that’s the objective it will work pretty well.
Despite machinists being able to make them, how many gun-crimes in the US in the last 50 years have involved automatics?
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Ender
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Yes, either the law abiding will be kept in check by confiscating their guns…or by their not being inclined to break the law in the first place. The effect on the lawless will be entirely different, and much more minimal.
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Theo520
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It’s not really a ban if you have 15 million legal exceptions in the market, is it.
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Theo520
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No, that’s not practically true.
The lower receiver isn’t a moving part.
The barrel, extractor, ejector, springs, gas rings are parts with friction that will wear out, and none are controlled items.
A lower receiver can survive for generations if it was kept clean and stored out of the elements. It doesn’t take the stress of firing.
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Vonsalza
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No one is going to take your guns, Ender.Vonsalza:
Yes, either the law abiding will be kept in check by confiscating their guns…
If the black market price on even a cheap (but functioning) AR15 rises above a grand, grand and a half, you’ve effectively eliminated the ability for the vast vaaast majority of criminals to get one - as most of them are poor.
That black market dealer won’t take their Visa. Paper trail. Gotta cash-up or you’re out of luck.
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Vonsalza
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This is what claims guns more than anything - lack of care.
Attrition is real, Theo. And a lower without an upper is just a fancy paper-weight.
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Vonsalza
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On the secondary market, and their price will rise considerably once you can’t buy them at the store anymore.
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Theo520
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A paper weight worth it’s weight in gold, if grandfathered.
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Vonsalza
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That’s exactly what I’m aiming for, Theo.Vonsalza:
A paper weight worth it’s weight in gold, if grandfathered.
Your average thug does’t have the scratch to buy gold.
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Theo520
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They’d just buy the ruger mini-14, which has been excluded from all assault weapon bans so farYour average thug does’t have the scratch to buy gold.
The mini-14 is more than adequate for any criminal tasks.
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anon10271182
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And of course Springfield also make semi-automatic pistols.
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Vonsalza
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Which is why I’ve been pretty consistent in wanting a sort of ban on semiautos as an entire class.Vonsalza:
They’d just buy the ruger mini-14, which has been excluded from all assault weapon bans so farYour average thug does’t have the scratch to buy gold.
The mini-14 is more than adequate for any criminal tasks.
But the mini-14 is a nice rifle - especially if you put a stiffener on the underside of the barrel that slightly improves accuracy, but more importantly, makes it look more like its big-brother the M1 Garand/M14/Springfield M1a.
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Vonsalza
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But in fairness, you’d get about all the performance out of a lever gun that you’d get out of the mini. They’re both relatively short range rifles. 100-150 yds.Vonsalza:
They’d just buy the ruger mini-14, which has been excluded from all assault weapon bans so farYour average thug does’t have the scratch to buy gold.
The mini-14 is more than adequate for any criminal tasks.
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Theo520
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No rifle is much good out past 150 yrds, without a scope.
Ammo selection is probably more important for accuracy than the rifle.
Ammo selection is probably more important for accuracy than the rifle.
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Vonsalza
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At range, ammo selection does become important. But the tightness of the action and whether the barrel is free or not (no ammo tube or stock banded to it) makes a difference too.
Early 90s minis were described chidingly as “barn door accurate”. They’ve retooled and put a thicker barrel on them since then. The older, thinner ones used to “whip” a little bit.
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Theo520
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And someone who knows how to shoot also knows how to tweak some increased accuracy out of an average rifle. I expect most novices will be as accurate with an AR as with a Mini. So much gun talk is about sniper accuracy that most shooters can’t deliver.
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Vonsalza
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That’s absolutely right.
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