Harvard Will Host 'Reenactment' of Satanic Mass

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I have known a lot of very well-educated people who entirely lacked common sense. Harvard, it appears, may be filled with academic honors, but I don’t think I’d allow a Harvard grad to watch my young child. Common sense is sorely lacking, it seems. I have news for Harvard: You don’t play pretend with the devil. It doesn’t make you seem more academic or enlightened. To us real folks, you just look like fools. I don’t blame the college kids. They are prone to pushing the envelope. I blame the advisors and professors for not adequately equipping these kids with the basic ideals of critical thinking, logic and common sense. I doubt any of the academics even tried to discourage these kids. That is the real tragedy.

Has anyone read Harvard’s mission statement lately? Perhaps it’s changed to something like:

Harvard University: “Proudly preening the next generation of very wealthy village idiots.”
 
mikekle said:
In Gods and Satans eyes?..NOTHING, I would assume, Im sure Satan is gleaming about this.
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And Im sure Jesus thought about this event on the cross…so now is it too much to suggest that the next president or the next one after that could be a satanic sort of “antichrist”. Thats not far fetched at all if they are raised doing black masses.
 
lutheran_farmer said:
I have known a lot of very well-educated people who entirely lacked common sense. Harvard, it appears, may be filled with academic honors, but I don’t think I’d allow a Harvard grad to watch my young child. Common sense is sorely lacking, it seems. I have news for Harvard: You don’t play pretend with the devil. It doesn’t make you seem more academic or enlightened. To us real folks, you just look like fools. I don’t blame the college kids. They are prone to pushing the envelope. I blame the advisors and professors for not adequately equipping these kids with the basic ideals of critical thinking, logic and common sense. I doubt any of the academics even tried to discourage these kids. That is the real tragedy.

Has anyone read Harvard’s mission statement lately? Perhaps it’s changed to something like:

Harvard University: “Proudly preening the next generation of very wealthy village idiots.”
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I get what you are saying, but I think if this group is actually going to use a REAL consecrated host, God will likely prevent this, in fact, I think if this were to happen and nothing resulted, then it would appear God does not mind.

I have to admit, when I first heard they were going to use a consecrated host, I thought once they did this, the ground would start shaking, people may drop dead on the spot, other negative results, but I have a feeling even if they do use a real, absolutely nothing of the sort would happen…In modern times, God seems to have taken the NO INTERACTION AT ALL route…example…look at what God did to deal with Sodom and Gomorrah…then look at what goes on in many cities today, with NO response from God…??
 
mikekle said:
In modern times, God seems to have taken the NO INTERACTION AT ALL route…example…look at what God did to deal with Sodom and Gomorrah…then look at what goes on in many cities today, with NO response from God…??
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We don’t know how he’s worked in human hearts.
 
mikekle said:
I get what you are saying, but I think if this group is actually going to use a REAL consecrated host, God will likely prevent this, in fact, I think if this were to happen and nothing resulted, then it would appear God does not mind.
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Except, we know God does mind a lot of things where there appears “nothing resulted.” For example, Christ said that it would be better for one to be thrown into the sea with a stone around his neck than for him to scandalize a child. Well, plenty of children are scandalized, and there’s no thunder and lightning. So just because God disapproves, and is offended by, and indeed hates, sin of any kind, doesn’t mean we’re going to see the kind of wrathful deeds seen in the OT.
mikekle said:
I have to admit, when I first heard they were going to use a consecrated host, I thought once they did this, the ground would start shaking, people may drop dead on the spot, other negative results, but I have a feeling even if they do use a real, absolutely nothing of the sort would happen…In modern times, God seems to have taken the NO INTERACTION AT ALL route…example…look at what God did to deal with Sodom and Gomorrah…then look at what goes on in many cities today, with NO response from God…??
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The reason there seems to be a change is that the Old Covenant has been fulfilled and a New Covenant has been made. Within the boundaries of the Old Covenant, God’s active intervention in history was necessary. It no longer is because He has acted in history with a certain finality (Christ’s incarnation and sacrifice). Now, His activity in history is done through the Church, and it is our responsibility to act in His stead.
 
Compare these two quotes. If this is purely educational to learn about cultures, why is that guy so dismissive of our culture? This is political and has nothing to do with education or tolerance.
“Our purpose is not to denigrate any religion or faith, which would be repugnant to our educational purposes, but instead learn and experience the history of different cultural practices,” the club’s statement said. The statement went on to say that the mass will use a piece of bread but will “unequivocally” not use a consecrated host.
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foxnews.com/us/2014/05/08/student-group-at-harvard-says-no-consecrated-host-at-black-mass-reenactment/
During our exchange, Greaves remarked that his group “had never brought up the idea of using a consecrated host” in their public material, and seemed puzzled to be asked about it. “It wouldn’t make a difference. We don’t believe in any supernatural power. Consecrated or unconsecrated, it’s just a cracker.” He and his group are, he said, “Satanist/Atheists” who have never hosted a Black Mass before.
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patheos.com/blogs/theanchoress/2014/05/07/satanic-temple-corrects-we-wont-use-consecrated-host/
 
J_Peterson said:
Compare these two quotes. If this is purely educational to learn about cultures, why is that guy so dismissive of our culture? This is political and has nothing to do with education or tolerance.

foxnews.com/us/2014/05/08/student-group-at-harvard-says-no-consecrated-host-at-black-mass-reenactment/

patheos.com/blogs/theanchoress/2014/05/07/satanic-temple-corrects-we-wont-use-consecrated-host/
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The two quotes are from two different groups/people. The first is from the Harvard student group, the second is from the satanic temple. Or course, I don’t doubt it’s political. Anything that denigrates Christianity these days is socially acceptable, and usually politically driven.
 
MrSnaith said:
The two quotes are from two different groups/people. The first is from the Harvard student group, the second is from the satanic temple. Or course, I don’t doubt it’s political. Anything that denigrates Christianity these days is socially acceptable, and usually politically driven.
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I meant to show the contrast between the intent and the actuality. I hate typing on the iPad so I was too brief and not clear. :o
 
MrSnaith said:
The reason there seems to be a change is that the Old Covenant has been fulfilled and a New Covenant has been made. Within the boundaries of the Old Covenant, God’s active intervention in history was necessary. It no longer is because He has acted in history with a certain finality (Christ’s incarnation and sacrifice). Now, His activity in history is done through the Church, and it is our responsibility to act in His stead.
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Is it not more proper to note “public revelation” (CCC 66) is complete? Divine Providence never stops at any point of human history.
Moreover, the Second Vatican Council, focusing on the Church’s mystery and mission in the world, offered this breadth of vision. The Council holds that the Holy Spirit’s action cannot be limited to the institutional dimension of the Church, where the Spirit also works in a unique and full manner, but should be recognized outside the visible frontiers of Christ’s Body as well (cf. Gaudium et spes,n. 22; Lumen gentium, n. 16).
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For its part, the Catechism of the Catholic Church recalls with the whole of Tradition: “The Word of God and his Breath are at the origin of the being and life of every creature” (n. 703). And a meaningful text of the Byzantine liturgy says: “It belongs to the Holy Spirit to rule, sanctify and animate creation, for he is God consubstantial with the Father and the Son… Power over life pertains to the Spirit, for being God, he preserves creation in the Father through the Son” (ibid.). Thus there is no corner of creation and no moment of history in which the Spirit is not at work.
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vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/audiences/1998/documents/hf_jp-ii_aud_12081998_en.html
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M-Dent said:
Is it not more proper to note “public revelation” (CCC 66) is complete? Divine Providence never stops at any point of human history.
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I accept your correction, thank you. 👍

I only meant that God doesn’t intervene in the same way that He did in the OT. We know that much of God’s intervention in human history, in the OT, was done in order to protect the Covenant, in order that the Messiah would one day come into history to redeem us. That’s no longer necessary, thus we don’t see the kinds of activity by God that were seen in the OT.
 
The lack of knowledge regarding faith was made known to me. While my mother and I were donating blood for a drive organized by my older sister, my mother mentioned her sadness at the back mass. My sister didn’t know what that was. She thought maybe it was a mass just for black people and got very confused. She has a masters degree in microbiology. This is the culture we live in, where people are ignorant about faith (and yet still feel qualified to criticize it).
 
Nacho45 said:
Not the religious institution. Please don’t roll your eyes at me when you aren’t keeping up. I’m talking about this specific group.
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Well, as I am not allowed to roll my eyes, I shall have to settle for raising an eyebrow!

:ehh:

You are suggesting that this specific group is ‘not allowed’ to hold a re-enactement of a black mass unless they have first done one for a catholic mass, despite the fact that there are already regular masses on campus?

Why?

For that matter are the Harvard Catholics also obliged to hold a black mass before they can continue holding the regular variety?

As far as balance goes:
According to the school, other cultural practices explored by the club will be a Shinto tea ceremony, a Shaker exhibition, and a Buddhist presentation on meditation.
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Is that enough balance for you? I’m sure that if Catholics want to do an evening exploring the Catholic mass, the club would be happy to consider it.
 
RedFox0456 said:
The lack of knowledge regarding faith was made known to me. While my mother and I were donating blood for a drive organized by my older sister, my mother mentioned her sadness at the back mass. My sister didn’t know what that was.
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So, are you saying that you think this is a good idea, to educate people about what it is?
 
BlueEyedLady said:
I don’t see the problem. Students aren’t required to go. I find Satanism distasteful in general, but this is a group that is very politically relevant right now. Frankly, I’d love the chance to go and ask a few questions after the presentation. Learning about something, even if it’s the antithesis of what you believe and value, is never a mistake (and it’s quite often valuable).
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I can understand from an atheist’s point of view why this would not be upsetting. And that’s one of the big problems with the world today when promoting separation of church and state. Somehow Satanism has made itself an appealing tool for atheists to try to to get their point across. I personally know a self-processed ‘atheist’ who also calls himself a Satanist and dabbles in the occult. He says he doesn’t believe in Satan, and Satanism is merely the deification of the self. (Which happens to be the opposite of what Christianity is, but I digress.) So, we have non-believers running around dabbling in the dark arts not having the first clue of how dangerous it is for them.
 
Burt_Macklin said:
Kind of embarrassing, honestly. They aren’t going to use the real Eucharist, engage in any orgies, or even sacrifice an infant. :rolleyes:

They are atheists who are using a “dark” philosophy to shock and offend the religious. They are basically the all grown up version of the guy in high school went around listening to Marilyn Manson and misquoting Nietzsche. It’s embarrassing enough when you’re 17, but even doubly so when you’re an adult who hasn’t grown up yet.
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So true!
 
DrTaffy said:
So, are you saying that you think this is a good idea, to educate people about what it is?
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I think it’s a terrible idea. I was simply explaining my first hand account of why religious tradition has been so easily attacked.
 
My honest opinion is that if they hold the mass nothing will happen, the devil will be there but only to spectate and laugh. He doesn’t want to show himself, he is busy trying to promote atheism. Atheism is his best weapon against the saving of souls not validating his presence. If he exists therefore so does the Lord, and he doesn’t want us to believe in God.
 
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