How God could be omnipresent if He is spiritual?

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Aloysium said:
I would expect from someone who has put in the time and effort to earn a PhD in Physics. What’s up with that? Given your stated credentials, I don’t know what to think.
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There can be differences in where one aquires their education. International situations vary.
 
Bahman said:
None include Jesus. You need to be able to create something from nothing to show that you are God.

How you can possibly distinguish between God and angles if both are spiritual?
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Because they are DIFFERENT spirits.
 
Bahman said:
There were many claims from individuals to be Gods.
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We are not engaged in proving this point. I am merely referencing an example of what I mean. You need to able to entertain the notion; I am not asking you to believe or accept it, therefore I am not getting into ‘proving’ it.
 
Bahman said:
What claim you are talking about?
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Basically, every premise you’ve ever mentioned. You mark out a box, stand inside it, and proclaim that everything outside it is either wrong or doesn’t exist.
 
Bahman said:
None include Jesus. You need to be able to create something from nothing to show that you are God.

How you can possibly distinguish between God and angles if both are spiritual?
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God: simple essence, and free from composition.
Angels: composite essence, and have no composition of matter and form.
Corporeals: composite essence, and have composition of matter and form.
 
Vico said:
OP: “A spiritual being cannot occupy any space. How could God then be omnipresent?”

As the immanent cause and sustainer of creatures, yet transcending the limitations of actual and possible space, and not circumscribed or measured or divided by any spatial relations.

Space, like time, is one of the measures of the finite, and as by the attribute of eternity, we describe God’s transcendence of all temporal limitations, so by the attribute of immensity we express His transcendent relation to space…
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Thanks, that is definition of logically impossible.
 
yppop said:
Ah Bahman just the guy I am looking for.
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I can tell the story in simple language.
yppop said:
Could you please explain to me just what is the nature of the data that particle physicists have observed that makes them believe they have discovered the Higg’s particle?
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We have the standard model which is a formulation for how different particle interact with each other. The higges particle allows that all other particles to have mass. To find higgs particle you need to accelerate particles and let them to collide with each other to produce many particles. You then need a very sophisticated detector which tell you about mass, electric charge, etc of particles which comes out of clash.
yppop said:
also
  1. What is the strong evidence you refer to?
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That you can create different particle using an apparatus. You can measure their mass, electric charge, etc.
yppop said:
  1. Inside of what space are are particles moving?
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Inside of physical space that we experience.
yppop said:
Are you referring to the space inside the atom or the nucleus?
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A particle cannot enter inside each other within standard model. However in string theory particles are simply a vibrating string.
yppop said:
  1. Which equations define the interacting forces you are referring to?
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This theory called standard model which unified all forces except gravity. The problem with gravity is that we don’t have a quantum formulation of it yet. You can read more about it here.
yppop said:
I know these questions may be beyond the scope of this discussion, but I am certain any particle physicists with a PhD would have no trouble humoring me with a couple of succinct answers.🙂
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It is many years ago that I study particle physics so I hope I helped. :}
 
Aloysium said:
And, a universe that does not exist, does not exist.
Existence is everywhere and the Cause of that existence is . . .
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What I am supposed to put “…”?
Aloysium said:
BTW: You missed the point I was making entirely; and your response is not one that I would expect from someone who has put in the time and effort to earn a PhD in Physics. What’s up with that? Given your stated credentials, I don’t know what to think.
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Which post?
 
dahbeegs said:
That is gibberish. No, I am not saying that there is an inner spiritual layer. I have no idea what your second question could be intended to mean. Can you address the substance of my comment in regards to your original post? A spirit is “in” objects that it affects, powers, animated, etc. There is no logical contradiction in supposing that an omnipotent spiritual being could affect more than one material thing. Therefore, your first statement that “A spiritual being cannot occupy any space” is utterly irrelevant to God’s omnipresence. This entire thread is based off semantics and (deliberate?) misunderstanding of words.
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Spiritual thing by definition is a thing that could not occupy any space. How anything spiritual can then do the things you mentioned?: “A spirit is “in” objects that it affects, powers, animated, etc.” This is not only illogical but senseless too.

You don’t even have a good understanding of hylomorphic dualism.

And my second post was: Why then we don’t experience spiritual world if our soul is spiritual?
 
Bahman said:
Why his body is missed in the tomb if his new body was made of perfect matter?
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Christ dies on the cross on Friday afternoon (first day) and on Sunday morning (third day) his body is found missing from the tomb. But it is discovered by Mary Magdalene that he resurrected his body, the glorified body is not corruptible.

John 20

1 On the first day of the week, Mary of Magdala came to the tomb early in the morning, while it was still dark, and saw the stone removed from the tomb. 2 So she ran and went to Simon Peter and to the other disciple whom Jesus loved, and told them, “They have taken the Lord from the tomb, and we don’t know where they put him.” 3 So Peter and the other disciple went out and came to the tomb. 4 They both ran, but the other disciple ran faster than Peter and arrived at the tomb first; 5 he bent down and saw the burial cloths there, but did not go in. 6 When Simon Peter arrived after him, he went into the tomb and saw the burial cloths there, 7 and the cloth that had covered his head, not with the burial cloths but rolled up in a separate place. 8 Then the other disciple also went in, the one who had arrived at the tomb first, and he saw and believed. 9 For they did not yet understand the scripture that he had to rise from the dead. 10 Then the disciples returned home.

11 But Mary stayed outside the tomb weeping. And as she wept, she bent over into the tomb 12 and saw two angels in white sitting there, one at the head and one at the feet where the body of Jesus had been. 13 And they said to her, “Woman, why are you weeping?” She said to them, “They have taken my Lord, and I don’t know where they laid him.” 14 When she had said this, she turned around and saw Jesus there, but did not know it was Jesus. 15 Jesus said to her, “Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you looking for?” She thought it was the gardener and said to him, “Sir, if you carried him away, tell me where you laid him, and I will take him.” 16 Jesus said to her, “Mary!” She turned and said to him in Hebrew, “Rabbouni,” which means Teacher. 17 Jesus said to her, “Stop holding on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am going to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” 18 Mary of Magdala went and announced to the disciples, “I have seen the Lord,” and what he told her.
 
Bahman said:
But you use a watch to tell you about time passed. In reality what we are doing is comparing two motions, subject of experiment and watch.
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Two observations of position, assigning different times to them.
 
Vico said:
What is? Write a full sentence please.
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What is the point of any discussion regarding God if he is immensity. You are dealing with something which is logically impossible then you resolve the problem by saying God is immensity.
 
Bahman said:
I can tell the story in simple language.

We have the standard model which is a formulation for how different particle interact with each other. The higges particle allows that all other particles to have mass. To find higgs particle you need to accelerate particles and let them to collide with each other to produce many particles. You then need a very sophisticated detector which tell you about mass, electric charge, etc of particles which comes out of clash.
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Bahman,
I know the story in simple language; I was looking for deeper insight. For, example which of the Higgs interactions was observed that proved the existence of the Higgs particle? What was the observed standard deviation vs. the expected standard deviation and how was it determined.
I’m including the Standard Model so you can point out the Higgs Lagrangian that they used.

Yppop
 
yppop said:
Ah Bahman just the guy I am looking for.
Could you please explain to me just what is the nature of the data that particle physicists have observed that makes them believe they have discovered the Higg’s particle?

Also:
  1. What is the strong evidence you refer to?
  2. Inside of what space are are particles moving? Are you referring to the space inside the atom or the nucleus?
  3. Which equations define the interacting forces you are referring to?
I know these questions may be beyond the scope of this discussion, but I am certain any particle physicists with a PhD would have no trouble humoring me with a couple of succinct answers.
Thank you.
Yppop.
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I would also like to know the probability of one of the electrons around one of the molecules in my body to be in Pittsburgh.
 
Bahman said:
What is the point of any discussion regarding God if he is immensity. You are dealing with something which is logically impossible then you resolve the problem by saying God is immensity.
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I am asking for you to write a sentence stating what the logical impossibility is. It is not clear what you are saying.
 
yppop said:
Bahman,
I know the story in simple language; I was looking for deeper insight. For, example which of the Higgs interactions was observed that proved the existence of the Higgs particle? What was the observed standard deviation vs. the expected standard deviation and how was it determined.
I’m including the Standard Model so you can point out the Higgs Lagrangian that they used.

Yppop
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I am sorry that I cannot help you with this. 😦
 
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