How God could be omnipresent if He is spiritual?

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Vico said:
I am asking for you to write a sentence stating what the logical impossibility is. It is not clear what you are saying.
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Could you please tell me if spiritual thing could occupy any space?
 
Doctrines do impose a radical thought provoking educational tool for understanding God. Further, if you examine De Trinitate by St. Augustine you can realize that* the will of God is not separated with Himself.*
 
yppop said:
Bahman,
I know the story in simple language; I was looking for deeper insight. For, example which of the Higgs interactions was observed that proved the existence of the Higgs particle? What was the observed standard deviation vs. the expected standard deviation and how was it determined.
I’m including the Standard Model so you can point out the Higgs Lagrangian that they used.

Yppop
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I think it is humor, but just in case it is not:

Lhiggs = (del subscript mu phi) + (del superscript mu phi) - lamda/2(phi + phi - 1/2 phi naught squared) squared. And lamda is the new coupling constant.

It was not one thing, but by examining decay patterns from particle interactions at 125-126 GeV from the large hadron collider (CERN) to verify three things mainly:
Spin zero confirmed with negative parity,
Interaction with Standard Model particles is proportional to their mass – Higgs couples to W and Z bosons.
Decay channels fit what is expected: Higgs decays into pairs of: photons, W and Z bosons, bottom quarks, and tau leptons.
 
Bahman said:
Spiritual thing by definition is a thing that could not occupy any space. How anything spiritual can then do the things you mentioned?: “A spirit is “in” objects that it affects, powers, animated, etc.” This is not only illogical but senseless too.

You don’t even have a good understanding of hylomorphic dualism.

And my second post was: Why then we don’t experience spiritual world if our soul is spiritual?
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Well you’re absolutely right, I had never heard of that specific term before. Since you declined to define it, opting instead to attempt superiority, I spent a few moments looking it up. An interesting read; however, I will not do your work of applying it to any of your arguments, or pretend that merely mentioning it is a mic-drop moment for your arguments. If you have something meaningful to say on the subject or way to relate it, feel free to.

As to the actual content of your reply, you seem to be arguing that it is illogical to suppose that a spirit could affect matter, since a spirit does not occupy space. Well, you said it, why don’t you give some kind of proof or reasoning to back up that claim? I see no contradiction in spirit affecting matter.

Why don’t we experience the spiritual world if our soul is spiritual? Well, that is a very deep rabbit hole you want me to chase you down. It’s also irrelevant. Unless you can demonstrate that it is necessarily true that, if our souls are spiritual, then we must be able to “experience the spiritual world,” that subject has no bearing on the actual subject. At which point, I may ask you to actually define what you mean by that incredibly vague statement, and assert that we do indeed experience spiritual matters. But I can’t stress enough, it’s really irrelevant until you demonstrate what I mentioned above.
 
Vico said:
I think it is humor, but just in case it is not:

Lhiggs = (del subscript mu phi) + (del superscript mu phi) - lamda/2(phi + phi - 1/2 phi naught squared) squared. And lamda is the new coupling constant.

It was not one thing, but by examining decay patterns from particle interactions at 125-126 GeV from the large hadron collider (CERN) to verify three things mainly:
Spin zero confirmed with negative parity,
Interaction with Standard Model particles is proportional to their mass – Higgs couples to W and Z bosons.
Decay channels fit what is expected: Higgs decays into pairs of: photons, W and Z bosons, bottom quarks, and tau leptons.
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Vico
You guessed correctly; I was just testing Bahman to see how good a particle physicists he is. Your answer was the kind I expected from someone familiar with particle physics.

I believe the last confirmation was with photons and 4 lepton scattering.
Finding the Higgs Lagrangians in the Standard Model is too hard on the eyes.
Yppop
 
Vico said:
What is? Write a full sentence please.
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First, can you please use simple and plain English when you are arguing with me?

Here is my objection: How something that does not occupy and\y space could be present everywhere and interact with matter to sustain creation?
 
dahbeegs said:
Well you’re absolutely right, I had never heard of that specific term before. Since you declined to define it, opting instead to attempt superiority, I spent a few moments looking it up. An interesting read; however, I will not do your work of applying it to any of your arguments, or pretend that merely mentioning it is a mic-drop moment for your arguments. If you have something meaningful to say on the subject or way to relate it, feel free to.

As to the actual content of your reply, you seem to be arguing that it is illogical to suppose that a spirit could affect matter, since a spirit does not occupy space. Well, you said it, why don’t you give some kind of proof or reasoning to back up that claim? I see no contradiction in spirit affecting matter.

Why don’t we experience the spiritual world if our soul is spiritual? Well, that is a very deep rabbit hole you want me to chase you down. It’s also irrelevant. Unless you can demonstrate that it is necessarily true that, if our souls are spiritual, then we must be able to “experience the spiritual world,” that subject has no bearing on the actual subject. At which point, I may ask you to actually define what you mean by that incredibly vague statement, and assert that we do indeed experience spiritual matters. But I can’t stress enough, it’s really irrelevant until you demonstrate what I mentioned above.
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I have a thread on this topic here.
 
Bahman said:
First, can you please use simple and plain English when you are arguing with me?

Here is my objection: How something that does not occupy and\y space could be present everywhere and interact with matter to sustain creation?
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Exactly because He created it and then sustains it. You seem to forget that we are creatures, created things and created things have no business being concerned about not being able to understand their Creator. The Creator reveals Himself to those whom chose to accept this revelation and has been doing so throughout salvation history.

Those who rebel against a concept of being created by the Creator are trying to set themselves up as God, not a wise choice.

Note that just because you can not understand something does not make it impossible.

And yes, those of us who believe do indeed have spiritual experiences.
 
DCNBILL said:
Exactly because He created it and then sustains it. You seem to forget that we are creatures, created things and created things have no business being concerned about not being able to understand their Creator. The Creator reveals Himself to those whom chose to accept this revelation and has been doing so throughout salvation history.
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So you are saying that theologians are waisting their time?
DCNBILL said:
Those who rebel against a concept of being created by the Creator are trying to set themselves up as God, not a wise choice.
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You said before that we cannot understand God yet must accept God. Does this mean blind obedience?
DCNBILL said:
Note that just because you can not understand something does not make it impossible.
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So do you understand my question?
DCNBILL said:
And yes, those of us who believe do indeed have spiritual experiences.
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How could we justify that our experiences are from God and not Satan? Spiritual world is very complicated.
 
Bahman said:
So you are saying that theologians are waisting their time?
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No, theologians are some of those who accept God’s revelation.
Bahman said:
You said before that we cannot understand God yet must accept God. Does this mean blind obedience?
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It means joining your will with that of God’s, placing your whole being in His service with trust that He will never fail you. It means love in the Christian sense. He is after all our Creator and we do owe Him our lives.
Bahman said:
So do you understand my question?
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Sure you have no clue how something like a spiritual God can be everywhere. The problem you do not have any clue what so ever what a spiritual being is, I get it.
Bahman said:
How could we justify that our experiences are from God and not Satan? Spiritual world is very complicated.
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No it is simple, that which is Truth, Light and Love comes from God. It is down here that things get complicated.👍
 
DCNBILL said:
No, theologians are some of those who accept God’s revelation.
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But you said “You seem to forget that we are creatures, created things and created things have no business being concerned about not being able to understand their Creator.”
DCNBILL said:
It means joining your will with that of God’s, placing your whole being in His service with trust that He will never fail you. It means love in the Christian sense. He is after all our Creator and we do owe Him our lives.
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We don’t owe anybody for our lives. Some people have miserable lives.
DCNBILL said:
Sure you have no clue how something like a spiritual God can be everywhere. The problem you do not have any clue what so ever what a spiritual being is, I get it.
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I have tons of spiritual experience. Do you have any?
DCNBILL said:
No it is simple, that which is Truth, Light and Love comes from God. It is down here that things get complicated.👍
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How you could be so sure that your experiences are not works of Satan?
 
Bahman said:
But you use a watch to tell you about time passed. In reality what we are doing is comparing two motions, subject of experiment and watch.
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No, I can count in my head or out loud. We have the ability to recognize the passage of time without machines; machines merely standardize our measure of it.
 
seagal said:
I thought you didn’t believe in the spiritual?
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I do strongly believe in spiritual word. It is just too huge. It is not simply Heaven and Hell. I just cannot understand death. They don’t tell me.
seagal said:
Same question back at you.
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I am just told who they are when I ask. Believe it or not Satan and God are good friend of each other!
 
Bahman said:
I do strongly believe in spiritual word. It is just too huge. It is not simply Heaven and Hell. I just cannot understand death. They don’t tell me.

** I am just told who they are when I ask**. Believe it or not Satan and God are good friend of each other!
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So basically you have finally explained most of your threads. You have spiritual beings telling you that everything everyone else has been told is wrong…

Assertions you have made via what “they” tell you:

The universe cannot exist AND it does.
God cannot be God but He is sort of
God and Satan are buddies

Please seek assistance Bahman… logic should tell you if you are actually being visited by beings who declare Satan and God in cahoots we are either dealing with illness or evil lying spirits… I will pray for you Bahman.
 
Now I get why you said Satan ruled Adam… Bahman he does not rule you!
 
SilverShadow22 said:
No, I can count in my head or out loud. We have the ability to recognize the passage of time without machines; machines merely standardize our measure of it.
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You need to calm down and don’t think about any thing to see that time is an illusion. In fact we don’t have any perception tool for time.
 
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