How God could be omnipresent if He is spiritual?

[Bahman]

This sounds like blind faith.

Don’t believe everything you hear, B.

In fact my faith looks like more true than yours: Why we should live a life full of evil?, why God allows Satan to tempt us?..

 

[Bahman]

So basically you have finally explained most of your threads. You have spiritual beings telling you that everything everyone else has been told is wrong…

They have never helped me in what truth is.

Assertions you have made via what “they” tell you:
The universe cannot exist AND it does.

I have an argument about that that I find it myself. You are free to tell me that what is wrong with my argument.

God cannot be God but He is sort of
God and Satan are buddies

Yes, they are. Just think about it: Why there should be any so much evil around the world?

Please seek assistance Bahman… logic should tell you if you are actually being visited by beings who declare Satan and God in cahoots we are either dealing with illness or evil lying spirits… I will pray for you Bahman.

Thanks for your praying.

 

[Bahman]

Now I get why you said Satan ruled Adam… Bahman he does not rule you!

Satan can simply rule me. I have experience that my inner thoughts were interrupted by him.

 

[Vico]

First, can you please use simple and plain English when you are arguing with me?

Here is my objection: How something that does not occupy and\y space could be present everywhere and interact with matter to sustain creation?

How can something that does not occupy any space …
Q1. be present everywhere?
Q2. sustain creation?
Q3. interact with matter?

God is present everywhere in space as the cause.
Transcendence: God is not subject to spatial limitation because of simplicity.

God is present everywhere in space as the sustainer, conserving it in being and enabling it to act, but transcendent.

The intelligence of the immaterial soul receives *supernatural *knowledge. The active intellect is in the soul.
St. Aquinas, Summa Theologica, Q84: “the active intellect… causes phantasms received from the senses to be actually intelligible, by a process of abstraction”.

 

[Bahman]

How can something that does not occupy any space …
Q1. be present everywhere?
Q2. sustain creation?
Q3. interact with matter?

Good questions.

God is present everywhere in space as the cause.

Transcendence: God is not subject to spatial limitation because of simplicity.

God is present everywhere in space as the sustainer, conserving it in being and enabling it to act, but transcendent.

The intelligence of the immaterial soul receives *supernatural *knowledge. The active intellect is in the soul.
St. Aquinas, Summa Theologica, Q84: “the active intellect… causes phantasms received from the senses to be actually intelligible, by a process of abstraction”.

In your post (#43) you define spiritual as a subset of immaterial with this properties: What is immaterial has no extension in space, no size, shape, parts, or quantity, no mass or weight. How God could have any extension/presence in space when He is spiritual given the definition you provided?

Don’t you think the above definition is a definition of nothingness?

 

[Vico]

Good questions.

In your post (#43) you define spiritual as a subset of immaterial with this properties: What is immaterial has no extension in space, no size, shape, parts, or quantity, no mass or weight. How God could have any extension/presence in space when He is spiritual given the definition you provided?

Don’t you think the above definition is a definition of nothingness?

No it is not “nothingness” because thing is not defined as material.

I just posted the answer to how God has presence.

 

[Bahman]

No it is not “nothingness” because thing is not defined as material.

I just posted the answer to how God has presence.

First, could you please answer my other question?

Second, in which post you answered to my question?

 

[Vico]

First, could you please answer my other question?

Second, in which post you answered to my question?

I answered your question “How God could have any extension/presence in space when He is spiritual given the definition you provided?” in this post:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=13934258&postcount=124

Is there another question?

 

[Aloysium]

. . . What is immaterial has no extension in space, no size, shape, parts, or quantity, no mass or weight. How God could have any extension/presence in space when He is spiritual given the definition you provided? Don’t you think the above definition is a definition of nothingness?

I’d like to thank Bahman for allowing us the opportunity to renew our faith when we reply. It brings joy to share what is a prayer when together we here speak about God. There is a certain amount of sadness, frustration and concern for him that he does not share this with us, but no doubt it helps him in his quest for truth. Better on this forum than alone with his musings.

I understand it can be perceived as rude to speak about someone in the third person when they are present, but we do it all the time here when we discuss God, who is with us in this moment as He is in every moment.

In response to the questions in the quote, I would say:

The ideas and meanings that arise from the arrangement of the words to which these symbols on the monitor point, have no shape, no size, no mass or weight. Bahman’s response from past postings is likely to be “wiring”. And that would for many demonstrate how the immaterial and material can be one.

If one is discussing in good faith and is consistent in their thoughts, the suggestion that spiritual is the same as nothingness translates the OP to, “How can God be omnipresent, if He does not exist?” A rather nonsensical statement.

 

[PRmerger]

In fact my faith looks like more true than yours:

Based on what? You need to have a canon for Truth by which you can measure your faith and compare it to mine.

What’s that canon?

Why we should live a life full of evil?

I don’t know anyone who lives a life full of evil.

So this question is a peculiar one.

In my Faith we are all made in God’s image, so…we’re all holy and good, but Original Sin gave us a flawed human nature.

But definitely not an evil one.

 

[Bahman]

I’d like to thank Bahman for allowing us the opportunity to renew our faith when we reply. It brings joy to share what is a prayer when together we here speak about God. There is a certain amount of sadness, frustration and concern for him that he does not share this with us, but no doubt it helps him in his quest for truth. Better on this forum than alone with his musings.

I would like to thank those who where patient with me during last few years. My English is much more better and my argument is more stronger now. I would like to take my spiritual journey alone because I don’t like to be a follower. I am however open toward people opinions.

In response to the questions in the quote, I would say:

The ideas and meanings that arise from the arrangement of the words to which these symbols on the monitor point, have no shape, no size, no mass or weight. Bahman’s response from past postings is likely to be “wiring”. And that would for many demonstrate how the immaterial and material can be one.

I am not sure if you are talking about photon but they are physical. Ideas however resides in the brain through wiring which is physical too.

If one is discussing in good faith and is consistent in their thoughts, the suggestion that spiritual is the same as nothingness translates the OP to, “How can God be omnipresent, if He does not exist?” A rather nonsensical statement.

That is true.

 

[DCNBILL]

But you said “You seem to forget that we are creatures, created things and created things have no business being concerned about not being able to understand their Creator.”

Theologians study, to the best of their ability, how God reveals Himself to us. They will admit, very readily, that they will never come to a full understanding of how God ultimately is, but then we do not have to. God Himself demonstrated the relationship we should have with God through the Incarnation.

We don’t owe anybody for our lives. Some people have miserable lives.

Yes and some people give their lives for their God. Some people who have miserable lives and they offer their suffering up to God.

I have tons of spiritual experience. Do you have any?

Every day at Mass, in my daily prayer, and sharing in the suffering of others to minister to them as best I can.

How you could be so sure that your experiences are not works of Satan?

Because as opposed to God, Satan is about deception, sin and darkness, diametrically opposed to that which comes from God.

 

[Bahman]

Based on what? You need to have a canon for Truth by which you can measure your faith and compare it to mine.

What’s that canon?

Because I see error in your system of thinking which is partially due to scripture and partially is due to church teaching. You want an example, just answer the question raised in this thread.

I don’t know anyone who lives a life full of evil.

A serial killer.

So this question is a peculiar one.

In my Faith we are all made in God’s image, so…we’re all holy and good, but Original Sin gave us a flawed human nature.

But definitely not an evil one.

There is nothing like original sin. A kid is innocent.

 

[Aloysium]

Because I see error in your system of thinking which is partially due to scripture and partially is due to church teaching. You want an example, just answer the question raised in this thread.

“The world according to Bahman”, I don’t think it’s going to hit the top 100. And by the way, the question’s been answered over and over as they usually are. You would be wise to stop listening to yourself and hear what others have to say, specifically the church.

A serial killer.

You know a serial killer? I can’t say I’ve met anyone totally evil. People tell me they have, usually when they talk about their ex. There was one guy who said his ex was so evil that she met weekly with the Devil. The Devil was there to learn how to be more evil.

There is nothing like original sin. A kid is innocent.

Again, on other threads you have addressed the Christian concept of original sin and have learned nothing. You are becoming the comic relief, the person in a movie who offsets the seriousness. (Wait a minute, that role might be mine. It is actually scary to consider how fragile are our connections to the truth. What is important is to do good.)

 

[Bahman]

Theologians study, to the best of their ability, how God reveals Himself to us. They will admit, very readily, that they will never come to a full understanding of how God ultimately is, but then we do not have to. God Himself demonstrated the relationship we should have with God through the Incarnation.

So that is a fair saying that your religion could be erroneous because all truth was not reviled by Jesus and theologians could be wrong on specific topic because they are human being.

Yes and some people give their lives for their God. Some people who have miserable lives and they offer their suffering up to God.

For what purpose? God doesn’t need anything. Why we should be suffering?

Every day at Mass, in my daily prayer, and sharing in the suffering of others to minister to them as best I can.

Good for you.

Because as opposed to God, Satan is about deception, sin and darkness, diametrically opposed to that which comes from God.

Satan is supper intelligent and can take his way into you.

 

[LethalMouse]

Satan is supper intelligent and can take his way into you.

NO Bahman you need to stop placing your highest respects to Satan…

 

[Bahman]

“The world according to Bahman”, I don’t think it’s going to hit the top 100. And by the way, the question’s been answered over and over as they usually are. You would be wise to stop listening to yourself and hear what others have to say, specifically the church.

My ears are wide open to hear something useful to the puzzle I have. It is very simple. God is omnipresent which means that is everywhere and he is spiritual meaning that he cannot be anywhere.

You know a serial killer? I can’t say I’ve met anyone totally evil. People tell me they have, usually when they talk about their ex. There was one guy who said his ex was so evil that she met weekly with the Devil. The Devil was there to learn how to be more evil.

If you search back to find the cause of evil action as always you reach to God! God created Adam and Eve in the Garden with tree of knowledge and setting Satan free to tempt them knowing the fact that Adam and Eve commit the sin. This to me qualifies as an evil action. What do you think.

Again, on other threads you have addressed the Christian concept of original sin and have learned nothing. You are becoming the comic relief, the person in a movie who offsets the seriousness. (Wait a minute, that role might be mine. It is actually scary to consider how fragile are our connections to the truth. What is important is to do good.)

Could you please give me a link because I don’t know what you are talking about?

 

[Bahman]

NO Bahman you need to stop placing your highest respects to Satan…

Can you please tell me how Satan can tempt people? You of course don’t know but he knows well. That means that Satan is superior to us.

 

[Aloysium]

My ears are wide open to hear something useful to the puzzle I have. It is very simple. God is omnipresent which means that is everywhere and he is spiritual meaning that he cannot be anywhere.

Everything that exists, exists; it is.
Existence has no weight, takes up no space, does not come and go - the object does.
Think Existence as the cause of all that is. It is everywhere and beyond everything, because it brings everything into existence and does not disappear when the object does.
The spirit is “breath”, “life”, “love”.

If you search back to find the cause of evil action as always you reach to God! God created Adam and Eve in the Garden with tree of knowledge and setting Satan free to tempt them knowing the fact that Adam and Eve commit the sin. This to me qualifies as an evil action. What do you think.

The cause of everything is God. He has created me with the capacity to love as well as to do harm directly by what I do or indirectly by what I fail to do. I cannot blame God for what I do. I plead mercy because I know how good He is and what could be accomplished were I more faithful. I praise and give thanks.

Could you please give me a link because I don’t know what you are talking about?

It isn’t short nor simple for all to understand, but:
vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s2c1p7.htm

 

[SilverShadow22]

Can you please tell me how Satan can tempt people? You of course don’t know but he knows well. That means that Satan is superior to us.

Superior intellect, yeah. Not superior worth. And since satan is a creature, and God the creator, God will always win. “No servant is greater than his master.”