How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[Pixie_Dust]

Wow, you don’t believe the bible is God’s word? I am astounded!! You place your faith in your church?!!! I am astounded!!!

The old testiment is a collection of books, yet Jesus called it the word of God. The new testiment writers called the new testiment the word of God. Were they lying?

God is the center of everything. Christ is the head of the church, the church is His BODY, NOT His mind. Man you are messed up. Yes, Jesus came to build His church, but He didn’t place it over Himself. That’s just plain silly and unfounded.

If you interpret Scripture the way you just interpreted CM’s post, I don’t know why anyone would respect your interpretation. You’ve done some MAJOR twisting and distorting here. :tsktsk:

 

[japhy]

Most catholics can’t say that, they get drunk as can be while saying it’s not a sin to be drink…hiccup! They forget the part where it says not to be DRUNK.

I’m sure you have valid statistical evidence that “most catholics … get drunk … while saying it’s not a sin”, and I’m sure you going to provide it to us. Otherwise, you are going to stop pouring out hateful libel – it is uncharitable, and a sin, believe it or not.

Also, why do priests drink when the bible expressely says for a bishop not to drink.

Where does it say that? I see:Now a bishop must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, sensible, dignified, hospitable, an apt teacher, no drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, and no lover of money. (1 Tim 3:2-3)

For a bishop, as God’s steward, must be blameless; he must not be arrogant or quick-tempered or a drunkard or violent or greedy for gain. (Titus 1:7)
The reason I know the RSV translation “no drunkard” is comparable in degree to the KJV translation of “not given to wine” in these verses is because of Paul’s advice to Timothy: “No longer drink only water, but use a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent ailments.” (1 Tim 5:23)

A Bishop is the leader of a church according to the bible and the bible says that they CAN marry woman. Why does your church forbid marriage to them?

The Church has not always forbid them to marry – in fact, it is the Western Church which requires celibacy for priests and bishops (this is a law that can change), whereas the Eastern Church does not require celibacy for priests (but does for bishops).

Why? Because while Paul does permit a bishop to have a wife, he also says that a man with a wife will have a harder time concentrating on pleasing God (1 Cor 7:24-35).

 

[Gamera]

I finally got around to actually voting in the thread’s poll, and my vote was, “Other.”

What gets a person into heaven is being in a state of grace at the moment of death. A person could do everything listed among the options and still die in a state of mortal sin. Conversely, a person (such as a baptized baby) could do nothing on the list and still die in a state of grace.

 

[Church_Militant]

Actually, I do drink in moderation. Most catholics can’t say that, they get drunk as can be

while saying it’s not a sin to be drink…hiccup! They forget the part where it says not to be DRUNK.That’s complete garbage…You don’t have any possible way to support that statement since…
1.You don’t know and can’t possibly know all Catholics. (That makes your remarks nothing but an anti-Catholic rash generalization.)

1. There is no statistics that I know of that you can supply to support any such rhetorical propaganda.
2. It may be your opinion. But if it is, then it’s a fine example of how readily you will resort to unsupportable trash talk with respect to our most holy faith.
3. The Catholic Church does indeed teach moderation in all things.

Also, why do priests drink when the bible expressely says for a bishop not to drink.

Why go off topic here? But I’ll indulge you. this last time perhaps…

You err by expressing your own denom doctrine instead of the Word of God.

1st Timothy 3:2 It behoveth therefore a bishop to be blameless, the husband of one wife, sober, prudent, of good behaviour, chaste, given to hospitality, a teacher,

Titus 1:7 For a bishop must be without crime, as the steward of God: not proud, not subject to anger, not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre:

Sober and not given to wine, nowhere does it say that a priest or bishop cannot drink alcohol. Another doctrine of men passed off by you as supposedly the Word of God.

A Bishop is the leader of a church according to the bible and the bible says that they CAN

marry woman. Why does your church forbid marriage to them?Actually the better question is "Why doesn’t your church teach the scriptural principle of celibacy for the kingdom of God?

Priestly celibacy is unBiblical. NOT!

 

[Church_Militant]

It’s accepted, proven, common history. Study the history of the protestant reformation, BTW, baptist didn’t come out of the catholic church, we existed along with them although underground and persecuted by catholics.

Yeah, right… You must be the most gullible dude on the planet if you believe all that!

Please show me any verse in the NT that says anyone was “rebaptized” because that is what “Anabaptist” means.

You read something, or heard something somewhere, by someone who has an anti-Catholic bias and you believed them? If you were half as diligent in checking your history and facts as you are in buying into all this unsupportable propaganda, you’d be well on your way to getting the facts and making a decision for yourself.

When I was in the Southern Baptist Church & the Assembly of God I saw this all the time as a Bible study leader, Sunday School teacher, and deacon. Again and again, I asked people in my studies and classes, “Why do you believe such and such?” and without fail their answer was “Because the preacher, or [insert source *other than the Bible here] said so.” I would all but tear my hair because they were too infernally lazy to study for themselves and even when they did they stayed with just denominational sources even though good & accurate materials were all over the place by others.

I’ve already shown you that both “Trail of Blood” and Foxe’s Book of Martyrs are biased and inaccurate sources, and you have not bothered to even act as if that is important…but it is.

I have also shown you that your high esteem of Martin Luther is unfounded, something you should have known for yourself long ago if you really believe some of his teachings. (and you do)

Why? Because when someone lies to you in the name of Christ they are attempting to deceive you with the teachings of men, and this is precisely what has happened to you. Until you make an uncompromising commitment to find out the truth, you will continue to simply regurgitate lies and misinformation (Like this stuff) that others have been feeding you for most of your life.

Jesus said “I am …the truth…”, and without the courage to pursue truth at all cost then one will regularly find oneself led astray, even by well intentioned people with Bibles. Yet, you are responsible for your pursuit of truth in Christ, because you are the one who will give account.

Wow, you don’t believe the bible is God’s word? I am astounded!! You place your faith in your church?!!! I am astounded!!!

Everyone take note of how he has just totally turned away from any honest effort to respond to what I actually said.

Did I say I reject the Bible as the Word of God? No, and he cannot quote back to us anyplace where I even implied such a thing.

Did I say that I place exclusive (because that is what he really means here) “faith in my church”? No, I did not, and he cannot quote back to me a place where II said such a thing.

Here is the link to my post as evidence of xfrodobagginsx’s lack of veracity and complete dodge of everything that I offered him.

Is there a real response to any of it? Let’s see…

The old testiment is a collection of books, yet Jesus called it the word of God. The new testiment writers called the new testiment the word of God. Were they lying?

Does anyone see anywhere where I made any remarks that even remotely imply any of this?

Is this evidence of a closed channel in this discussion? :yup: :yup: :yup:

God is the center of everything. Christ is the head of the church, the church is His BODY, NOT His mind. Man you are messed up.

Yes, Jesus came to build His church, but He didn’t place it over Himself. That’s just plain silly and unfounded.This is the most completely irrelevant rant I’ve seen in a long time. Did I say anything in my post that even comes close to asserting the things that you are alleging? No…I did not, and I do not appreciate your comment that I am “messed up”, and it shows a serious lack of Christian love for you to make such a remark.

I disagree with your denominational teachings, but I have never made any such remark to you and have gone out of my way to deal with your posts in a rational and charitable manner. If you cannot answer me then just admit that you don’t know and that you’ll find out and get back to me, (and then be sure that you do). I can respect that because it tells me you are honest and committed to truth.

I gotta tell you. I’m actually offended by this post from you and if we were talking in person, well…let’s just say you’d be talking to yourself right about now.

 

[Church_Militant]

If you interpret Scripture the way you just interpreted CM’s post, I don’t know why anyone would respect your interpretation. You’ve done some MAJOR twisting and distorting here. :tsktsk:

Thanks PD! That is exactly what I was thinking.

 

[tomch]

There is no where in the bible that says that we can lose our salvation. It DOES give us assurance.

Wow… this is getting to be a long thread… but I’ll add my two cents worth in case it will help…

I used to be a Baptist in fact, I went to seminary to study for the ministry. As I read my Bible, I became more and more convinced that “Once Saved, Always Saved” and “Faith Alone” aren’t scriptural at all.

Anyway, I came up with 29 pages of verses that led me out of the Baptist Church, and into the Catholic Church. Here’s the link.

 

[Church_Militant]

Wow… this is getting to be a long thread… but I’ll add my two cents worth in case it will help…

I used to be a Baptist in fact, I went to seminary to study for the ministry. As I read my Bible, I became more and more convinced that “Once Saved, Always Saved” and “Faith Alone” aren’t scriptural at all.

Anyway, I came up with 29 pages of verses that led me out of the Baptist Church, and into the Catholic Church. Here’s the link

.Wow! You certainly studied to show thyself approved unto God didn’t ya?

I hope you don’t mind but I saved it for possible use later on.
That really ROCKS!

Y’know… I almost went to Baptist seminary at one point myself.
Praise God for you!
Pax tecum,

 

[Pixie_Dust]

Thanks PD! That is exactly what I was thinking.

You’re welcome. Reading his reply kind of reminded me of when I was told that Hebrews 6:4-6 was saying you couldn’t lose your salvation.

Oh, OT…would you mind re-posting the link to your testimony so I don’t have to wade through all 10,000 of your posts to find it. I keep meaning to read it and then the thread moves on and the link is buried. PM it to me if you don’t mind so as not to derail this thread any further.

 

[Joero]

Actually, when I read the title of this thread “How To Get To Heaven When You Die” it gives me the impression that somehow there are still people who believe that after dying, one could manipulate himself how to go to heaven. Well, this belief is in contrast to the teaching of the catholic church.
While we are still here on earth, alive and kicking, our life here is the deciding factor whether one can enter heaven or not when one dies. Meaning to say that after death we (our souls) don’t have any power to choose where to go, for it’s the Lord’s turn to judge.

 

[tomch]

Wow! You certainly studied to show thyself approved unto God didn’t ya?

I hope you don’t mind but I saved it for possible use later on.
That really ROCKS!

Y’know… I almost went to Baptist seminary at one point myself.
Praise God for you!
Pax tecum,

Thank you so much, CM - you’ve made my day! I would be SO glad if those verses could be of help to anyone. I’m praying that someday they will help someone see their way to the RCC just like I did.

 

[Elizabeth_C]

Yes, I voted for trusting in the Church… the one true catholic (eg “universal”) Church founded by Jesus (which has direct lineage to the modern Catholic Church.)

I don’t believe in the phrasing of “Jesus as my Lord and Savior” the way I perceive the meaning meant by Protestants. Jesus died for our Salvation…yes. But he also instituted the Sacraments and told us a way to live. Just “accepting” is not enough.

Being good??? How subjective can you be in a word?

Praying to Mary… doesn’t get you into heaven, but it can support your faith. She can pray with you when you need help. She can be an example of perfect faith for you to follow. She can intecede with her Son for you. And yes, I still pray to God… the triune God of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

 

[Church_Militant]

You’re welcome. Reading his reply kind of reminded me of when I was told that Hebrews 6:4-6

was saying you couldn’t lose your salvation.

Oh, OT…would you mind re-posting the link to your testimony so I don’t have to wade through all 10,000 of your posts to find it. I keep meaning to read it and then the thread moves on and the link is buried. PM it to me if you don’t mind so as not to derail this thread any further. :thumbsupone.

Thank you so much, CM - you’ve made my day! I would be SO glad if those verses could be of help to anyone. I’m praying that someday they will help someone see their way to the RCC just like I did.

You might consider creating a Blog and storing such things on it like I have done.
Apocalypsis

 

[CrypticWritings]

It’s accepted, proven, common history. Study the history of the protestant reformation, BTW, baptist didn’t come out of the catholic church, we existed along with them although underground and persecuted by catholics.

(Edited vitriolic rhetoric) There is absolutely no continuity within the “baptist” denomination.

Baptism is a Sacrament instituted by Jesus Christ, first administered by St. John the Baptist, and the Catholic Church exercises authority over it. This Authority was given to to her by Christ.
All the Apostles were Catholic…none of them were baptist. Christ does not deceive, He cannot. There can be only One, Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.

You are correct in one instance. The baptist church did not come from the Catholic Church (Edited vitriolic rhetoric).

There is no proof of a “baptist church” at the time of Christ or immediately following.

 

[FCEGM]

(Edited vitriolic rhetoric). There is absolutly no continuity within the “baptist” denomination. . . …

Yes, frodo has fallen for that “Trail of Blood” nonsense. A wake-up call is just a click away.

shasta.com/sphaws/trail.html

 

[jabelltulsa]

Because God instituted the church, but He didn’t place it above His word. His word endures forever:

Ps 119:89 ¶ LAMED. For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven.

Ps 119:160 ¶ Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. {Thy word…: Heb. The beginning of thy word is true}

Isa 40:8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.

1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

1Pe 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

Ps 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

We take great liberty in making the Church and the Bible or the Church and Christ mutually exclusive, they are not, the Church is Christ the Word of God be it written in the Bible or Taught by his Church are inclusive of Christ they are intimately bound together and the Church Speaks the Word of God Just as the Church compiled the Bible to preserve the Written words of God, Just as the Church discerned which writings were valid and which were Fakes. you can separate God from his Church to make the Bible the ultimate authority. However, I don’t believe we have a God who loves use so Little that he would have left us without his word from the time of the apostles death to the time of the Bibles compilation. I believe he left a church to teach and instruct us, I believe he left a Church to Guide us to him, I believe the church was given the authority to Bind and Loosen and that is why we have Scripture, and that is why I believe the church is the way to Salvation.

Another , Thing to keep in mind when using the scripture you quoted above, is that when Christ said these thinks the new testament had not been written which means that either he was referring to the old testament exclusively or that the written words are not the only words of God.

So, I believe that it is because of the Authority the Church has been given that the words of God have been preserved on Earth, be it written or taught.

 

[savedsinner]

Wow, you don’t believe the bible is God’s word? I am astounded!! You place your faith in your church?!!! I am astounded!!!

The old testiment is a collection of books, yet Jesus called it the word of God. The new testiment writers called the new testiment the word of God. Were they lying?

God is the center of everything. Christ is the head of the church, the church is His BODY, NOT His mind. Man you are messed up. Yes, Jesus came to build His church, but He didn’t place it over Himself. That’s just plain silly and unfounded.

1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

The word of God is also found in oral form, not just in the written form.
And this oral form of the word of God, will last forever, it did not end when the New Testament was written.
And where do we find this “oral” word of God?
It is in the church that Jesus established.

1 Peter 1:25
“but the word of the Lord abides for ever.
That word is the good news which was preached to you.”

 

[heisenburg]

Frodo…

I will pray for you…

With the most humble respect…

It seems you have fallen for the ‘trail of blood’ lie. In case you didn’t know, part of the ‘trail’ includes people so heretical that protestants agree they are completely false. Please study history. The trail of blood history has no better proof than Mormon history. Just because someone says it is so, doesn’t make it so

You also seem to make claims about the church that you cannot back up, Please do not bare false witness.

You have twisted what I, as well as many have said to suite your needs. No one ever said that the Church was above God, the most you have heard is there is a physical portion of the church founded by God.

That being said, if you truely do believe all Catholics are drunkards, we suppressed the ‘true church’ , and that we burned bibles to keep the people down, then please, show us your reasoning, and not just gullible reasoning like ‘my pastor told me so’.

Again… you are a guest here, you can through out any complaint you want about the Catholic church. But do so in charity. Saying well, the difference is you guys are all in error is NOT in charity.

Continuing along those lines brings your own Christian struggle in questions, and along with it, your arguments. That is because it produces fruits that are hatred, vitriol and bitter. These are not the fruits Christ said to look for.

In Christ

 

[jpaul]

ARE YOU 100% SURE THAT IF YOU DIED TODAY THAT YOU WOULD GO TO HEAVEN?

THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT YOU SHOULD KNOW:

1. REALIZE THAT YOU ARE A SINNER AND IN NEED OF A SAVIOR:

Ro 3:23 “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”

Ro 3:10 “As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:”

This all began with the story of Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. God created them perfect, there was no death or sorrow. God told them not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They disobeyed God and as a result, sin entered into the world. The pain which this world sees is the result of sin.

1. BECAUSE OF OUR SINS, WE DIE BOTH SPIRITUALLY AND PHYSICALLY, BUT GOD SENT HIS SON TO TAKE OUR PUNISHMENT AND GIVE US A CHANCE NOT TO HAVE TO GO TO HELL.

Ro 6:23 “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”

Ro 5:8 “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.”

Every person who has ever lived is a sinner and is not righteous because we do bad things. A sin is a crime against God, just as if you steal something at the store, it is punishable by going to jail. It’s the same thing with sin. Even if we lie one time, the punishment is hell, which is a prison for those who commit crimes against God. No matter how well you live your life from then on, you have already committed a sin which will be punished if you are not pardoned. If you commit a crime, and then live as a good citizen you still will go to jail for the crime you committed. Right? Just as the president can pardon a crime so you won’t go to jail, Jesus can pardon your sins so that you do not go to hell, and can go to heaven when you die.

1. IF WE WILL ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST AS OUR LORD WITH OUR MOUTHS AND BELIEVE IN OUR HEARTS THAT HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD, BY DOING THIS WE ARE RECEIVING HIM:

Ro 10:9,10 “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.”

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: {power: or, the right, or, privilege}
(KJV)

You cannot get to heaven by being a good person, going to church, baptism or any other way other than by turning to Jesus and asking Him to forgive you for your sins and save you. While these are good things to do, some people believe that they will get to heaven if they do these things, but the bible says that there is only one way to heaven and that is through receiving what Jesus Christ did on the cross for you.

Will you do that today? If you will, you can be 100% sure that you will go to heaven when you die.

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST DIED ON THE CROSS AND ROSE FROM THE DEAD FOR YOUR SINS? DO YOU ACCEPT WHAT HE DID FOR YOU TO PAY FOR YOUR SINS?

1. If you are willing to receive Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior please pray this right now, from your heart to God,

“Dear LORD JESUS, I believe that YOU died on the Cross and Rose from the dead for my sins. I ask you to come into my heart and forgive me for my sins, take me to heaven when I die. I now receive You as my Lord and Savior. Thank You for saving me. In Jesus holy name, Amen.”

If you prayed that prayer from your heart to God, and meant it with all of your heart, you are now a child of God and will go to heaven when you die.

Now that you are on your way to heaven, you should attend a bible believing church and follow in baptism.

Peace and all-good!

Protestant teaching on salvation has some truth in it, but it is not enough. The Protestant faith is no more than an intellectual faith.

Our Lord Jesus Christ spent three years preaching the gospel. He founded the Catholic Church to be his mystical body and instituted sacraments where the sanctifying grace that started from calvary can continually flow in our souls.

No one can honestly claim to have faith in Jesus Christ and yet reject the Church he founded. To reject the Catholic Church is to reject the God-man who founded her.

We are saved by God’s grace and starting with our obedient faith, of course.

Ave Maria!

jpaul

 

[jpaul]

I think this poll is completely misleading. How can you separate the Church and Jesus Christ? Do you think the two divorce?

Such a strange assumption. The Church is the Mystical Body of Christ. The Church is also the Bride of the Lamb.

Peace and all-good!

Mannyfit75 is correct. That is why i voted for “other”.

God bless you brother!

Ave Maria!

jpaul