How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[xfrodobagginsx]

No - it is only the cleansing from sins. But, if we are not cleansed from our sins, then we can’t go to Heaven - meaning that although we can be “saved” before we are baptized, we can’t go to Heaven without baptism, since nothing unclean can enter into Heaven.

You are complicating it. The blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from our sins, not baptism. Is the blood of Christ clean?

Baptism is the initial action in the process of sanctification. If we don’t become sanctified, we cannot remain “saved.” If someone makes a profession of faith, but never becomes sanctified in this life, he will go to Hell, and it will be as though he had never made any profession of faith - in other words, he was never saved, to begin with.

We are sanctified by His offering of His blood:

** Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.**

conclusion: You seem to think that we are washed clean by baptism, but the bible says that it is the blood of Jesus Christ which cleanses us from our sins.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Matt. 28:19-20 - Jesus commands the apostles to baptize all people “in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.” Many Protestant churches are now teaching that baptism is only a symbolic ritual, and not what actually cleanses us from original sin. This belief contradicts Scripture and the 2,000 year-old teaching of the Church.

And they are right! Jesus said to baptize in the name of Father, Son and Spirit, but He doesn’t say that it’s for salvation.as far as your church, it didn’t come about until constantine somewhere around 274-237 A.D. Where He merged peganism with Christianity, which is why you have so many idols in your church.

**Acts 2:38 **- Peter commands them to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ in order to be actually forgiven of sin, not just to partake of a symbolic ritual.

Then you have to answer why the thief on the cross was never baptized, yet he was forgiven. Repentence is often meantioned for salvation, but baptism is rarely meantion when salvation is meantioned.

Matt. 28:19-20; Acts 2:38 - there is nothing in these passages or elsewhere in the Bible about baptism being symbolic. There is also nothing about just accepting Jesus as personal Lord and Savior in order to be saved.

It’s all throughout the new testiment that it’s the only way to heaven to Believe on Christ Jesus.

Mark 16:16 - Jesus said “He who believes AND is baptized will be saved.” Jesus says believing is not enough. Baptism is also required. This is because baptism is salvific, not just symbolic. The Greek text also does not mandate any specific order for belief and baptism, so the verse proves nothing about a “believer’s baptism.”

**This is an easy one. He says “He who believeth NOT” shall be damned NOT “He who believeth not and is not baptized shall be damned” Think about that. **

John 3:3,5 - unless we are “born again” of water and Spirit in baptism, we cannot enter into the kingdom of God. The Greek word for the phrase “born again” is “anothen” which literally means “begotten from above.” See, for example, John 3:31 where “anothen” is so used. Baptism brings about salvation, not just a symbolism of our salvation.
**

Like I said, the water which you are referring is talking about the water in the mother’s womb. Read the passege. In that same chapter 4 or 5 times He says “believe on Jesus Christ” to be saved:

Joh 3:15 That **whosoever believeth in him ****should not perish, but have eternal life.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever** believeth in him **should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world **through him **might be saved.

Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Joh 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

It’s pretty easy to see that it’s by believing on the Son.

Acts 8:12-13; 36; 10:47 - if belief is all one needs to be saved, why is everyone instantly baptized after learning of Jesus?
**

Because they are making a public profession of faith after they are saved. They are saying that they will walk in obedience. The thief on the cross didn’t do this as you know and still was saved.**

Acts 16:15; 31-33; 18:8; 19:2,5 - these texts present more examples of people learning of Jesus, and then immediately being baptized. If accepting Jesus as personal Lord and Savior is all one needs to do to be saved, then why does everyone in the early Church immediately seek baptism?

**
Because they are outwardly demonstrating their faith as Jesus says to do.**

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

**Acts 9:18 **- Paul, even though he was directly chosen by Christ and immediately converted to Christianity, still had to be baptized to be forgiven his sin. This is a powerful text which demonstrates the salvific efficacy of water baptism, even for those who decide to give their lives to Christ.

He was bapized but not to be forgiven of sin. It is the blood of Jesus Christ which cleanses us from our sins.

Acts 22:16 - Ananias tells Paul, “arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins,” even though Paul was converted directly by Jesus Christ. This proves that Paul’s acceptance of Jesus as personal Lord and Savior was not enough to be forgiven of his sin and saved. The sacrament of baptism is required.

The baptism didn’t save Him, the calling on the name of the Lord saved Him and washed away His sins. You leave out part of the passege for your own convienence. It says:

Ac 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

This also goes along with the verse:

Ro 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved

**As usual baptism isn’t meantioned here again, but it says they shall be saved. **

Acts 22:16 - further, Ananias’ phrase “wash away” comes from the Greek word “apolouo.” “Apolouo” means an actual cleansing which removes sin. It is not a symbolic covering up of sin. Even though Jesus chose Paul directly in a heavenly revelation, Paul had to be baptized to have his sins washed away.

Yes, calling upon the name of the Lord does cleans us from all of our sins.

Rom. 6:4 - in baptism, we actually die with Christ so that we, like Him, might be raised to newness of life. This means that, by virtue of our baptism, our sufferings are not in vain. They are joined to Christ and become efficacious for our salvation.

**We die with christ when we believe on Him for salvation. Baptism is a picture of His death, burial and resurrection:

Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.**

1 Cor. 6:11 - Paul says they were washed, sanctified, and justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, in reference to baptism. The “washing” of baptism gives birth to sanctification and justification, which proves baptism is not just symbolic.

You are assuming again that the “washing” is referring to baptism. We are washed by the blood of Jesus Christ, not baptism.

Re 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and** washed us from our sins in his own blood,**

Gal. 3:27 - whoever is baptized in Christ puts on Christ. Putting on Christ is not just symbolic. Christ actually dwells within our soul.

**I’m not quite sure what you are trying to say…here is the verse…where is baptism meantioned or implied?

Ga 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?**

What He is really saying is that we recieve the Spirit by faith.

Col. 2:12 - in baptism, we literally die with Christ and are raised with Christ. It is a supernatural reality, not just a symbolic ritual. The Scriptures never refer to baptism as symbolic.

Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Titus 3:5-7 – “He saved us by the washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit, which He poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ, so that we might be justified by His grace and become heirs of eternal life.” This is a powerful text which proves that baptism regenerates our souls and is thus salvific. The “washing of regeneration” “saves us.” Regeneration is never symbolic, and the phrase “saved us” refers to salvation. By baptism, we become justified by His grace (interior change) and heirs of eternal life (filial adoption). Because this refers to baptism, the verse is about the beginning of the life in Christ. No righteous deeds done before baptism could save us. Righteous deeds after baptism are necessary for our salvation.

Again you are assuming that the “washing of regeneration” is talking about water baptism. The “washing of regeneration” is being washed in the blood of Jesus Christ.

There is also a definite parallel between John 3:5 and Titus 3:5: (1) John 3:5 – enter the kingdom of God / Titus 3:5 – He saved us. (2) John 3:5 – born of water / Titus 3:5 – washing. (3) John 3:5 – born of the Spirit / Titus 3:5 – renewal in the Spirit.

I don’t agree. The washing comes by the blood of Jesus Christ as I have said.

Re 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

You haven’t answered me yet. How much are we allowed to disobey Jesus and still be saved? Do I have to be baptized, or can I consider it optional?

It’s this easy. If we accept what Jesus Christ did for us on the cross to pay for our sins and believe that He died on the cross and rose fromt the dead and confess Him as Lord and Savior from our hearts, we are saved no matter what.

Is this answer clear enough for you?

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Aren’t humans both body and soul? Therefore shouldn’t there be both Faith and Works? Since humans are naturally working everyday (brain. because the paralyze cannot move, but prayer is still a work)?

**Argue with God about it He said:

Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;**

Also, isn’t the purpose of life to know, love, and serve God? Serving, from the heart, is a work, and so is love. When we work, others see God’s work in us. So we have to work to help people, may it be to help know God, or just to do better in life. And then there is faith, knowing. :extrahappy:

And about Baptism. Isn’t that necessary? Whether it be Baptism by Blood, Water, or Desire? We are all baptized one way or the other?

My 2 cents . I didn’t feel like reading 50 something pages.

I think I’m wrong :nope:

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

SO SAYETH Pope Frodo I (an infallible personal statement on interpreting Scripture if ever there was one!)

Robert

I am sorry, I cannot understand what you just said due to the fact that there is no way for me to interpret it without a priest telling me what it says.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

So, to be saved, we must be baptized. Right?

Since not to be baptized is to never have been saved, in the first place. (Because to believe is to obey. They are not two separate things - the act of believing is the action of obedience. Believers are by definition obeyers.)

And faith comes about through obedience. It does not exist separately from obedience.

Then I guess Jesus was wrong when He told the theif on the cross that He would be with Him in paradise aye?

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

I have already posted this, but I will try again with what I see in the Gospel of John

These Jews in this first passage I am posting are doing more that just believing that Jesus exists, they are coming to belief because they have seen his signs, but let’s see where that gets them.

John 2:23-25
While he was in Jerusalem for the feast of Passover, many began to believe in his name when they saw the signs he was doing. But Jesus would not trust himself to them because he knew them all, and did not need anyone to testify about human nature. He himself understood it well

This passage to me seems to be saying that the Jews began to believe in Jesus, but that wasn’t enough with out devine help.
This passage say’s that Jesus wouldn’t trust himself to them, because they were believing with only their human nature.

**Ok, I can accept that. They didn’t let it get into their hearts. We need to be drawn of the Holy Spirit:

Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.**

Frodo, you have just posted several passages saying that we must believe, I have posted one that says that belief was not enough for those Jews, and we will both agree that scripture doesn’t contradict itself.
Somehow we need God’s help in this belief, God will give us the ‘power’ we need to help our belief be acceptable to God.

The “help” comes from the Holy Spirit. The belief that they had was a head knowledge. It didn’t get into their hearts. I agree.

John 1:11-13
He came to what was his own, but his own people did not accept him. But to those who did accept him he gave power to become children of God, to those who believe in his name, **who were born **not by natural generation nor by human choice nor by a man’s decision but of God.

**Right there you named how to be saved and baptism wasn’t meantioned. **To those who accept Him ****He gave power…

We see here in this passage that those who did believe he gave the power to become children of God, and then it goes on to say that these people are the ones who were born of God.
That is talking about being born again, which Jesus will explain in the next passages.

I fully agree with you.

John 3:1-5
Now there was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicode’mus, a ruler of the Jews.This man came to Jesus by night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that you do, unless God is with him.”
Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born anew, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” Nicode’mus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?” Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

The water that you speak of here, you are assuming that it is referring to water baptism. I believe it is referring to physical birth because He explains it.

In this last passage we see Nicodemus saying that they have come to believe from seeing the signs, just like the first passage where Jesus would not entrust himself to them.
Jesus will tell Nicodemus how to recieve the Power to become children of God.
You must be born again.
Being born again is not just believing, because the other passages have said that is not enough, we need devine assistance. Jesus goes on to tell us that we must be born again of water and spirit, Jesus is talking about baptism here.
Jesus is saying that we must be reborn of water and spirit, we must recieve the Holy Spirit in baptism, for Jesus to entrust himself to us.

I believe the water is not baptism here.

I feel that this interpretation fits right in with the old testament foreshadowing of baptism in Ezekiel.

Ezekiel 36:25-27
I will sprinkle clean water upon you, and you shall be clean from all your uncleannesses, and from all your idols I will cleanse you. A new heart I will give you, and a new spirit I will put within you; and I will take out of your flesh the heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to observe my ordinances

I know that water is a symbol of the Holy Spirit in the old testiment.

We see in Ezekiel that we are forgiven of our sins, we are given a new heart and a new spirit, we are born again, and this new power we have in us will give us the devine assistance we need to follow Chirst in a way that he will entrust himself to us.

A simple human belief is not enough.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Maybe I am taking this out of context, but it seems very clear to me that Baptism is necessary for our salvation, because without it, we are trying to do this all on our own power, with our human nature.

**I personally like you and respect your respectful tone. I just agree with your interpretation. It seems to me that catholics are dwelling on only very few verses and not the many, many others about salvation that don’t meantion baptism. **

Frodo, what does that first passage (John 2:23-25) mean to you?

**I’m not real sure, but I don’t see how that ties into baptism saves.

You are right that merely believing that Jesus exists isn’t enough. I have repeatedly said that. The believing on Christ or in Christ meantioned is placing your faith in Him for salvation. It is a genuine heart belief in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

Notice that the theif on the cross never got baptized. How do you explain this?**

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Paul says "For, “every one who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved.” Romans 10:13

Frodo’s says: This verse means that if you call upon the Lord just once in faith, not only will you be saved, but you will be irrevocably saved for all eternity - even apart from works like being obedient. There is nothing you can do to jeopardize your salvation and entrance into Heaven.

Wait a minute that’s not what it says look:

Mt 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and** in thy name done many wonderful works**? And then will I profess unto them,** I never knew you**: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

You see that they DID do works, but they weren’t for Jesus because they didn’t KNOW Jesus personally. I ask this honestly, I know Him personally, do you?

Christ says “Not every one who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.” Matt 7:21

How can Paul say that "everyone who calls upon the Lord will be saved while Christ says that NOT everyone who calls upon the Lord will enter the Kingdom of Heaven? The only possible way to resolve such an apparent contradiction is to recognize that “being saved” and “entering the kingdom of Heaven” are different. Just because one is saved when they call upon the Lord does not, during our earthly life, guarantee that they will go on to enter Heaven when they depart this life. And why not? Because they did not do the will of the Father and “bear good fruits. For every tree that does not bear good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire” Matt 7:19-20

“If today you hear His voice harden not your heart”

Mt 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and** in thy name done many wonderful works**? And then will I profess unto them,** I never knew you**: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

You see that they DID do works, but they weren’t for Jesus because they didn’t KNOW Jesus personally. I ask this honestly, I know Him personally, do you?

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

I want to ask you this question to all of those here. How many of you can HONESTLY tell me that you have a personal relationship with Jesus that is undeniable? I know I do as a born again believer He communicates with me in my Spirit. Can you say the same? I would like you to let me know.

 

[Milliardo]

The blood that Jesus shed on the cross washes us from our sins:

That is true; however, that does not certainly mean that we can do whatever we want and not cooperate with Him. We still need to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. IN short, we need to still obey Him, not merely acknowledge Him. Demons certainly recognize Jesus for who He is; does that mean they’re saved as well then?

 

[Milliardo]

Mt 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and** in thy name done many wonderful works**? And then will I profess unto them,** I never knew you**: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

You see that they DID do works, but they weren’t for Jesus because they didn’t KNOW Jesus personally. I ask this honestly, I know Him personally, do you?

No, they did not do works out of love; read the whole of the Olivette Discourse to get the context of what Jesus said here. It’s not about knowing Him personally, but rather obeying Him because of love. Paul would hit on this later on in his epistles (especially in 1 Corinthians 13).

 

[Gamera]

Notice that the theif on the cross never got baptized. How do you explain this? … Then I guess Jesus was wrong when He told the theif on the cross that He would be with Him in paradise aye?

No. The Thief on the cross died when the Old Covenant was still in effect — Jesus hadn’t yet died for us. Baptism wasn’t required under the Old Covenant.

 

[Gamera]

I want to ask you this question to all of those here. How many of you can HONESTLY tell me that you have a personal relationship with Jesus that is undeniable? I know I do as a born again believer He communicates with me in my Spirit. Can you say the same? I would like you to let me know.

Every single one of us who has been baptized has a personal relationship with Jesus because we’ve been adopted into His family.

Every single on of us who receives Jesus’ precious Body and Blood in the Eucharist, letting Him into our inmost being, has a personal relationship with Jesus.

Every single one of us who obeys Jesus’ commands has a personal relationship with Jesus, because Jesus said that if we love Him, we will obey Him.

But “having a personal relationship with Jesus” does NOT guarantee heaven. Judas Iscariot had a “personal relationship” with Jesus, right? But it wasn’t a GOOD personal relationship. Two people can have a GOOD personal relationship or they can have a BAD personal relationship. Jesus warned us of this in the Sermon on the Mount. “Not everyone who says to me ‘Lord, Lord, shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father in heaven.’” Matt 7:21.

 

[Church_Militant]

My take is that according to catholics,

they have to do communion, baptism, belong to the church, have faith in Jesus and be a good person to get to heaven. The problem is that they are adding to what salvation is. Even though we are told to do those other things, we are NEVER told that they save us. The only thing that we are told saves us is believing on Jesus Christ for salvation. My take is that you believe a “gospel” that oversimplifies and actually subtracts from salvation according to the Word of God.

Communion: John 6:54 Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.

Baptism: Acts 2:38 And Peter said to them, "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit

Acts 22:16 And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on his name.

Belonging to the Church: Matthew 16:18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. (The gates of hell will not prevail against what?)

Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he may hold the primacy:
… 24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up those things that are wanting of the sufferings of Christ, in my flesh, for his body, which is the church:

Have faith in God: Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please God. For he that cometh to God, must believe that he is, and is a rewarder to them that seek him.

Be a good person: Matthew 25: 31 And when the Son of man shall come in his majesty, and all the angels with him, then shall he sit upon the seat of his majesty. 32 And all nations shall be gathered together before him, and he shall separate them one from another, as the shepherd separateth the sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left. 34 Then shall the king say to them that shall be on his right hand: Come, ye blessed of my Father, possess you the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 For I was hungry, and you gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me to drink; I was a stranger, and you took me in:

36 Naked, and you covered me: sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me. 37 Then shall the just answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, and fed thee; thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 And when did we see thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and covered thee? 39 Or when did we see thee sick or in prison, and came to thee? 40 And the king answering, shall say to them: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it to one of these my least brethren, you did it to me.

41 Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry, and you gave me not to eat: I was thirsty, and you gave me not to drink. 43 I was a stranger, and you took me not in: naked, and you covered me not: sick and in prison, and you did not visit me. 44 Then they also shall answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister to thee? 45 Then he shall answer them, saying: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it not to one of these least, neither did you do it to me. 46 And these shall go into everlasting punishment: but the just, into life everlasting.

The doctrine of Sola Fide (Faith Alone) is a new wind of doctrine of men that even its author Martin Luther had to add to his translation of the Word of God to make it appear to support something that it in fact does not.

(Cont’d)

 

[Milliardo]

We are saved UNTO good works, not BECAUSE OF good works

If we take this at face value, then the Judgment passages don’t make any sense, since we see there that God will either welcome us or condemn us by the works we’ve done. Good works by themselves will not save, but they are the basis for God’s Judgment.

Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Indeed, we are created to live in them; good works nourish the soul as much as prayer does. The two go hand in hand. It’s not an either/or thing.

Of course we are to be baptized, go to church, do good deeds, take communion, but they are NOT part of your salvation.

I’m sorry; again, if this is true, then Protestants in general should do away with anything that even remotely has any connection with being in a church/congregation, since it does nothing for one’s salvation. In fact, why not tell your pastor that you don’t need him and all you need for your salvation is to read the Bible? But it’s obvious that you simply pay lip service to this, since you still have a church/congregation that you go to. You still listen to your pastor. You still go to communion. You still do good deeds; why do you even do good deeds if it’s not needed for salvation? Whether or not you do good won’t matter anyway, right, so why do you still do them?

 

[Church_Militant]

Believing on Jesus Christ means to place your faith and trust in what He did on the cross alone to save you.

No problem there from Catholics.

Then, AFTER you are saved, you get baptized because you are already saved and sealed by the Holy Ghost,

Sorry… that’s not what the Word of God plainly says…as I have shown you several times already.

you take communion because you are already saved and sealed by the Holy Ghost,

Only a believer can validly receive the Eucharist. For anyone else (including believers in mortal sin) it is both a spiritual and physical danger according to 1st Corinthians 11:27 Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord. 28 But let a man prove himself: and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of the chalice. 29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord. 30 Therefore are there many infirm and weak among you, and many sleep.

you go to chuch to learn about God because you are sealed by the Holy Ghost.

Is that what the Word of God actually says about why we go to church? I don’t think so. Again, there is more to it than that.

Church was never intended to be just a classroom for Biblical knowledge. Are we not there first and most importantly to worship God?

We are saved UNTO good works, not BECAUSE OF good works Eph 2:10

Can you show me any authoritative Catholic teaching that says otherwise? You cannot, because such a teaching does not exist and never has. Here you argue against your own propaganda…

You can’t have the Holy Ghost without being saved and these folks already had it. They were baptized AFTER they had been sealed by the Holy Ghost. Ac 10:47

Please note that this was a single occurrence in the early church and was the key to making known that Gentiles could be saved without first becoming Jews. You cannot use this as some sort of precedent for which it was never so intended.

Ro 8:14

Catholics believe every word of that verse!

Of course we are to be baptized, go to church, do good deeds, take communion, but they are NOT part of your salvation.

Already dealt with above…

 

[Church_Militant]

The blood that Jesus shed on the cross washes us from our sins:
Col 1:14 1Jo 1:7 Re 7:14 Heb 9:14 1Pe 1:19 Eph 1:7 Ro 5:9

Yet is that all that the Word of God says about this? Not at all!

Again, look at what the first public preaching of the Gospel said on the day of Pentecost (under the obvious inspiration of the Holy Spirit no less!) Acts 2:[38] And Peter said to them, "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

There is no question among Catholics that the shed blood of Christ is the means by which sin is washed away, however, your gospel seems to leave out a great deal of Biblical teaching concerning salvation…and I have already shown you that several times.