How To Get To Heaven When You Die

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xfrodobagginsx said:
Baptism doesn’t get you to heaven.
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If you cannot prove your authority, then you shouldn’t open your mouth.

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Acts 8:35
Then Philip opened his mouth and, beginning with this scripture passage, he proclaimed Jesus to him.
 
Robby said:
As far as the church goes, let’s not get on people who live good lives but simply do not go to church.

That goes for all religions.There are plenty of good people who don’t attend church.

Alot feel there is alot of hypocrisy in the church climate.

Just saying let’s not judge people because they simply don’t attend church.
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You can be saved and not belong to nor attend a church, yet be part of the true church. That is what I have been trying to say in that regard.
 
djrakowski said:
Please, if Christ is the only mediator, then why do Christians of all backgrounds ask their brothers and sisters to pray for them? Are you aware that’s what Catholics do when we pray to Mary? There’s one Mediator, but there are many mediators, and you yourself have probably acted as a mediator when someone close to you has asked for prayers.

Why confess to a priest? Perhaps you should start a thread on this topic, but in short, Jesus gave power to forgive sins even to men. What good is this power if it died with the apostles? :hmmm:
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Only God has the power to forgive sins. (Jesus is God)

Lu 5:21 And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?
 
Grace & Peace!

Just for the sake of being a contrarian, I want to say that I think the original question is ridiculous. The focus of the Christian faith is not figuring out some way to get in to heaven, finding something to believe in that’ll get you past the pearly gates. The focus of the faith is on a personal and intimate relationship with God through Jesus Christ.

If you’re too focused on heaven, you may miss the point entirely. Wherever I go after I die, I trust in the mercy of God to bring me where I need to be. Heaven is only worth anything if it is shorthand for union with God or theosis. If it’s simply a happy place we go to to feel pleasant and thankful we’re not in hell, it’s a ludicrous thing to hope for.

Our faith is in Christ, directed by scripture and tradition (instruments of the Spirit’s grace!), and characterized by love, not by fear of hell or hope of eternal pleasure. The Creed mentions no hope of “heaven,” but it does mention: the Communion of Saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the Life everlasting–All of these things are fruits of intimacy with God, possibilities of being actualized by relationship with Christ; and none are pursued for their own sake! If heaven comprehends these things, great. If not, I want no part of it.

Under the Mercy,
Mark

Deo Gratias!
 
Linkowski said:
Mine did…and so do 99.9% of the Catholics that I talk to in door to door evangelism…why?
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Nope…the fact is that that is your personally errant interpretation of what they(and many of us have explained many times.

I don’t think you want to embrace truth because it will yank that “eternal security/election” blanket out from under you. But we’ve tried to reason with you and you won’t have it…will you? Much agenda there Craig?🤷
 
xfrodobagginsx said:
Only God has the power to forgive sins. (Jesus is God)

Lu 5:21 And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?
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Right. Actually those were the disbelieving Pharisees who doubted Jesus, but yes, only God has the authority to forgive sins, that’s true. And Jesus delegated that same authority to his chosen apostles, whose successors are our priests. They don’t forgive sins by their own authority, they forgive sins solely by the authority vested in them by Jesus.
 
xfrodobagginsx said:
Only God has the power to forgive sins. (Jesus is God)

Lu 5:21 And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?
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John 22:22-23
And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the holy Spirit. Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained."

Why don’t you accept the teachings of Christ and confess your sins to a ordained priest as Jesus taught?

How would the Apostles know what sins to “forgive or retain” if they were not CONFESSED to them first? Tell me.
 
Gamera said:
And in the next line Jesus says, “He who believes AND IS BAPTIZED will be saved.” (Mark 16:16). You left that part out. Why? Who gave you the authority to edit out some of Jesus’ words?
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1Co 1:17 ¶ For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. {words: or, speech}
(KJV)

Who does it says will be condemned? He who believeth not, it says nothing about baptism in that part. By the way, there is more than one baptism. It’s not even necessarily water baptism.
 
HailMary said:
John 22:22-23
And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the holy Spirit. Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained."

Why don’t you accept the teachings of Christ and confess your sins to a ordained priest as Jesus taught?

How would the Apostles know what sins to “forgive or retain” if they were not CONFESSED to them first? Tell me.
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There is no John 22 in all of the bible. It ends in chapter 21, so:shrug:
 
xfrodobagginsx said:
Than why pray to mary? Than why confess to a priest? Jesus Christ is the mediator (go between) no one else is even permitted to do it. I will pray exclusively to God.
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I sure hope that you never, ever ask anyone in your congregation to pray for you, or for anyone in your family. Because if you do, then you are using that person as a mediator between you and God.

Christians are to pray for one another - I’m at work so I don’t have my Bible in front of me - but if we can ask those other believers on earth to say prayers on our behalf, why can’t we ask those who are in heaven to pray for us?

They’re much closer to God than we are.

Can you explain why protestants ask other protestants to pray for each other and why that is wrong?
 
Gamera said:
Right. Actually those were the disbelieving Pharisees who doubted Jesus, but yes, only God has the authority to forgive sins, that’s true. And Jesus delegated that same authority to his chosen apostles, whose successors are our priests. They don’t forgive sins by their own authority, they forgive sins solely by the authority vested in them by Jesus.
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That’s not in the bible.
 
xfrodobagginsx said:
1Co 1:17 ¶ For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. {words: or, speech}
(KJV)

Who does it says will be condemned? He who believeth not, it says nothing about baptism in that part. By the way, there is more than one baptism. It’s not even necessarily water baptism.
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Go read Matthew 28:19
Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit,

Either, Christ is wrong, or Paul contradicted Christ, OR, JUST MAYBE, YOUR INTERPRETATION IS WRONG.
 
xfrodobagginsx said:
1Co 1:17 ¶ For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. {words: or, speech}
(KJV)

Who does it says will be condemned? He who believeth not, it says nothing about baptism in that part. By the way, there is more than one baptism. It’s not even necessarily water baptism.
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Paul, personally, was not sent to baptize. So what?

John’s baptism in the Jordan was not the baptism of redemption --being born of water and spirit — which Jesus said is needed for salvation. “… Unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God,” John 3:5. That is “necessarily” water baptism, according to Jesus’ own words.
 
mike_sieber said:
I sure hope that you never, ever ask anyone in your congregation to pray for you, or for anyone in your family. Because if you do, then you are using that person as a mediator between you and God.

Christians are to pray for one another - I’m at work so I don’t have my Bible in front of me - but if we can ask those other believers on earth to say prayers on our behalf, why can’t we ask those who are in heaven to pray for us?

They’re much closer to God than we are.

Can you explain why protestants ask other protestants to pray for each other and why that is wrong?
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No, because they are going directly to God through Christ and when I pray I am going directly to God through Christ Jesus. Those in heaven already pray for us I am sure.
 
xfrodobagginsx said:
Only God has the power to forgive sins. (Jesus is God)

Lu 5:21 And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?
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Notice that this verse says, “The scribes and the Pharisees began to reason…” Do you want to receive Christian truth from the Scribes and Pharisees, who rejected Jesus?

John 20:21-23 (NAB) - “Jesus said to them again, ‘Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you.’ And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, ‘Receive the holy Spirit. Whose sins you forgive are forgiven, and whose sins you retain are retained.’”

I’m surprised that, as a Bible Christian, you didn’t know this.
 
Gamera said:
Paul, personally, was not sent to baptize. So what?

John’s baptism in the Jordan was not the baptism of redemption --being born of water and spirit — which Jesus said is needed for salvation. “… Unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God,” John 3:5. That is “necessarily” water baptism, according to Jesus’ own words.
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He was sent to preach the gospel. Only the gospel saves. Therefore baptism does not save.

Ro 1:16 ¶ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
 
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