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xfrodobagginsx
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Going to church or belong to a specific denomination doesn’t get you to heaven. By trusting in Christ you become the true church. There are people from every denomination in the true church.
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djrakowski
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How much sin, or what type, does a man need to commit before it’s evident that he was never saved? Or, is it the act of repentance that proves he’s still saved, and if so, what does this repentance look like (what act, prayer, etc. does a person perform to show he’s truly repentant)? And, how is it evident to the Church community and its leadership that a man is truly repentant?
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xfrodobagginsx
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Than why pray to mary? Than why confess to a priest? Jesus Christ is the mediator (go between) no one else is even permitted to do it. I will pray exclusively to God.
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Gamera
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Yes. We agree. All validly baptized people — in whatever “denomination” — belong at least partially to the one true church, which is called the Catholic Church. We don’t believe that a person must be a professing Catholic to be saved. You’ve been misinformed about our beliefs, apparently.
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djrakowski
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What’s interesting is that nobody here has claimed otherwise. To what exactly are you objecting then?
We’re saying that Christ left us a Church, and called it His Body, of which He is the head. You cannot separate Christ from His Church. Therefore, you ARE saved through membership in a Church (though we’re not speaking merely of organizational unity, which is only a small part of being a member of Christ’s Church - it also involves loving Him, repenting of your sins in the manner He described, and obeying His commands).
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Robby
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As far as the church goes, let’s not get on people who live good lives but simply do not go to church.
That goes for all religions.There are plenty of good people who don’t attend church.
Alot feel there is alot of hypocrisy in the church climate.
Just saying let’s not judge people because they simply don’t attend church.
That goes for all religions.There are plenty of good people who don’t attend church.
Alot feel there is alot of hypocrisy in the church climate.
Just saying let’s not judge people because they simply don’t attend church.
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djrakowski
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Please, if Christ is the only mediator, then why do Christians of all backgrounds ask their brothers and sisters to pray for them? Are you aware that’s what Catholics do when we pray to Mary? There’s one Mediator, but there are many mediators, and you yourself have probably acted as a mediator when someone close to you has asked for prayers.
Why confess to a priest? Perhaps you should start a thread on this topic, but in short, Jesus gave power to forgive sins even to men. What good is this power if it died with the apostles?
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Gamera
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Really? You won’t ask your fellow Christians to pray for you? Why not?
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xfrodobagginsx
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It is not about an an amount of sin that separates us from
salvation. Paul said:
1Ti 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
Repentence is a change of mind and heart from sin toward God. It results in a changed life. Sometimes it takes repenting many times to overcome a sin. All Christians sin. It doesn’t matter what the church thinks of people, it only matters what God thinks of you. The change comes in your heart and mind and results in a change of action, although not always right away. Sometimes we need to repent several times in order to overcome sin. All believers sin:
This was written to believers:
1Jo 1:8 ¶ If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
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xfrodobagginsx
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Yes I would, but I wouldn’t pray to anyone accept the Lord.
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Church_Militant
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Yeah yeah yeah Craig …same old same old with you.
We explain it and you cry that you can’t believe it and that it is somehow errant.
You’re too busy being Calvinist to be Christian.
Thanks anyway tho…
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BeeSweet
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That’s what we ask Mary and all the angels and saints to do for us as well, to pray for us to the Lord our God.
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Gamera
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“Pray” is just the old english word for “ask.” In legal papers you sometimes still see it used: “Plaintiff prays the court for the following relief …” That’s all we do with reference to saints – we pray (ask) them to pray for us to God. Same as we do with living saints here on earth — we ask them to pray for us.
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xfrodobagginsx
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Under the authority of Jesus Christ Himself.
Jesus said:
Mr 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
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Gamera
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And in the next line Jesus says, “He who believes AND IS BAPTIZED will be saved.” (Mark 16:16). You left that part out. Why? Who gave you the authority to edit out some of Jesus’ words?
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xfrodobagginsx
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Baptism doesn’t get you to heaven.
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djrakowski
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When you have disagreements with other Christians (other non-Catholics anyways) about what constitutes the true gospel, how do you know which of you is correct? There aren’t two versions of the true gospel.
Therefore, you’re going to have to do a lot more than quote scripture to establish your authority, because many have come here in a similar manner, but preaching a gospel dramatically different from the one you’ve preached.
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Church_Militant
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If you haven’t truly done that from your heart, you won’t get there no matter which one you belong to. It’s not about a church. There is no where in the bible that says it’s about a church. When you accept Jesus Christ into your heart, you belong to the true church. The true church is the bride of Christ. That isn’t a building or denomination, it is made up of all true believers, even some catholics and protestants.Really?
So I can go to a Jehovah’s Witness Kingdom Hall, or a Mormon church, or maybe even a Bahia Faith church and it’s all good, right?
You sure ignore an awful lot of scripture in your teaching on salvation. How come you didn’t even respond to Black Knight MI’s post. I think he made a very good answer. :bible1:
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Gamera
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Scripture says that baptism washes away sins, Acts 2:38; Acts 22:16; Ephesians 5:25-27; Titus 3:5-7; and that baptism is necessary for salvation, John 3:5; Gal. 3:27; 1 Peter 3:20-21.
“And Peter said to them, ‘Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit’,” Acts 2:38
“Rise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on His name,” Acts 22:16.
“Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of the water with the word, that He might present the church to himself in splendor, without a spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish,” Ephesians 5:25-27
“…He saved us, not because of deeds done by us in righteousness, but in virtue of his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit, which He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that we might be justified by His grace and become heirs in hope of eternal life,” Titus 3:5-7
Scripture makes clear that baptism is necessary for salvation.
“Jesus answered, ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.’,” John 3:5
“For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ,” Gal. 3:27
“Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience through the resurrection of Jesus Christ …” 1 Peter 3:20-21.
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djrakowski
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Baptism is rather explicitly cited in Mark 16:16 as a requirement for salvation. Who are you, or anyone else, to disagree with the clear words of Our Lord?
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