i am homosexual, yet i am Catholic

[Maureen_Fiore]

buffalo:

This is not the most charitable way to dialogue with equinox. I have hope that being as smart as he is he is genuinely interested in the truth. Many will test their perceptions here and see if they will hold up. That is exactly the dialogue we want. True Christain charity demands fraternal correction…

OK, I am sorry for being as blunt as I was but I was getting irritated by the way he was responding to people who were trying to help him spiritually. I know many people who are homosexual and faithful. Why is he having a difficult time with the Church? Maybe because he really is not homosexual and is just testing us. Playing Devils advocate?

 

[buffalo]

Maureen Fiore:

OK, I am sorry for being as blunt as I was but I was getting irritated by the way he was responding to people who were trying to help him spiritually. I know many people who are homosexual and faithful. Why is he having a difficult time with the Church? Maybe because he really is not homosexual and is just testing us. Playing Devils advocate?

I don’t know how old you are, but I remember at his age knowing everything there is to know and being 100% right. I needed guidance then.

 

[Equinox]

Maureen Fiore:

OK, I am sorry for being as blunt as I was but I was getting irritated by the way he was responding to people who were trying to help him spiritually. I know many people who are homosexual and faithful. Why is he having a difficult time with the Church? Maybe because he really is not homosexual and is just testing us. Playing Devils advocate?

Hummmm… Funny…No

I am tired i am going to do some work now, Good Night To All and God Bless… Please carry on i will be back tomorrow…

 

[setter]

Indeed I have no idea what you were going on about I thought you were referring to the peer review part two, however that has no information about homosexually Essays of an Information Scientist, Vol:9, p.239, 1986 Current Contents, #32, p.3-12, August 11, 1986. .

I am referring to this post which I questioned the basis for your unfounded dismissal of peer review process that routinely and roundly disputed “findings and conclusions” for the “gay” gene.

Originally Posted by Equinox
OH PLEASE, If you are a Doctor or indeed and fellow medical student, or maybe even a nurse of some sort I would listen to you, but the studies you are talking about I have researched with some of the best professors at my disposal, and yet every single one of them I (we) have managed to find fault in.

…in response to this post of mine:

Originally Posted by setter
The studies with reported findings in support of a “gay” gene have routinely failed the test of peer review requirements for valid and sound study conclusions, and are at best non-conclusive.

The phenomenon of SSA is deeply rooted in developmental psychosicial factors and influences, consistent with your self-reported consolidation around a SSA psychosexual identity in later adolescence.

That is why I want to know what you do for a living, I have no idea what you are trying to prove by the way

I am not trying to prove anything. I am simply taking you to task to evidence the basis for your questionable contentions. Sort of like a peer review process for the CA forums – building accountibility, credibility, or calling someone’s bluff.

 

[8isgr8]

Maureen Fiore:

Why is he having a difficult time with the Church? Maybe because he really is not homosexual and is just testing us. Playing Devils advocate?

Or because he is not really Catholic, or because he is not really some, any, or all of what he claims to be? Because he’s here ‘to make a point.’ When others didn’t quickly stumble in the quagmire of his brilliant reparte (AKA re-hashing the same ol’ same ol’ gay propaganda), he turned to simply dismissing rather than addressing what is said, name calling and character assassination, not to mention rather suddenly obtaining impressive medical credentials for an 18 year old.

Equinox, if you are truly who you say you are, I can only say, we all struggle with our own temptations and sins, and God loves us, but that doesn’t translate into a free pass to do as we please. Others have already made this point.

Said in another way: you may demand your right to sit on a train track, you may convince others that it is a good, normal, and reasonable thing to do, you may convince others the train doesn’t exist, or that the engineer of said train loves you and would never hurt you, those of us warning about the dangers of sitting on train tracks may even appear fools seeking to deprive you of your joy in life… and yet when that train comes… all the talk in the world isn’t going to help.

I, too, have my struggles, temptations, and sins, and demanding that others approve of them and celebrate them isn’t going to help me one iota when I face God.

Best of luck to you, whoever you are.

 

[Maureen_Fiore]

buffalo:

I don’t know how old you are, but I remember at his age knowing everything there is to know and being 100% right. I needed guidance then.

Well, that maybe true but you must admit he was starting to sound like a broken record. We all question are faith from time to time but we need to be reassured and guided back to it. If his parish is not making him feel welcome because he feels different about his sexuality than leave and find another parish. But, we are all God’s children no matter what his preference is.

 

[Equinox]

setter:

I am referring to this post which I questioned the basis for your unfounded dismissal of peer review process that routinely and roundly disputed “findings and conclusions” for the “gay” gene.

…in response to this post of mine:

I am not trying to prove anything. I am simply taking you to task to evidence the basis for your questionable contentions. Sort of like a peer review process for the CA forums – building accountibility, credibility, or calling someone’s bluff.

Look i will ask one question. What’s up? What you have said through out most of this Thread is utter rubbish, and you are trying to state that im in the wrong? I don’t understand you…

 

[buffalo]

Maureen Fiore:

Well, that maybe true but you must admit he was starting to sound like a broken record. We all question are faith from time to time but we need to be reassured and guided back to it. If his parish is not making him feel welcome because he feels different about his sexuality than leave and find another parish. But, we are all God’s children no matter what his preference is.

I am not sure if his parish is not making him feel welcome because he is expecting them to embrace his “gay” lifestyle, or because he will not feel comfortable in any Catholic parish.

 

[Libero]

buffalo:

I am not sure if his parish is not making him feel welcome because he is expecting them to embrace his “gay” lifestyle, or because he will not feel comfortable in any Catholic parish.

Well, he is in Britain, I doubt there will be any mention of homosexuality at all in church…

 

[Equinox]

buffalo:

I am not sure if his parish is not making him feel welcome because he is expecting them to embrace his “gay” lifestyle, or because he will not feel comfortable in any Catholic parish.

Trying to psychoanalyse me? Go for it.

 

[Equinox]

Libero:

Well, he is in Britain, I doubt there will be any mention of homosexuality at all in church…

Meaning?

 

[Libero]

Equinox:

Meaning?

The Catholic church in England and Wales does not take a stance which attacks homosexuality. Priests rarely speak out against homosexuality, they do not use their churches to preach a message against the “gay agenda”. I can think of no church’s in my See that would permit it - I do not think the Bishop would allow it.

Look around, you shall see what I mean.

During the passing of the Civil Union Act, our CBC seemed to remain rather quiet, the primate could have been protesting against it infront of parliament, along side his fellow ordinaries, yet he was not - Britain does not have this “controversial Catholicism” as a general rule.

 

[buffalo]

Equinox:

Trying to psychoanalyse me? Go for it.

It is a simple question, asked because I honestly don’t know and I don’t think you declared it in your posts. Answer it, if you will.

 

[Equinox]

buffalo:

It is a simple question, asked because I honestly don’t know and I don’t think you declared it in your posts. Answer it, if you will.

Define what a gay life style is please?

 

[buffalo]

Equinox:

Define what a gay life style is please?

Acting on the same sex desire physically. Publicly championing and promoting it as an alternative lifestyle and an expectation of tolerance and acceptance.

 

[setter]

Equinox:

Look i will ask one question. What’s up? What you have said through out most of this Thread is utter rubbish, and you are trying to state that im in the wrong? I don’t understand you…

Really, no need to be defensive here. Nothing is up. I am simply seeking substantiation beyond your expressed personal opinion or conjecture for the scientific basis/source citation for your assertions. I can only conclude based on absence of presented evidence, that your assertions fall in the realm of personal opinion.

BTW – I have kept my end of being charitable in my exchanges. It is good to remind ourselves that we are all God’s children embarking on the journey to eternity. Let’s strive to conduct ourselves as such – it assists in hearing each other that much better.

As I previously extended to you …God bless and keep an open mind and heart.

Hey, I thought you said that you were tired and were off to do some work.

 

[Maureen_Fiore]

Should I abandon my Catholic beliefs as I will never be accepted within the church? I live in a Catholic household and have a lot of Catholic friends, if they can accept me then why can’t my church?

Why abandon your Religion because people in that parish are refusing to accept your sexual preference? If this church you attend does not accept you than leave it and find one that does. God does not care if you are homosexual, (I really don’t care) who you choose to be with but never give up on your faith.

 

[Scott_Waddell]

Maureen Fiore:

Why abandon your Religion because people in that parish are refusing to accept your sexual preference? If this church you attend does not accept you than leave it and find one that does. God does not care if you are homosexual, (I really don’t care) who you choose to be with but never give up on your faith.

Well, God does love all of us so he very much *does * care when one of his beloved goes down an evil path.

 

[Maureen_Fiore]

Scott Waddell:

Well, God does love all of us so he very much *does * care when one of his beloved goes down an evil path.

Yes, but in time hopefully he will realize it and ask for forgiveness. God is Merciful and patient.

 

[JeffAustralia]

Equinox, I wonder why you even bothered posting here, and why you continue? You’ve asked whether you can be actively homosexual and have a gay marriage and still be Catholic. The answer is clearly NO. That’s God’s rule. That’s the Catholic Church’s rule. It won’t change. No one here can give you another answer. The Pope can’t even give you another answer, because even He has no authority to change the will of God. So why are you persisting? People are giving their time and their thoughts trying to help you, and you’re dismissing everything because you don’t hear what you want to hear. You’re not even trying to listen, and you’re being rude to some genuine and caring people. Why ARE you still here??