ICE arrests nearly 450 illegal immigrants in sanctuary city raids

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That is a pretty strong analogy made even stronger by the fact that banks are ensured with FDIC therefore all bank robberies are Federal case.
 
starshiptrooper said:
That is a pretty strong analogy made even stronger by the fact that banks are ensured with FDIC therefore all bank robberies are Federal case.
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The community has very little sympathy for bank robbers. But they may have a great deal of sympathy for illegal immigrants in their family. That is the reason the police make this distinction.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
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starshiptrooper:
That is a pretty strong analogy made even stronger by the fact that banks are ensured with FDIC therefore all bank robberies are Federal case.
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The community has very little sympathy for bank robbers. But they may have a great deal of sympathy for illegal immigrants in their family. That is the reason the police make this distinction.
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But is that right?

nep·o·tism
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De_Maria said:
Unless the illegal immigrants prove to have a record of breaking other laws as well. Illegal immigrants should not get a pass from criminal prosecution simply because they are not citizens.
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I have never heard anyone who thought otherwise.
 
De_Maria said:
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LeafByNiggle:
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starshiptrooper:
That is a pretty strong analogy made even stronger by the fact that banks are ensured with FDIC therefore all bank robberies are Federal case.
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The community has very little sympathy for bank robbers. But they may have a great deal of sympathy for illegal immigrants in their family. That is the reason the police make this distinction.
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But is that right?

nep·o·tism
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the practice among those with power or influence of favoring relatives or friends, …
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The immigrant community is not a group with power or influence. But everyone cares what happens to their mother. That is not nepotism.
 
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The immigrant community is not a group with power or influence.
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You’re twisting the argument. Read what YOU said:
LeafByNiggle said:
The community has very little sympathy for bank robbers. But they may have a great deal of sympathy for illegal immigrants in their family. That is the reason the police make this distinction.
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Are the police a group with power and influence?
But everyone cares what happens to their mother. That is not nepotism.
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You’re obviously trying to twist this into an emotional argument in order to avoid the facts.

First of all, no one’s mother is being targeted.
Second of all, mother’s are not immune from profiting from nepotism.

Third. Only those iilegal aliens are being targeted who are members of criminal gangs and/or have committed other crimes in this country, like rape, murder, armed robbery etc.

So, if the mother that you are talking about is an illegal alien and/or is guilty of any of these crimes, I for one, would not mind her being deported back to her country of origin, along with her son.
 
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LeafByNiggle:
The immigrant community is not a group with power or influence.
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You’re twisting the argument. Read what YOU said:
LeafByNiggle said:
The community has very little sympathy for bank robbers. But they may have a great deal of sympathy for illegal immigrants in their family. That is the reason the police make this distinction.
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Are the police a group with power and influence?
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Yes, the police are a group with power and influence. But they are not using that power to benefit their own family. So they are not exercising nepotism.
First of all, no one’s mother is being targeted.
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Untrue. Some of those caught in the most recent raid had no criminal record, other than being here without papers.
Second of all, mother’s are not immune from profiting from nepotism.
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I already showed how it is not nepotism.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
The community has very little sympathy for bank robbers. But they may have a great deal of sympathy for illegal immigrants in their family. That is the reason the police make this distinction.
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So if the immediate community has sympathy for a drug kingpin, maybe because of community largess, then it’s OK and we shouldn’t enforce those laws in that particular community???

Al Capone was quite popular in his community, it was the Feds that wanted him arrested and the law enforced.
 
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I promised myself I wouldn’t interact with you anymore but this is too much. How are we supposed to interpret this? Do you really want to shoot undocumented immigrants? Is CAF now allowing calls to violence? Disgusting. Go back to 4chan, this crap may be funny to you guys over there but it’s not to any right thinking person.
 
Theo520 said:
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LeafByNiggle:
The community has very little sympathy for bank robbers. But they may have a great deal of sympathy for illegal immigrants in their family. That is the reason the police make this distinction.
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So if the immediate community has sympathy for a drug kingpin, maybe because of community largess, then it’s OK and we shouldn’t enforce those laws in that particular community???

Al Capone was quite popular in his community, it was the Feds that wanted him arrested and the law enforced.
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Inapt analogy. There was community fear and perhaps some vicarious thrill toward Al Capone, but he did not have the sympathy of the community.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
Inapt analogy. There was community fear and perhaps some vicarious thrill toward Al Capone, but he did not have the sympathy of the community.
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My analogy was very appropriate, and you are applying your very subjective view on individual sympathies, applying them to the group at large. Surveys show support for illegal immigrants is very mixed, not universal. Either you respect the rule of law, or you don’t. AGAIN, nobody is asking the local police to do more than they would for other people in their custody being wanted for federal offenses.

They don’t let people distributing counterfeit currency go, people who are not committing any violent crimes.
 
You are correct that we are not technically a full democracy, but the type of Republic that we are is specific: A Constitutional Federal Republic. We do not vote on laws directly, but on representatives that then vote in our interests. It is democratic in form, and that’s what I meant.
 
If people are here without papers, that gives them a criminal record. ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ARE ILLEGAL. I don’t know why that very simple, very true fact doesn’t seem to sink in for some.
 
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LeafByNiggle:
Inapt analogy. There was community fear and perhaps some vicarious thrill toward Al Capone, but he did not have the sympathy of the community.
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My analogy was very appropriate, and you are applying your very subjective view on individual sympathies, applying them to the group at large. Surveys show support for illegal immigrants is very mixed, not universal. Either you respect the rule of law, or you don’t.
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It is not about me. I am explaining the view of the chiefs of police. You can go an read them for yourself. Don’t take my word for it.
 
De_Maria said:
You’re obviously trying to twist this into an emotional argument in order to avoid the facts.
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You are absolutely right. An emotional response only clouds the issue. However, there is still a moral component that does apply and should matter to Catholics. These 450 that were detained may well be a very good thing. Perhaps (probably) these need to be incarcerated. Yet when it comes to the moral problems with our immigration laws, our bishops have been unanimous that we need change. I know some here could care less about immigration enforcement breaking up families. What I have never seen is any support for this from even one bishop in the United States.

There will be the usual complain this is prudential. It should cause any Catholic pause though when absolute no moral authority is on his side. Zilch. Nada. If I am in the minority on immigration, I will will still stand with the Catholic Church.
 
I think the Bishops should focus their energy on Govt reform in the origin countries, which are predominantly Catholic.

Even marginally good governance would turn the flow of illegals down to a trickle.
 
Well, you may know better how a bishop should minister than literally every other bishop in the United States. But might I inquire exactly why you, if you were a bishop in the United States would focus on government reform in foreign country instead of the moral guidance of those in your own diocese
 
J_Peterson said:
I promised myself I wouldn’t interact with you anymore but this is too much. How are we supposed to interpret this? Do you really want to shoot undocumented immigrants? Is CAF now allowing calls to violence? Disgusting. Go back to 4chan, this crap may be funny to you guys over there but it’s not to any right thinking person.
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I wish you would take your phony outrage and direct where it could do some good, perhaps at the vicious illegals who victimize innocent Americans.

If you try breaking into my country, I see no reason why you should not be confronted with armed guards at the border.
 
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