If Jesus did not marry; then he is father of none

[dolphinlove]

Hi

I think Quran and OTBible mention that marrying a woman and having children is a bounty from God Allah YHWH.

When God Allah YHWH was pleased with Abraham; it is mentioned in the OTBible that God promised with him that He would give him so many children from his lineage that it would be difficult to count them. Obviously, one cannot physically have children if one does not marry a wife.

If Abraham had not got married and had children; then Jesus would have not born even, as Jesus was a Jew and all Jews are from lineage of Abraham.

So, it is quite clear, in my opinion. I wonder, you doubt it!

I love Jesus and Abraham as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

so you believe Jesus had children?

 

[paarsurrey]

so you believe Jesus had children?

Hi

There are people in the world who claim to be physically sons and daughters of Jesus; from his lineage, in my opinion. I don’t have any reason to doubt them.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran

Thanks

 

[paarsurrey]

so you believe Jesus had children?

Hi

Kindly read the following post:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=4810829&postcount=1
The Wedding of Jesus by our friend **Ben Masada **.

Thanks

THE WEDDING OF JESUS

Jesus was a Rabbi and here are the proofs: Matthew 23:7; John 1:38; 3:2; 20:16. The point is that a Rabbi in Israel had to be a married man. Then, according to Judaism, after the proper procedures, the Jewish prospect would undergo the ceremonial “mikveh” or immersion in waters before ordination.

After Jesus’ immersion in the Jordan River by John the Baptist, Jesus was seen during the next two days on his way to Galilee. (John 1:35,43) Then on the third day after his “mikveh” the family and friends were celebrating his wedding in Cana with Mary Magdalene.

According to the custom, the mother of the Bride would be in charge of the celebrations, but probably Mary’s parents had passed away because she used to live with her sister Martha and brother Lazarus in Bethany. I mean, they used to live with Mary who was the one well-to-do. Martha would pay her room-and-board as a maiden servant, and Lazarus… well, I think he was a loafer boy taking advantage of his rich sister. He was probably a sick man anyway.

Back to the wedding, Jesus’ mother Mary had to do the host job; and she did it quite well by giving orders around to the servants. Also, according to the custom, the Bridegroom was in charge to provide the wine, which mind you, Jesus made sure it was of the best quality. The tale of the miracle was interpolated much later to deviate the probing attention of those who have a mind of their own to find out what was really going on in Canah.

After Jesus’ wedding, you can check for yourselves, all Jesus’ come-and-goes were from and to Bethany, the home of Mary Magdalene. Then, whenever Jesus would return from his missionary campains throughout Israel, the address was Bethany. To his wife obviously, although most the time Mary Magdalene would follow Jesus as his beloved disciple. The Church later interpolated John as the “beloved disciple” for the same reason to get the mind of the readers away from the thought that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene.

Do we have any evidence of a romantic approach prior or after their wedding? Of course, we do! After Jesus exorcized seven demons from Mary, she must have fallen in love with him. (Luke 8:1-3) The expression “seven demons” means the struggle that Jesus had to go through to extricate Mary from her not-so-reputable business in Magdala.

Then, in Bethany when Mary was smearing Jesus’ body with that expensive pefume, we all know, that Mary did not just throw that perfume at him from afar. Definitely not! she did smear him almost all over even in terms of massage, so much so that some of the guests thought it to be unbecoming. (Mat. 26:10-13)

Then, while everyone else would address Jesus as Rabbi, Mary would call him “Rabboni,” a colloquial term used as an expression of love, especially by a Rabbi’s wife. It also means “Master of my suffering,” as Rachel named her son Benoni before she died from child birth. (Gen. 35:18)

In another occasion, when Mary went to the tomb area after the crucifixion, and saw the empty tomb, she never suffered more in her life. She wanted to take him away with her. (John 20:15) Then, she was crying without consolation. In the middle of her travails, she saw a man standing by and throught to be the Gardener. “Why are you crying?” the man asked. Alas! She did not identify him; it was too dark. But then Jesus tried her name the way he used to call her: “Mary…!” It’s hard to say it in writing, but Mary melted all down and exclaimed" “Raboni!”

This term “Raboni”, or Master of my sufferings, is such a solemn and love-tender expression in Hebrew and Aramaic that only seldom is used out of the frame of deep love. It was then that she jumped to hug him but Jesus, probably all in bandages, forbade her to cause him any unnecessary pain. He would meet her later at more propitious circumstances. (John 20:17)

Then, after some apparitions to the disciples, Jesus said goodbye and left the company. From then on, the names of these three peoples were never mentioned again; Jesus, Mary Magdalene and Joseph of Arimathea. Jesus yes, but only in connection with his teachings by the Nazarenes, a Jewish Sect founded by his Apostles. Joseph had to go along because if he had stayed, he would probably be crucified for having cheated on Pilate regarding Jesus who was not dead when he took him off the cross.

Today, there are three speculations about their whereabouts. The first is that they settled down incognito in Talpiot, a small town not too far south of Jerusalem, where some people have claimed to have found out the graves of Yeshua, Miriam and Joseph. I went there personally but just to be told that the area could not be explored or visited by order of the local Meier for being under an Apartment building.

The second speculation is that they left Israel in the direction of Cashmere, India, where a Russian Archaeologist is claimed to have found the graves of Yeshua, Miriam and Joseph under the sign of the shield of David.

And the third, speculation is the one of the Da Vinci Code, that the three went to Europe and settled down in the Southern part of France in a small village. And that Mary gave birth to a daughter, who eventually got married into the Merovingian nobility.

Whatever happened after Jesus said goodbye to his disciples, I don’t endorse anything that has been speculated. My point is only to verify the truth about Jesus’ marriage to Mary Magdalene. If that’s true without the shadow of a doubt, we have only to be joyful that Jesus fulfilled also the commandment to get married and father children. Besides, a married man only adds to his honour for being so.

Ben:

 

[swariffin]

Hi

Kindly read the following post:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=4810829&postcount=1
The Wedding of Jesus by our friend **Ben Masada **.

Thanks

So Ben Masada is a prophet or an expert supporting your idea?

 

[paarsurrey]

So Ben Masada is a prophet or an expert supporting your idea?

Hi

I never said that Ben Masada was a propphet or an expert; he also had not calimed it.
Why are you cross at it? I don’t understand.

Thanks

 

[paarsurrey]

so you believe Jesus had children?

Hi

What is bad about that?

Thanks

 

[S_J_Thaikattil]

PaarSurrey is here to entertain. He is doing a good job of it because people are responding to his fiction.

 

[planten]

PaarSurrey is here to entertain. He is doing a good job of it because people are responding to his fiction.

**The topic is about Jesus having children. Paarsurrey may be a good entertainer along with being a good guide.

I am also worried about Jesus, how could he be a father if he did not marry. i see many unmarried fathers here in the christians churches and unmarried mothers too. How un-natural and unreal.

Jesus is called son all the time. He cannot be the Father. It appears that he had a Father whom he worshipped and called for help. Is it necessary that Jesus have children? It won’t harm any one if he had children.

Already One God (The Father) has children. What harm if another God (Jesus) had some children too, in the real sense, please**.

 

[ronyodish]

paarsurrey,

If you believe that Jesus had an actual wife and children, what were their names?

I believe that Jesus married the Church, the Church was His wife, and that Christians are the children of the Church.

PaarSurrey is here to entertain. He is doing a good job of it because people are responding to his fiction.

S J Thaikattil,

I also think that paarsurrey is quite an entertainer. His fictional stories are very interesting! I like to see the ending of his novels! I look forward to his movies, in fact, I think his movies can even rival the Da Vinci Code. The Da Vinci Code is nothing compared to the entertainment provided by the fiction writing of paarsurrey the great!

God bless,

Rony

 

[S_J_Thaikattil]

The topic is about Jesus having children. Paarsurrey may be a good entertainer along with being a good guide.

I am also worried about Jesus, how could he be a father if he did not marry. i see many unmarried fathers here in the christians churches and unmarried mothers too. How un-natural and unreal.

Jesus is called son all the time. He cannot be the Father. It appears that he had a Father whom he worshipped and called for help. Is it necessary that Jesus have children? It won’t harm any one if he had children.

Already One God (The Father) has children. What harm if another God (Jesus) had some children too, in the real sense, please.

Planten, the last time I checked this blog was a Catholic one. I didn’t read anywhere that it was looking for Muslim guides. Did you? If, as a Muslim, you are looking for another Muslim guide, what are you doing on a Catholic blog? Don’t you think you are doing the equivalent of looking for gold in the forest?

 

[paarsurrey]

Planten, the last time I checked this blog was a Catholic one. I didn’t read anywhere that it was looking for Muslim guides. Did you? If, as a Muslim, you are looking for another Muslim guide, what are you doing on a Catholic blog? Don’t you think you are doing the equivalent of looking for gold in the forest?

Hi

Don’t you ever worry please; remain focused on TRUTH, whether a Christian or a Hindu or a Buddhis or a Muslim tells one, the truth remains a truth and must be accepted. A truth must be accepted even from an Atheist/Agnostic; we should not be biased to the truth. That is a Catholic spirit, in my opinion. Isn’t it?

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Buddha , Krishna and Zoroaster.

Thanks

 

[Reuben_J]

A truth must be accepted even from an Atheist/Agnostic; we should not be biased to the truth. That is a Catholic spirit, in my opinion. Isn’t it?

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Buddha , Krishna and Zoroaster.

Thanks

The truth is in the Bible. Sorry but Buddha and Krishna were ain’t there.

 

[S_J_Thaikattil]

Hi

Don’t you ever worry please; remain focused on TRUTH, whether a Christian or a Hindu or a Buddhis or a Muslim tells one, the truth remains a truth and must be accepted. A truth must be accepted even from an Atheist/Agnostic; we should not be biased to the truth. That is a Catholic spirit, in my opinion. Isn’t it?

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Buddha , Krishna and Zoroaster.

Thanks

PaarSurrey, of course I’m open to truth and beauty from anywhere, from anyone. Yes, I’m universally catholic and liberal. I’m open to the truth and beauty in all religions and in atheism. I’m enriched with the good in all of them. I am a Syro Malabar Catholic by Baptism, Holy Communion and Confirmation, attending Roman Catholic Church by choice and remain a Christian by conviction.

But you write fiction without any truth and beauty.

 

[paarsurrey]

PaarSurrey, of course I’m open to truth and beauty from anywhere, from anyone. Yes, I’m universally catholic and liberal. I’m open to the truth and beauty in all religions and in atheism. I’m enriched with the good in all of them. I am a Syro Malabar Catholic by Baptism, Holy Communion and Confirmation, attending Roman Catholic Church by choice and remain a Christian by conviction.

Hi

You intended to mention the miracle worked by St. Thomas in front of the Hindu priests. Please

I love Jesus, Mary and Second Coming 1835-1908

Thanks

 

[swariffin]

Hi

I never said that Ben Masada was a propphet or an expert; he also had not calimed it.
Why are you cross at it? I don’t understand.

Thanks

Then wait until he post his own view about Islam. Hey, I don’t want to pray for a great war that the Jewish and Muslim annihilated each other, and we take what ever left from such war. Nothing to be gained from that.

 

[swariffin]

**The topic is about Jesus having children. Paarsurrey may be a good entertainer along with being a good guide.

I am also worried about Jesus, how could he be a father if he did not marry. i see many unmarried fathers here in the christians churches and unmarried mothers too. How un-natural and unreal.

Jesus is called son all the time. He cannot be the Father. It appears that he had a Father whom he worshipped and called for help. Is it necessary that Jesus have children? It won’t harm any one if he had children.

Already One God (The Father) has children. What harm if another God (Jesus) had some children too, in the real sense, please**.

Of course the position of Jesus as 100% human and 100% God is harmful to you. Even half human and half God is already more powerful compared to Muhammad.

 

[swariffin]

Hi

Don’t you ever worry please; remain focused on TRUTH, whether a Christian or a Hindu or a Buddhis or a Muslim tells one, the truth remains a truth and must be accepted. A truth must be accepted even from an Atheist/Agnostic; we should not be biased to the truth. That is a Catholic spirit, in my opinion. Isn’t it?

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Buddha , Krishna and Zoroaster.

Thanks

What TRUTH your are talking about, your TRUTH?

 

[planten]

Of course the position of Jesus as 100% human and 100% God is harmful to you. Even half human and half God is already more powerful compared to Muhammad.

** swariffin, it is another of your miracles: Jesus being 100% man and 100% God at the same time. Is it not a joke? And when do you know that he is acting as a man and when is he acting as a God?**

 

[swariffin]

** swariffin, it is another of your miracles: Jesus being 100% man and 100% God at the same time. Is it not a joke? And when do you know that he is acting as a man and when is he acting as a God?**

It is God’s miracle, not mine. I am just a sinful human not worthy to see God. But, I am joyful that the God came to me, make His word to become human, so He can talk to me human to human. He certainly understand me, but I can understand Him directly without any need of any prophets (they are just helpers), only when He talks to me in a form of human being, with human language, and given the examples as what human can do to obey God. I can never understand God directly with my own ability. I am too worthless, too stupid, too dirty and too weak and cannot withstand the power of God, if God talk to me in a direct God-to-human way of communication.

 

[paarsurrey]

Hi

Jesus could assert himself for his claims and reasons; he needed no Paul/s, in my opinion; I love Jesus for his wisdom. Jesus feared nobody except GodAllahYHWH whose humble servant Jesus was, in my opinion.

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Adam and John the Baptist.

Thanks