If Jesus did not marry; then he is father of none

[Reuben_J]

** swariffin, it is another of your miracles: Jesus being 100% man and 100% God at the same time. Is it not a joke? And when do you know that he is acting as a man and when is he acting as a God?**

I don’t mind you concocted the phrase ‘100% man 100% God’. Christians do not speak of their God this way but I give allowance for you seeing that you are not a Christian. But similarly if Christians may use their own phrase to describe your belief and your prophet, please do understand them. Do to others what you want to be done to you.

**Jesus is true God and true man **- that’s the right phrase. Being so it an awesome grace to human kinds that brings salvation to them. Christians stand firm on this belief which brings liberation and freedom for them perhaps as much as Islam does to you. Your insinuation is uncalled for and obviously you do not practice what you preach. It is easy to take offence but difficult to see it when it is done on others, eh?

 

[planten]

I don’t mind you concocted the phrase ‘100% man 100% God’. Christians do not speak of their God this way but I give allowance for you seeing that you are not a Christian. But similarly if Christians may use their own phrase to describe your belief and your prophet, please do understand them. Do to others what you want to be done to you.

**Reuben, please read post #74 where swariffin posts as follows:

Of course the position of Jesus as 100% human and 100% God is harmful to you**

 

[Reuben_J]

**Reuben, please read post #74 where swariffin posts as follows:

Of course the position of Jesus as 100% human and 100% God is harmful to you**

It might be said in a context and in sarcasm. Sometimes my fellow Christians like to go along with your nonsense and make themselves sound absurd in the process.

In any case, my correction still stand.

 

[paarsurrey]

I don’t mind you concocted the phrase ‘100% man 100% God’. Christians do not speak of their God this way but I give allowance for you seeing that you are not a Christian.

Hi

How would you like to rephrase the sentence; with a reference from Bible when you rephrase it yourself?

I love Jesus and Mary

Thanks

 

[swariffin]

Hi

Jesus could assert himself for his claims and reasons; he needed no Paul/s, in my opinion; I love Jesus for his wisdom. Jesus feared nobody except GodAllahYHWH whose humble servant Jesus was, in my opinion.

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Adam and John the Baptist.

Thanks

In that case, when Muhammad is dead, Islam must be dead too.

 

[swariffin]

Hi

How would you like to rephrase the sentence; with a reference from Bible when you rephrase it yourself?

I love Jesus and Mary

Thanks

Jesus said (as seen and heard by other human being) “I and the Father, are ONE” (John 10:30). Jesus was seen and heard and can be touched as another human being. And Jesus said, the human being named Jesus and God the Father are ONE. If you don’t understand, don’t say there is no proof. There is a proof, but you just don’t understand it.

 

[planten]

I don’t mind you concocted the phrase ‘100% man 100% God’. Christians do not speak of their God this way but I give allowance for you seeing that you are not a Christian. But similarly if Christians may use their own phrase to describe your belief and your prophet, please do understand them. Do to others what you want to be done to you.

**Jesus is true God and true man **- that’s the right phrase. Being so it an awesome grace to human kinds that brings salvation to them. Christians stand firm on this belief which brings liberation and freedom for them perhaps as much as Islam does to you. Your insinuation is uncalled for and obviously you do not practice what you preach. It is easy to take offence but difficult to see it when it is done on others, eh?

**Reuben, what do you mean by Jesus is true God and true man? what is menat by true? That is what swariffin was trying to say, i.e. True in the sense that jesus was 100 man % and 100 % God.

You are using the word “True”. Did any one say that he was not true? It is your complicated beliefs such as 100% man and 100% God which are creating chaos.

Some Catholic said, “Jesus is God. God is not Jesus.” Another anomaly and mystery. Some Catholics are denying that jesus ha dany book or gave any book to any one. Some Catholics are teaching that Jesus was not a prophet.

You please look after such people who are creating more problems in your group.**

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

Jesus did Marry his bride the Catholic church, we celebrate our wedding and exchange vows during worship including the heavens here is one example from** Revelations 19:6
Then I heard something like the sound of a great multitude or the sound of rushing water or mighty peals of thunder, as they said: “Alleluia! The Lord has established his reign, (our) God, the almighty.
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Let us rejoice and be glad and give him glory. For the wedding day of the Lamb 3 has come, his bride has made herself ready.
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She was allowed to wear a bright, clean linen garment.” (The linen represents the righteous deeds of the holy ones.) 4
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Then the angel said to me, “Write this: Blessed 5 are those who have been called to the wedding feast of the Lamb.” And he said to me, “These words are true; they come from God.” **

So yes the Father in heaven has many children who call him “Abba” Father. The bridegroom Jesus is not lacking in any way from the blessings of Marriage.

Upon reading your posts, maybe the focus should be on Jesus humanity before one graduates to his revealed divinity. Trying to explain Spiritual Realities to a carnal mind of the world only looks like foolishness to the world for these cannot understand the things of the Spirit. Only God can help them see with eyes to see and ears to hear.

Praying for the Holy Spirit assistance for these;

 

[planten]

Gabriel of 12, do you really believe that any one can be married to the church? Do you have anything real in your beliefs? Or you have all supposed and metaphorical things with you?

 

[dolphinlove]

Gabriel of 12, do you really believe that any one can be married to the church? Do you have anything real in your beliefs? Or you have all supposed and metaphorical things with you?

Do you think it should be legal for a 58 year old man to have sex with a 9year old?
Do you have anything believable in your religion?

 

[Reuben_J]

**Reuben, what do you mean by Jesus is true God and true man? what is menat by true? That is what swariffin was trying to say, i.e. True in the sense that jesus was 100 man % and 100 % God.

You are using the word “True”. Did any one say that he was not true? It is your complicated beliefs such as 100% man and 100% God which are creating chaos.

You please look after such people who are creating more problems in your group.**

If you understand what he meant by 100% man, then so be it. In an ordinary sense that’s simplistic enough for people like you who do not understand the concept of true God and true man. Then again what is 100%? One of you said he must marry and have children. If that’s your understanding of it, then that’s wrong. Therefore the correct usage would be true God and true man. He is a true man because he IS a man but man comes in all kinds. Jesus has an exception – he does not sin.

There is no chaos and no difficulty. I don’t know what’s in that head of yours but certainly there is not much if you cannot understand this simple fact.

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

Gabriel of 12, do you really believe that any one can be married to the church? Do you have anything real in your beliefs? Or you have all supposed and metaphorical things with you?

Forgive me, if you do not have an understanding of what, who is the body of Jesus Christ? The Catholic church is a breathing, living fully human and fully divine. If you relate the Catholic church to a building? then you have much to learn about God and his body in the Catholic church.

What I have introduced to you is not metaphorical in the least. What I describe to you are Spiritual realities described in Spiritual terms. Maybe this topic of Marriage is much for you to digest.

As far as Jesus being Married, Sacred Scripture nor Sacred Tradition never believed or taught such a thing. How you pretend to distort the scriptures to reveal Jesus being married in the flesh as a Rabbi, only reveals your limit to the Spirit of God himself.

Please read Ephesians 4- 5:21-32 to get a grasp of the Catholic church being the body of Jesus Christ in Marriage.

Here is a Sacred Scripture to support what I have just said to you.

1Cor.2:9
But as it is written: **“What eye has not seen, and ear has not heard, and what has not entered the human heart, what God has prepared for those who love him,” **
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this God has revealed to us through the Spirit.For the Spirit scrutinizes everything, even the depths of God.
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Among human beings, who knows what pertains to a person except the spirit of the person that is within? Similarly, no one knows what pertains to God except the Spirit of God.
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We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit that is from God, so that we may understand the things freely given us by God.
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**And we speak about them not with words taught by human wisdom, but with words taught by the Spirit, describing spiritual realities in spiritual terms. 7 **
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**Now the natural person 8 does not accept what pertains to the Spirit of God, for to him it is foolishness, and he cannot understand it, because it is judged spiritually.
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The spiritual person, however, can judge everything but is not subject to judgment 9 by anyone.
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For “who has known the mind of the Lord, so as to counsel him?” But we have the mind of Christ. **

 

[WarriorAngel]

Hi

I would add further.

ISAIAS 9:

This is proof He was of a Triune Single God.
Hard to comprehend, but He is One with the Father - and therefore the Father is in Him and He in the Father.

AS THE CREATOR and all things created for Him - He is already a parent.

Isaias said Who He was - whether or not you can understand that - doesn’t change He is what and Whom He is.

 

[WarriorAngel]

** swariffin, it is another of your miracles: Jesus being 100% man and 100% God at the same time. Is it not a joke? And when do you know that he is acting as a man and when is he acting as a God?**

Not that this is actually a good comparison, but for now its the best i think will help you understand…

You are human - and you have a soul - and you are 100% mortal flesh and 100% soul. [the part of that will go to Heaven without the mortal remains] that will die and be buried.

Altho Jesus is more complicated.

I should instead get an early father of the Church to quote for you.

How is anyone 50% human?
Or 50% anything?

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Are you 50% human?

 

[WarriorAngel]

The Council of Nicaea settled the question that Christ was God in AD 325.

 

[planten]

Not that this is actually a good comparison, but for now its the best i think will help you understand…

You are human - and you have a soul - and you are 100% mortal flesh and 100% soul. [the part of that will go to Heaven without the mortal remains] that will die and be buried.

Altho Jesus is more complicated.

I should instead get an early father of the Church to quote for you.

How is anyone 50% human?
Or 50% anything?

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Are you 50% human?

**W A, thanks. Please see Isaiah 9 below:

ISAIAS 9:

6 For a CHILD IS BORN to us, and a son is given to us, and the government is upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called, Wonderful, Counsellor, God the Mighty, the Father of the world to come, the Prince of Peace.

**

In physical sense as our Catholics friends imagine; Jesus could get no government nor he tried to have one.

The above remark was from Paar. Now may I suggest that you people are taking too much on your shoulders, more than Jesus had.

1. A son is born to us. Born to whom? Is there any name of party mentioned. Sons have been born for hundreds of years. Why are you taking it to mean Jesus?
2. The government on his shoulder. Please be real. When was there any government on the shoulder of Jesus?
3. The rest of the words, Wonderful, Counsellor, God the Mighty, the Father of the world to come, the Prince of Peace. do not apply to Jesus. He did not take any advice from any one and did not take any opinion. His name is not mentioned in these verses. The name of his mother is not mentioned.

Prince of Peace: surely not. Jesus himself said " Do not think I have come to make peace in the world…" Did you read that in the bibleNT??

There was no God the Mighty in Jesus. He suffered as humble servant of God and unwillingly went up the cross for the worst punishment. (He prayed hard to avoid the cup.)

I cannot understand why you ascribe anything and everything to Jesus which may be found useful to you. There is no mention of Jesus in those verses of Isaiah 9.

Previosly, you people tried to ascribe the words of Deut 18:18 to Jesus too. That is a bad practice. Now some of you here are denying that Jesus was a prophet at all. What message are you giving to the world at large?

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

Planten leaving Catholic theology aside; Can you explain why this first century JEW Thomas referred to Jesus as “My Lord and MY God”

John 20:26
Now a week later his disciples were again inside and Thomas was with them. Jesus came, although the doors were locked, and stood in their midst and said, “Peace be with you.”
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Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here and see my hands, and bring your hand and put it into my side, and do not be unbelieving, but believe.”
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17 **Thomas answered and said to him, “My Lord and my God!” **
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18 Jesus said to him, “Have you come to believe because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and have believed.”
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19 Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of (his) disciples that are not written in this book.
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But these are written that you may (come to) believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that through this belief you may have life in his name.

When Jesus resurrected from the dead and revealed himself, why did Jesus recieve this worship from Thomas and not rebuke him?

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

**
I cannot understand why you ascribe anything and everything to Jesus which may be found useful to you. There is no mention of Jesus in those verses of Isaiah 9.

Previosly, you people tried to ascribe the words of Deut 18:18 to Jesus too. That is a bad practice. Now some of you here are denying that Jesus was a prophet at all. What message are you giving to the world at large?**

planten; what you are resisting here is a biblical study called “typology” do you understand the meaning of this biblical study into the scriptures? It is very ancient. Many of the writers of the books of the bible referred to this “type” in their writings to bring this message of God to humanity or to those who would have ears and eyes to see.

 

[mangy_dog]

Hi

Well you claim for Jesus is not of a man; your claim is for a perfect man, and a perfect man must marry and have children, only then we could know he his behaviour was with his wife/wives and his sons. One cannot look on Jesus as an examplary Model of a husband or as a father to his sons, so essential for a family. Why should one deny Jesus of this natural instincts gifted to him by GodAllahYHWH? Just for some imaginary sins of the Catholics and their atonement. Can’t one stop sinning so that there is no need for this imaginary sacrifice, that never happened, for Jesus’ sake.

Let Jesus enjoy his life; like you all yourself enjoy so much. Why to make him a scape goat, for nothing?

One could however differe with me with solid reasons; that is one’s birth right.

I love Jesus and Mary

Thanks

Jesus Christ is God. The entirety of the Divinity is manifest in the person of Jesus Christ.

So, He is Father of all creation and of all the living. He is the Word Incarnate, that is the Word of God (Logos). God speaks and it is Jesus. Begotten, not made, one in being with the Father, thru Him all things were made.

I’m sure you’ve heard all this before.

 

[Reuben_J]

planten; what you are resisting here is a biblical study called “typology” do you understand the meaning of this biblical study into the scriptures? It is very ancient. Many of the writers of the books of the bible referred to this “type” in their writings to bring this message of God to humanity or to those who would have ears and eyes to see.

You did a good job there. However you may need to tailor your explanation to a level where even a real nimcompoop can undertsand otherwise much of the gems will be lost. Like it is said, do not give pearls to the swines, but still it’s worth the try.