I certainly believe that ALL THINGS are possible for God, and when He makes it known through the only authority with which we are to fully believe in matters of faith and morals that your “goofy scenario” is a fact, I’ll believe it!
Little Buckeroo, you’re rapidly losing all credibility in your hardheadedness in this matter.
I believe what God tells us via His way of telling us which we can believe.
GOD would only do that via the Magisterium. If God told me that He “was a pencil” (whatever that means?) via the Magisterium, then I’d take His word for it.
But in my scenario, it is Jesus Who is calling Himself a pencil.
Please go to the Church for why it is that private revelation is to be taken to the Church for verification. I’m not going to argue facts with the ignorant.
What are you saying? Only the Church is authorized to decide that miracles are miracles.
Yes, but you are missing the fact that Jesus did not randomly pick up an item and declare His presence…Bread of the Presence was around BEFORE He came to Earth…King David gives his starving troops Bread of the Presence that was reserved only for priests…in 1 Samuel. Also, Jesus was in the middle of the Sedar and He offered the wine cup that was the Cup of the Covenant - He was creating a NEW COVENANT…so, bread and wine were not because they happen to be in His hand…if you study the history, Catholics are not going only by the words of Jesus - though they would be enough, but also by His actions and His following of Jewish tradition!
This is the last time I’m going into this with you.
How is it “requiring scholarly proof to believe” to accept only the God-given gift of the Magisterium for what to believe is true?
That would only apply if the question was:
When the Magisterium tells me that, for whatever “interesting” reason, Jesus has become “a pencil”, then I’ll believe that that is true.
Syele;3286183:
You can respond to two things in one post. Many forums across the net will actually auto merge posts to stop people from posting one after the other like that (I know of one that bans people for it too) they include it right in with stuff like no one word posts and no posts in all caps. I’m not a mod here so you don’t have to listen to me. But I have been in forums all over the net for years and just thought I’d ask. I said it was rude thinking maybe you jsut didn’t know people would see it that way. When you top a thread with a new post, people click on it and read a post by 2ndgen, then you do it again seconds later, the reader ends up having to reopen the thread 3 or 4 times just to see all of what you have to say. Of course it’s just a forum, that doesn’t mean your actions don’t affect other people besides yourself. You don’t have to do anything to meet “my” needs, I will not even say anything about it again. If someone posted every post in all caps I’d have asked them to stop, noted it was rude, and said please too.
In other words, tailor my responses to those who I’m responding to to suit “your” needs?
How it’s “rude” is odd to me.
It’s “just” a forum…how responding to those who ask me questions when no one else is responding to the thread is rude is beyond me (“that” I’m having trouble accepting).
So what, I’m supposed to wait to express myself until someone adds a response? What if no one responds to the thread for days?
Wouldn’t it be “rude” of me to “not” respond to those who have asked me a question?
This isn’t about The Eucharist as much as it is about blind obedience.
There IS NO WAY for me to know that my private relevation is what it says it is. This is utterly true. Therefore, I can’t take it as truth until it is verified as true, which is the function of the Church.
…and once again, I can’t know that, which obliterates your scenario as possible as stated.
Now, this is the position of a protestant, which you obviously are. You’re welcomed to your protestant way of doing things.
But they DIDN’T know what even their own scripture said about the Messiah! That is where you’re wrong.
Anyone else want to disabuse this person from his grave and mortal errors?
How is this being a Catholic, to NOT believe the Church?
