If There Is No Heaven Will You Still Love God?

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jkiernan56 said:
What you bring up I’m not so sure about. My understanding is that the Resurrection did not happen until Christ rose from the dead body and soul. Before Christ, were there people already in Heaven body and soul? I’m not so sure about that … anyone know more about this?
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I’m not totally sure either. But they did go up body and soul. Perhaps to await our Lords descent into hell. Grace was given in anticipation of Christs redemptive work since the begining as an example. Does anyone know a definitive answer to what happened to these prophets?:confused:

And I’m very concerned about if they would love God if there was no heaven - would they have still been prophets:D

Many people loved God before they knew there was eternal life - the heaven of the blessed if that helps answer the question. No one knew of this heaven before Moses.

But would anything exist if God is heaven and there’s no God? That is another question.😉
 
Dameedna said:
It is great to accept a gift.

But christianity does not see life as a gift. Christinaity see’s it as “gift that requires payment”.

Be grateful for your gift. Allow it to inspire you.

Just don’t let the gift of awareness of God, lead you down the path of false humility and human belief.
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For my money, gratefulness for the gift of life is a gratefulness towards God/life/love, whether God’s consciously acknowledged in it or not, and I’m more impressed with kind and grateful hearts of persons of any stripe than with “believers” who don’t seem to possess either, which I’ve known quite a few of.
 
John_Russell_Jr said:
But would anything exist if God is heaven and there’s no God? That is another question.😉
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I don’t agree with your premise that God is heaven - so your question is inherently flawed. I agree that God is the source of Heaven, but God is independant of Heaven. In my understanding, in addition to that state of complete happiness and state of being resulting from the direct vision of God, Heaven is also a PLACE where we will have resurrected bodies re-joined to our souls. We will experience Heaven body and soul … physical and spiritual - not just spiritual.

To partially answer your question -
If there is no God, nothing could or would exist.
It is an impossibility for God not to exist though.
Because God does exist and Heaven was CREATED by God, it is a reality made possible to us by God.
 
jkiernan56 said:
I don’t agree with your premise that God is heaven - so your question is inherently flawed. I agree that God is the source of Heaven, but God is independant of Heaven. In my understanding, in addition to that state of complete happiness and state of being resulting from the direct vision of God, Heaven is also a PLACE where we will have resurrected bodies re-joined to our souls. We will experience Heaven body and soul … physical and spiritual - not just spiritual.

To partially answer your question -
If there is no God, nothing could or would exist.
It is an impossibility for God not to exist though.
Because God does exist and Heaven was CREATED by God, it is a reality made possible to us by God.
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Hello, I think you’ll find we may both be right as even if heaven was a created place there is no reason why heaven could still not somehow be God himself. God bless:thumbsup:
 
If you don’t mind, I’d like to suggest a little story by Ted Chiang (a coder who so far has only put out a small amount of astounding short stories), collected in Stories of Your Life and Others - nearly all winning incredibly prestigious awards - but the one I particularly, for the purposes of this thread, wish to submit for your perusal specifically is Hell Is the Absence of God.

After reading (and I fully recommend this modest collection to one and all here), then ask yourself again…it is no simplistically moralist tale, as none of his small oeuvre is. But it WILL make you really think, hard, about the nature of the divinely incomprehensible, if such old testament/fundamentalist phenomena were indeed matters of course in everyday life.
 
**Hi Folks, 👋

Will someone please answer the OP? Such foolishness!

God created Heaven, God always was, He wasn’t created.
God isn’t Heaven! He is God almighty~

Stop the foolishness and answer the simple question: " If There Is No Heaven Will You Still Love God?" or SHUT UP! :bigyikes: Darn fools! 🍿 I said that with true love and concern for your personal ideas and opinions as they relate to the OP! :rolleyes:

My answer is Yes! Forever!

“If the righteous one is scarcely saved, Where will the ungodly and the sinner appear?” 1 Peter 4:18

God Bless**
 
Realcatholicgk said:
Hi Folks, 👋

**Will someone please answer the OP? Such foolishness! **

**God created Heaven, God always was, He wasn’t created. **
God isn’t Heaven! He is God almighty~

**Stop the foolishness and answer the simple question: " If There Is No Heaven Will You Still Love God?" or SHUT UP! :bigyikes: Darn fools! 🍿 I said that with true love and concern for your personal ideas and opinions as they relate to the OP! :rolleyes: **

**My answer is Yes! Forever! **

"If the righteous one is scarcely saved, Where will the ungodly and the sinner appear?" 1 Peter 4:18

God Bless
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Sorry to be a fool. I must pray for more understanding so I know more and don’t make a fool of myself. God bless you friend:thumbsup: 😃
 
John_Russell_Jr said:
Sorry to be a fool. I must pray for more understanding so I know more and don’t make a fool of myself. God bless you friend
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**Hi John, 👋 I noticed you still didn’t answer the OP! :mad:

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

“You know why the world is a stinking mess? I have failed to be as holy as I am called to be. Bottom line. I don’t have any control over anybody else. I’ve gotta deal with ME. One person at a time we must be perfected as our Heavenly Father is perfect.” ~ Fr John Corapi

God Bless **
 
John_Russell_Jr said:
Hello, I think you’ll find we may both be right as even if heaven was a created place there is no reason why heaven could still not somehow be God himself. God bless:thumbsup:
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Well here is a thought on how Heaven cannot be God.

It is said the Jesus is God. Also that He is begotten not created. If heaven is a place, then for it to be God it has to be begotten. Our creations are not us. But our children are of the same kind as us.
 
This is actually a very stupid question. From the very beginning of creation God had each and every one of us in his mind and thoughts. God created us to BE WITH HIM forever in Heaven! Not being able to have an eternal soul goes completely against God’s plan. More importantly, the question completely reduces us to the level of an animal. No free will, no intellect, no ability to reflect.
 
This might be a little off topic, Watching a Catholic TV program, a Catholic priest was asked; If the possibility existed that there might not be a heaven would you live your life differently? Father’s response, I would life my life in Christ as I have and find there is no heaven, rather than live a life of sin and find out that there is. I still love that statement by Father.
 
benedictus2 said:
Well here is a thought on how Heaven cannot be God.

It is said the Jesus is God. Also that He is begotten not created. If heaven is a place, then for it to be God it has to be begotten. Our creations are not us. But our children are of the same kind as us.
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Do you know much about grace. I’ve heard grace is somehow a created thing and yet it is part of God so it cannot be created. I’m not an expert on the theology of grace bu the older priest who told me is a very knowledgeable, orthodox and hoy priest. There could be a clue to the answer here. I don’t think this is beyond God to do by any means. I accept it’s hard to understand though. Many theologians support my final conclusion from my research and the church permits me to believe this for now. So I still choose to at this stage. 🙂
 
Realcatholicgk said:
**Hi John, 👋 I noticed you still didn’t answer the OP! :mad: **

**:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: **

"You know why the world is a stinking mess? I have failed to be as holy as I am called to be. Bottom line. I don’t have any control over anybody else. I’ve gotta deal with ME. One person at a time we must be perfected as our Heavenly Father is perfect." ~ Fr John Corapi

**God Bless **
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Dear friend, i would still love God if I existed. Hows that? Will that suffice:confused: 😃
 
Wel, at the risk of taking a beating

I

1.) Will admit to not being a good Catholic, but a fair Christian. I attend a Disciples of Christ church (who does believe in Heaven and Hell).

2.) I do not believe in Heaven or Hell. I believe that is what we live here on earth, controled by how we live our lives, poorly, or obedient to the Lord.

3.) Yes, I STILL Love my God with all my Heart and Soul, knowing he hath provided for me wonders upon wonders.

So, mine is not hypothetical. You may disagree, but for me the question is very real, AND easily answered

Y-E-S!
 
My lucky day… the above posts brings up my second and last Quote… At the Catholic Church in VA Beach, Churches were reacing out to each other regardless on demonintation for fellowship. Father eluded to the Catholic sometimes thoughts that we are the only true Faith and others didn’t count. And I Love this one also… Father said to the Congragation… Not all Catholics are Christians, and Not all Christians are Catholic… Well, I am done.

I do have one more but saving it.
 
turnepr said:
Wel, at the risk of taking a beating

I

1.) Will admit to not being a good Catholic, but a fair Christian. I attend a Disciples of Christ church (who does believe in Heaven and Hell).

2.) I do not believe in Heaven or Hell. I believe that is what we live here on earth, controled by how we live our lives, poorly, or obedient to the Lord.

3.) Yes, I STILL Love my God with all my Heart and Soul, knowing he hath provided for me wonders upon wonders.

So, mine is not hypothetical. You may disagree, but for me the question is very real, AND easily answered

Y-E-S!
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I’m going to gap in the spaces a little and assume you hold to some sort of annihilationist viewpoint. If that’s the case, this article is a pretty good survey of what the Bible says about life after death, the passages that are used on both sides, and an evaluation of extra-Biblical reasons for espousing annihilationism.

the-highway.com/articleMay05.html

While it is pretty much a direct attack on the perspective you currently hold to, I hope it doesn’t come across as mean-spirited or personal in any way. The author is a really good philosophy professor, and I hope you take a look at his work and interact with it to see what happens.

If you’ve decided to hold some spiritual beliefs that are contrary to the Bible and do not always use it as a guide, I guess there’s not much left to say. You’ll believe what you want. But if you feel that an annihilationist mode of belief can be reconciled with Scripture, it’s probably at least worth a look. Dr. Talbot is one of those people who states that such a belief is irreconcilable with Scripture, and this article pretty much lays out his reasons for saying so. Please do evaluate it and see if he says anything that makes sense.

Good luck to you as you explore and refine your beliefs about God, the afterlife, and other stuff. I hope the article gives you some good material to interact with.
 
vicmic83 said:
This might be a little off topic, Watching a Catholic TV program, a Catholic priest was asked; If the possibility existed that there might not be a heaven would you live your life differently? Father’s response, I would life my life in Christ as I have and find there is no heaven, rather than live a life of sin and find out that there is. I still love that statement by Father.
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That is not off topic at all. It brings to mind the response of a protestant friend who said if there is no heaven he will be out for hiimself:) .
 
John_Russell_Jr said:
Do you know much about grace. I’ve heard grace is somehow a created thing and yet it is part of God so it cannot be created. I’m not an expert on the theology of grace bu the older priest who told me is a very knowledgeable, orthodox and hoy priest. There could be a clue to the answer here. I don’t think this is beyond God to do by any means. I accept it’s hard to understand though. Many theologians support my final conclusion from my research and the church permits me to believe this for now. So I still choose to at this stage. 🙂
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I don’t know much (closer to zilch really:) ) about the theology of grace. I think grace is an aspect of God and is closely tied with His love. But I think I am getting your drift so to speak.
 
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