Iglesia ni Cristo members.. lets help them

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happygal said:
I really wonder what does INC teaches that create how much of HoHa here and there?? Coz i really don’t know what INC teaches, just curious
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For starters, they don’t believe Jesus is God but is merely a man, and only a man. For a more thorough discussion of what the INC believes, here.
 
RobedWithLight said:
For starters, they don’t believe Jesus is God but is merely a man, and only a man. For a more thorough discussion of what the INC believes, here.
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You can also refer to this site for other articles from their magazine.

Among their analysis against the Godhood of Christ:
  1. In reference to John 1, Ruben Aromin wrote:
It is clear from the clause, “the Word became flesh,” that neither the true God, who owns the Word, nor our Lord Jesus Christ, who is the fulfillment of the Word, became flesh but the Word itself. This simply means that what was planned and promised by God in the beginning came to be fulfilled at the time appointed by Him. *
  1. In reference to John 10:30, Jose Ventilacion wrote:
Christ’s statement in this verse is definitely true and correct. Nobody could dispute His statement that He and His Father “are one.” However, what is not true is McDowell and Larson’s hasty conclusion that Jesus and the Father are one in nature. Jesus never said so. In order to arrive at the proper understanding of His statement, we should bear in mind that John 10:30 is a concluding statement and, therefore, we must find out first His preceding statements serving as premises so we could understand the meaning of His declaration. Jesus said in verses 27-29:

“My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all-no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand.” (New International Version)

Jesus assures us that the sheep given to Him by the Father will not be snatched from His hand. The same goes true with the Father, who gave Christ the sheep. Therefore, Jesus and the Father are one or united in taking care of the sheep. This unity of purpose of the Father and the Son is what Christ emphasized when He uttered the statement, “1 and the Father are one.”*
 
admaioranatus said:
I strong agree to that, we need to educate filipino Catholics instead of attacking other denominations like INC.
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Maybe we could use the tips and suggestions on this site. It’s on the “practical apologetics” section. How I wish there is a website or a program on TV for apologetics.
 
nazarene1126 said:
You can also refer to this site for other articles from their magazine.

Among their analysis against the Godhood of Christ:
  1. In reference to John 1, Ruben Aromin wrote:
It is clear from the clause, “the Word became flesh,” that neither the true God, who owns the Word, nor our Lord Jesus Christ, who is the fulfillment of the Word, became flesh but the Word itself. This simply means that what was planned and promised by God in the beginning came to be fulfilled at the time appointed by Him. *
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That Christ, in John 1 was in the beginning only a “plan” in God’s mind is certainly one of the most questionable of their teachings. if we substitute “Plan” for Word in John 1, it would appear that “In the beginning was the Plan, and the Plan was with God, and the plan was God…” which is certainly ludicrous and blasphemous since how can a mere “Plan” that exists only in God’s mind be a God at the same time? Their interpretation denigrated Jesus’ stature in almost the same manner that Arius did in the early fourth century. Jesus clearly states those stirring words in John 8:58 that “before Abraham was I am”, meaning that the Son, had** real, actual existence** before the creation**.** I certainly hope any Catholic who is now being indoctrinated by their ministers seriously think about this.
 
nazarene1126 said:
You can also refer to this site for other articles from their magazine.

Among their analysis against the Godhood of Christ:
  1. In reference to John 10:30, Jose Ventilacion wrote:
Christ’s statement in this verse is definitely true and correct. Nobody could dispute His statement that He and His Father “are one.” However, what is not true is McDowell and Larson’s hasty conclusion that Jesus and the Father are one in nature. Jesus never said so. In order to arrive at the proper understanding of His statement, we should bear in mind that John 10:30 is a concluding statement and, therefore, we must find out first His preceding statements serving as premises so we could understand the meaning of His declaration. Jesus said in verses 27-29:*

“My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all-no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand.” (New International Version)

Jesus assures us that the sheep given to Him by the Father will not be snatched from His hand. The same goes true with the Father, who gave Christ the sheep. Therefore, Jesus and the Father are one or united in taking care of the sheep. This unity of purpose of the Father and the Son is what Christ emphasized when He uttered the statement, “1 and the Father are one.”
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Reading the passages up to John 10:39 would show that when the Jews were about to stone Him to death for blasphemy for His statement in verse 30, because they correctly interpreted His words that “He and the Father are one” as a claim of His own equality or divinity, Jesus did not bother to recant as well, meaning Jesus really meant what He said. If it weren’t so, He could have easily and conveniently avoided any trouble with the angry mob by simply re-stating that such oneness was only oneness of purpose, rather than a statement of His divinity or equality with the Father.
 
RobedWithLight said:
That Christ, in John 1 was in the beginning only a “plan” in God’s mind is certainly one of the most questionable of their teachings. if we substitute “Plan” for Word in John 1, it would appear that “In the beginning was the Plan, and the Plan was with God, and the plan was God…” which is certainly ludicrous and blasphemous since how can a mere “Plan” that exists only in God’s mind be a God at the same time? Their interpretation denigrated Jesus’ stature in almost the same manner that Arius did in the early fourth century. Jesus clearly states those stirring words in John 8:58 that “before Abraham was I am”, meaning that the Son, had** real, actual existence** before the creation**.** I certainly hope any Catholic who is now being indoctrinated by their ministers seriously think about this.
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I certainly agree with you. By the way, when they indocrinate potential converts, they use the Filipino translations of the Holy Bible. They don’t use English since the sentences are structured differently and that’s where the INC Ministers find ease in deceiving the people.
Example, for John 1:1 they use the word “verbo” instead of the direct translation “salita” for the “word” and then would jump to some other part of the bible quoting what the word “verbo” means. They would use bible translatoins that would support their doctrine, that is they ignore other translations that would otherwise bring doubt to their so-called doctrines.
 
nazarene1126 said:
Anybody knows why they think the cross is the sign of the devil?
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Probably because the Sign of the Cross is associated with Catholics and/or the Orthodox, which they believe are false sects and by extension, sects used by satan to mislead people, I guess? :confused:
 
nazarene1126 said:
Anybody knows why they think the cross is the sign of the devil?
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I think they just lifted this off the JW’s teachings. they teach very similar things, almost identical, except for their “angel from the east” angle.
 
I am currently an INC member, do you guys want email addresses?
 
It took me a long time, but I was able to read all the posts. Very interesting!
 
Will you be able to answer several questions about the INC doctrines, dogmas and teachings?
 
viktor_aleksndr said:
Let’s help those people who belong to Iglesia ni Cristo that they might realise what their Church really thaught.

examineiglesianicristo.com/

catholic.com/library/Iglesia_Ni_Cristo.asp

Send this to their e mail.

Let’s not criticise them but rather help them to come back to the TRUE Church of Christ, the Church who existed since the first century, THE HOLY CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH.
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Shame on you saying that the catholic church is the true church… How can you defend your your church from rapist priest and corrupt bishops?
 
mulawin_mark214 said:
Shame on you saying that the catholic church is the true church…
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What are we to be ashamed of?
Why should we be ashamed to say that the fullness of Truth (Christ) resides in the Catholic Church?
Why can we not tell the truth?
Are we to lie to people and say that the Catholic Church is not Christ’s Church?
Do we not have a right to state what we profess and believe at every Mass (‘I believe in one, holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church…’)?
How can you defend your your church from rapist priest and corrupt bishops?
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One time, someone asked a priest the question, ‘Why should I go to Church if its members are corrupt, liars, drunkards, murderers, backstabbers and sinners?’ The priest answered, ‘We always have room for another one. Why not come and join in?’

I do not think we need to cover up any flaw of the Church, past or present. We are not supposed to be an exclusive club which only holy, sinless, immaculate people can join. We are a hospital where any person, regardless of any deed, can come in.

IMHO, whenever I see any sinner or something of the sort in the Catholic Church, it strengthens my belief that this IS the true Church of Christ. Why? Because the Church managed to survive for 2000 years despite having these people as its members. Were it just a normal human institution it would have been dissolved, disbanded within a few years of its inception.
 
mulawin_mark214 said:
Shame on you saying that the catholic church is the true church… How can you defend your your church from rapist priest and corrupt bishops?
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You also have corrupt pastors according to Eli Soriano. Havent you guys beaten up on some occassions? What about that slanderous comics you made up to destroy him? 😃
 
patrick457 said:
I do not think we need to cover up any flaw of the Church, past or present. We are not supposed to be an exclusive club which only holy, sinless, immaculate people can join. We are a hospital where any person, regardless of any deed, can come in.
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I once found a church full of perfect people. They wouldn’t let me join. 😉

God bless,
Paul
 
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