I'm an active homosexual, am I destined to hell?

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wanner47 said:
So if you’re a Christian, why do you ignore verses like these?

I thought part of being a Christian meant following the teachings of Christ and his apostles. 🤷
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Actually he isnt really.

The Romans quote is clearly talking about hetrosexuals performing unnatural acts (homosexual acts), it says nothing about homosexuals performing homosexual acts.

Your other quote is a mistranslation of the original verse and cant be relied upon.
 
I’m new to this thread and have not read every single post. However, I know that this is a very controversial topic that can cause some to get a little too zealous in defending Catholic teaching regarding homosexuality. We must always be charitable and remember that homosexuals are human beings as well and that their struggle with sexuality is often not a choice.

Regarding homosexuality, it’s clear from nature and biology that man is created to have sexual intercourse with woman and woman with man. This law of nature is a manifestation of Divine law. This is how God, our maker, intended it to be. Those who are struggling with homosexual attraction must find their strength in God to overcome this temptation. We must place our trust in Him and turn to His grace in our hour of need, regardless of what particular sin we are struggling with.

God Bless,
Michael
 
mikeledes said:
I’m new to this thread and have not read every single post. However, I know that this is a very controversial topic that can cause some to get a little too zealous in defending Catholic teaching regarding homosexuality. We must always be charitable and remember that homosexuals are human beings as well and that their struggle with sexuality is often not a choice.

Regarding homosexuality, it’s clear from nature and biology that man is created to have sexual intercourse with woman and woman with man. This law of nature is a manifestation of Divine law. This is how God, our maker, intended it to be. Those who are struggling with homosexual attraction must find their strength in God to overcome this temptation. We must place our trust in Him and turn to His grace in our hour of need, regardless of what particular sin we are struggling with.

God Bless,
Michael
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Well said, thank you.
 
“What is the purpose of sex as God intended it to be?”
A careful examination and reflection of the question, which anyone can do in his or her own time and space, will reveal three possible answers:
  1. For pleasure
2. For reproduction
3. For bonding between couples
    No doubt that sexual intercourse does produce pleasure, but is that its sole purpose? For example, eating is pleasurable. Does that mean that the purpose of eating is for pleasure only? For people who think so, they end up obese and unhealthy, just because they eat for the pleasure of it. Rather, the purpose of eating is to nourish our bodies.
    Take another example. Sleeping is pleasurable, especially when one is tired. Does that mean that the purpose of sleeping is for pleasure only? For people who think so, they end up being a lazy slob, and probably end up missing important appointments, just because they sleep for the pleasure of it. Rather, the purpose of sleeping is to allow our bodies to recover.
    How about sex then? Sex between a couple is pleasurable, especially when both climax at the same time. Does that mean that the purpose of sex is for pleasure only? For people who think so, they end up being addicted to sex, and can’t think of anything else throughout the day. Rather, the purpose of sex is something else altogether.
    So we’ve established that answer #1 is not the right answer. True, sex does give pleasure, eating does give pleasure, sleeping does give pleasure, and the same goes for all other natural bodily functions. But pleasure is not the sole purpose of any of these bodily functions.
    If you look at it another way, what would happen if a couple engaged in sex purely for pleasure? Well, for one thing, they’d end up with multiple babies. What a bother. You can’t kill them, since that’d be murder. You can’t keep bringing them to the adoption agency - they’d give you counselling. Repeated abortions is dangerous for the mother’s health. So what do you with them?
    Society’s answer has always been to address the ‘problem of fertility’ at the root. Maybe in the course of having sex, there was a way to separate the pleasure from the babies? Maybe we can prevent babies from even being born in the first place?
    And so society has come up with condoms which prevent conception, masturbation (mutual or otherwise) which prevents conception, anal sex, oral sex, the Pill which either works to change a woman’s natural cycle so that she doesn’t conceive, or affects some hormones post-conception so that the fertilised egg cannot attach itself to the womb. In actually, such a Pill causes abortion of the pregnancy, hence is called abortifacient. The most common of these is Mifepristone also known as “RU-486″ and marketed under the brand name Mifeprex. It is widely known that such Pills induce abortion.
    Once you handle that problem of the irritating babies that keep popping up, you’re free to have sex in any form for the sake of pleasure alone.
    Actually, society has also come up with a way to deal with the problem of overeating. You want to eat, but you don’t want to additional weight that comes with it. So you either regurgitate the food out, so that you can eat some more (no one would hesitate to call this perverse or an illness), or you take a pill that allows the food to pass through your system undigested. More pills… Remember those weight-loss pills that promise to allow you to lose weight while maintaining your normal diet? This is how they work.
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The problem here is, what if you were to do this all the time? For regurgitators, they will end up malnourished, and if it carries on, they will eventually die.
So what happens if an entire society does the same with sex? To separate pleasure from reproduction? To put it simply, society will end with this generation, because there is no more reproduction of the human species. Hence, a culture of death.
I missed out one answer, didn’t I? Answer #3 - sex is for bonding between couples. Well that’s actually incorporated into having babies. If one does not try to separate answers #2 and #3, and answers #1 from answers #2 and #3, one would tend to end up with a healthy marriage and family.
It is no secret that a married couple who uses contraceptives will be more likely to end up in divorce. Why? The reason is spiritual, but saying that doesn’t make it less important. It’s not a secret at all… it’s just not made known well enough…
Firstly, humans are beings made of a fusion of spirit and matter. We are neither completely matter, like animals, or completely spirit, like angels. We are spirit and matter. What we do in the flesh, we affect our spirit as well… which is why sins committed in the flesh can have an effect on our spiritual state, and our spiritual state can affect our physical being. Which is why when you can’t control your addictions (to food, sex, sleep, drugs, etc), you are more likely to be unable to control yourself spiritually and end up living a life of sin… if your addiction does not already lead you there.
In having sex, a couple bonds not just physically, but spiritually as well. A complete physical bonding reflects a complete spiritual bonding. What happens if you put a physical barrier, like a condom or a diaphragm, into a sexual intercourse? The physical barrier is a reflection of the spiritual barrier.
Sex is a time when couples express their marital vows - to give of themselves completely to each other, to receive of the other partner completely, in a free, total, faithful, and fruitful way. But with contraceptives, whatever the form, the couple is saying with their bodies, “I give you all of myself, except my fertility.” or “I want all of you, except your fertility.” Such an action is a reflection of a deeper withholding of something else on a spiritual level.
In the end, contraceptives not only creates a barrier to prevent reproduction (#2), it also creates a barrier to prevent bonding between couples (#3).
Answers #2 and #3 are intrinsically linked to each other; they cannot be separated… just as physical union cannot be separated from spiritual union during sex.
And that, is the purpose of sex.
 
AgnosTheist said:
its because they are lions.

they have instincts that are common to other mammals as well as instincts that are unique to lions only.
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Infanticide is not unique to lions. It does seem to me though to prove that the desire for sex is unified with the desire to procreate therefore nullifying your original statement that ‘procreation is only the result’.
 
Elric said:
Actually he isnt really.

The Romans quote is clearly talking about hetrosexuals performing unnatural acts (homosexual acts), it says nothing about homosexuals performing homosexual acts.

Your other quote is a mistranslation of the original verse and cant be relied upon.
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Your interpretation is flawed. The homosexual acts ARE the unnatural acts.

Can you tell me where it says in the Bible that YOU are an infallible translator/interpreter of Scripture?
 
wifeandmomoftwo said:
Answers #2 and #3 are intrinsically linked to each other; they cannot be separated… just as physical union cannot be separated from spiritual union during sex.
And that, is the purpose of sex.
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Having contracepted in the past, I can attest to the fuller spititual connection with my wife without that barrier!

Great post:thumbsup:
 
wanner47 said:
Your interpretation is flawed. The homosexual acts ARE the unnatural acts.
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Not according to the verses you provided, it only states that homosexual relations are unnatural for hetrosexuals (which they are) and wrong for hetrosexuals. There is nothing mentioned about homosexuals performing homosexual acts in the verses you provided.

Here is a closer interperation of the Corinthian quote you gave:

“Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”

You should be warey of any translation that uses the term “homosexual” or any of its variations, because it is a term that was invented in the 19th century and it does not appear in the original translation.
Can you tell me where it says in the Bible that YOU are an infallible translator/interpreter of Scripture?
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I could reply to such a silly comment with a silly response, but that would be counter-productive.
 
Chatichism Of The Catholic Church

Chastity and homosexuality

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,140 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."141 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

I am Catholic and I except all the teachings of the church. I too had problems with homosexual acts as a teen and then got in to alcohol and drugs and many other things that led to the desire to want to die because I hated myself and everything else, but for the grace of God an earnest prayer saved my life and I asked for help. Someone a few post back said we weren’t treating this kid with christian respect and I have read all the post on this thread. So far this kid in my opinion isn’t serious about getting help. Too bad. You no whats sad is you are given two options right now- spiritual help or self destuction, but your too imature too really hear what people are saying. If you think thats mean then I guess you don’t no the seriousness of the problem. It is sad that we live in a culture of death where kids are being taught how to hurt them selves rather than learn how to live they way they were destined to live. Hell is your choice. You can call your self a christian all you want but deep down in side you know your lieing to your self. Your not hurting any one here. I feel sorry for you and pray for you.

Hail Mary, full of grace.
The Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou amongst women,
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners,
now and at the hour of our death.
Amen.
 
marty30 said:
Chatichism Of The Catholic Church

Chastity and homosexuality

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,140 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."141 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

I am Catholic and I except all the teachings of the church. I too had problems with homosexual acts as a teen and then got in to alcohol and drugs and many other things that led to the desire to want to die because I hated myself and everything else, but for the grace of God an earnest prayer saved my life and I asked for help. Someone a few post back said we weren’t treating this kid with christian respect and I have read all the post on this thread. So far this kid in my opinion isn’t serious about getting help. Too bad. You no whats sad is you are given two options right now- spiritual help or self destuction, but your too imature too really hear what people are saying. If you think thats mean then I guess you don’t no the seriousness of the problem. It is sad that we live in a culture of death where kids are being taught how to hurt them selves rather than learn how to live they way they were destined to live. Hell is your choice. You can call your self a christian all you want but deep down in side you know your lieing to your self. Your not hurting any one here. I feel sorry for you and pray for you.

Hail Mary, full of grace.
The Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou amongst women,
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners,
now and at the hour of our death.
Amen.
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Amen!
 
Elric said:
Not according to the verses you provided, it only states that homosexual relations are unnatural for hetrosexuals (which they are) and wrong for hetrosexuals. There is nothing mentioned about homosexuals performing homosexual acts in the verses you provided.
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Please show me where in the Bible it makes the distinction between homosexuals and heterosexuals. That is the only possible way to support YOUR fallible interpretation.
Here is a closer interperation of the Corinthian quote you gave:
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“Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”
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You should be warey of any translation that uses the term “homosexual” or any of its variations, because it is a term that was invented in the 19th century and it does not appear in the original translation.
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I see at least two descriptors in the above verse that can be defined as those who commit homosexual acts – forincators and abusers of themselves with men. So I’d say the translation is accurate.
I could reply to such a silly comment with a silly response, but that would be counter-productive.
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Nice non-answer. I take that to mean that you can’t answer the question, given that it’s not silly at all. Why should I trust your interpretation if it’s not an infallible one? If you are not an infallible interpretor or translator of Scripture, what makes your translation/interpretation superior to mine?
 
Teen4Christ said:
It dosen’t seem like a brainwashing group(which most "ex-gay"ministries are)
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Teen4Christ,
When this group was recommended to you on another thread your words where different then what you are stating here.
Also it is not an ex-gay ministry.
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A. Courage does not consider itself an Ex-Gay ministry for the following reason: Many Courage members have never labelled themselves “gay” prior to coming to Courage. This does not mean that they were unaware of their experience of same-sex attractions - it simply means that they had never chosen to label themselves “gay” in the first place, either because of a dislike of the reductionist nature of the term “gay”, or because they kept their struggle with homosexuality private. Courage prefers to think of itself as a “Pro-Chastity” ministry. Is Courage an Ex-Gay Ministry?](http://www.couragerc.net/FAQs.html)

Before dismissing something as “brainwashing” perhaps you should ACTUALLY look at the site and see what it is that they actually do, and not assume things!
Numerous folks have provided the link to their website, so let me tell you what they are about (from their website) …
**The following five goals of Courage were created by the members themselves, when Courage was founded. The goals are read at the start of each meeting and each member is called to practice them in daily life.

Live chaste lives in accordance with the Roman Catholic Church’s teaching on homosexuality. (Chastity)
Dedicate ones life to Christ through service to others, spiritual reading, prayer, meditation, individual spiritual direction, frequent attendance at Mass, and the frequent reception of the sacraments of Reconciliation and Holy Eucharist. (Prayer and Dedication)
Foster a spirit of fellowship in which all may share thoughts and experiences, and so ensure that no one will have to face the problems of homosexuality alone. (Fellowship)
Be mindful of the truth that chaste friendships are not only possible but necessary in a chaste Christian life and in doing so provide encouragement to one another in forming and sustaining them. (Support)
Live lives that may serve as good examples to others. (Good Example)**
 
Texas_Roofer said:
Would you please cite a Catholic teach which denies him the right to his opinion, or a Church teaching which tells us to badger him concern his selection.
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By all means have all the opinions you want. And as to badgering…please! I was only pointing out his view on COURAGE and then since he had the wrong idea of what they where I went on to show him what they actually are all about!
Oh and as a side note, I am not a closet homosexual, I do believe what the church teaches about homosexual acts and people (I dislike the acts not the person:) !
When he is banded from the Church, I will have no need for the Church either!!!
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:confused: Who said he is banned from the Church??
 
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