Cods wallop, they do attack it. But whats worse is that it doesnt achieve anything or disprove any arguments.
A little better than the first try but you still don’t seem to get it. Catholics are not required to do anything. We are taught what is right and true and and it is up to us to follow those teachings. We have a free will and we don’t always use it correctly according to the Will of God.The Church reminds us of the consequences if we don’t live according to God’s Will. Thats why Jesus gave us a TRUE Church, with all the same TRUTHS Jesus taught the Apostles. all the 7 Sacraments and yes the Sacramentals. Of course the medals are man made, (so are the hosts that are consecrated at Mass,) did you think the angels made them.? Who made them is NOT important, but when they are Blessed they are very Special and yes they are very powerful. Why do you think the Blessed Mother asked us to “Pray the Rosary EVERY day”. because of its power !! Wear the Brown Scapular. Use Holy Water often, even in your home. You sound more like a protestant when you bring up that “lucky charm” garbage, thats their long standing lie against us. It breaks my heart when I hear Catholics fall into that trap because they don’t understand their own faith. You only reinforce them in their thinking. Read Post 537 by PaulDupre, better yet, get your own Catechism of the Catholic Church and study it for yourself.
Sorry but the majority of Catholics who YOU claim are pro-choice liberals are not nice and they are no longer Catholic, no matter what they call themselves. They have placed themselves outside the GRACE of GOD. You cannot be pro-choice and Catholic at the same time anymore than you can be atheistic and Catholic at the same time. No such thing as a foot in each camp. Who are they fooling, NOT GOD. Jesus said, “You are either for ME or against ME.” Any Catholic that condones abortion in any way is putting their soul in grave danger. You say pro-choice catholics have a “healthy appreciation” for social issues. Heathly for who.??? Certainly not healthy for the tiny innocent babies that are killed, and not even for the mothers who suffer grave consequences for their abortions, and I have talked to a few that have suffered. PRO-CHOICE, thats a LIE, Babies DON"T chose to DIE !!!They won’t burst the bubbles of all the true believers. Reading Ratzinger’s chat with Habermas suggests he won’t burst any bubbles with the true believers either. In both cases, what isn’t said is a lot more illuminating than what might be.
I’m not out of the church. People like me are the majority of the church outside rural Utah. Just like the majority of Catholics are nice pro-choice liberals who have a healthy appreciation for social issues and aren’t hung up on nonsense (look at the American states of Mass., Vermont, or Washington, which have the highest per-capita RC populations).
Come on, admit it. FAIR is a ridiculous bunch.
I know that this question maybe a little off topic of LDS, but it has to do with birth control. I have read on here that some on this site actually feel that the pill is an abortifacient. So those Catholic women that attend Mass today that take the pill should not receive Communion? I bet that there are very few US Catholics at Mass that believe that the pill is an abortifacient. With that said are they considered Pro-Choice Catholics?
The topic of this thread is “lets learn from each other” so this is not off topic.
i know this question was not fro me, but since whyme is so at a loss for the meaning behind such things, please let me take this moment to answer it from my own point of view.
How is this different from what I said? Now there are many catholics who have their medals blessed and they do so for a reason. If not, then it would be a waste of time to have various religious items blessed. I see very little difference between your explanation and mine.
you said Catholics wear medals fro protection from danger. did i remember that correctly? if not i am sorry, i am working from old memory and may be mistaken.
Except when you are in the locker room! :newidea: They do make quite a conversation piece in those circumstances. I remember when I was 18 and investigating the lds church. The men got together to play basketball and I went along to play or sit on the bench. We all had to change into the uniform when suddenly I found myself among mormon guys all wearing garments. And of course I had to ask about them. When I wore them, I found them to be very useful and no one questioned me about them because they all thought I was wearing long underwear for the cold or in the summer, they are a little shorter, but nothing to draw attention.
That is not the usual circumstance, and you also know that one of the edicts of wearing temple garments is that they are not to be shown to the world because of their sacred nature. Mormons are never directed by their leadership to use their temple garments to witness their faith. Quite the opposite, they are told to keep them covered and to not talk about them.
I think we’re gonna have to agree to disagree on this on this one. I did reread Paul’s post, which is directly from the Catechism, and I don’t see where that contradicts anything I said. Sacramentals, by themselves, do not impart grace; it is the disposition to receive grace they can encourage that has value. A Rosary, by itself, is just an object; it has no inherent qualities that can convey anything of value to someone who simply has one or carries it around. If I go downtown, I’ll even see a lot of unsavory characters wearing them around their necks. It is the prayer and the meditation for which the Rosary is used that have spiritual merit. Mary didn’t say “have a Rosary,” or “carry a Rosary,” she said PRAY the Rosary.
Why not deconstruct the bible?
It is more usual now than before. Exercise has become the norm and fitness centers too. It is true that they are not for witnessing the faith. But it is difficult to hide them when one is changing in a room of people. One has to change clothes in order to exercise in a fitness center or play basketball,etc.
Look, it wasn’t an insult. If anything it was a compliment.
i don’t think it is legitimate to make such generalizations.
That is admirable, LaMar. A real slice of positive LDS history between giving up polygamy and the present crisis of faith. Is it good enough to publish?
i can’t think of a single reason not to. fact is the bible has been subjected to intense scrutiny for many centuries, and as you are somethin g of an example, is under continual withering attack from its enemies. i notice that it is still here, influential as ever, while by far most of its enemies are turned to dust.
can only speak for myself, you would surely be wroing. when i was a child I believed as you did at 12, but then i grew up. i’m guessing that 12 y/o was not more than about 10 years ago for you. if so then hopefully you’ve got a lot of time left to come to grips with what you are struggling against.
this is a paragrpah written by a person not very familiar with the bible, nor Jesus, nor the Church that Jesus established. not much else to say, except to invite you to study more, look for reasons to believe than to disbelieve.
I have one question, if your Catholic, then why not have it Blessed and receive the graces that go with wearing it devoutly? Read about that in the CCC. Why do you think the Miraculous Medal is called a “miraculous.” Medal??? Did you know that someone gave Charles Lindburg a Miraculous Medal just before he went on his transatlantic flight, and he hung it in the cockpit. And he told how every time he started to fall asleep that medal would bump into something and cause him to wake up. He credited it for saving his life. He was NOT a Catholic.
