Immigration reform becomes a Catholic ‘pro-life’ cause

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Do you prefer “untrue”. The articles you linked did not support your statement. Period. You did not post the ABC article.
You may call articles untrue but until you refute it, that’s just your opinion.
This sort of stereotyping is bad. People should not be judged by their ethnicity.
Write the polling companies, they are the ones that did the poll.
However, taking the figures you give and ABC’s statistics, Hispanics are still not the largest voting bloc for abortion,
No one said they were the largest voting bloc, percentage-wise, they seem to be, no wonder you would like to dismiss a poll of groups.
…either by percentage (blacks at 67%) or actual numbers, that would be whites. This is why I do not swallow every story the media presents, or everything posters post.
The cited webpage does not even say anything about blacks.
abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/11/latinos-endorse-legal-abortion/
In the end though, we should not treat people, white or black, Jew or Muslim, based on what “most” are like. That is the definition of bigotry.
That is your definition of bigotry. Seems you are saying we should have no polling at all. It doesn’t reflect the reality of the situation.
I am wondering, as too often people connect correlation with causality if perhaps income level is more of an issue than race or ethnicity.
There are polls like that too.
One final reason why this whole issue is irrelevant. Non-citizens to not vote.
But they would with amnesty.
 
The only thing I really disagree with in your post is the idea that immigration, or anything else, is unrelated to our faith.
Our faith may require us to acknowledge the problem of illegal immigration and work to resolve it but it says nothing at all about the specific solutions we should employ. The issues being debated have nothing to do with *whether *to help but are about *how *to help. Our faith does not provide those answers. In that regard, determining the best approaches is in fact unrelated to our faith.

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I don’t think people are questioning the character of legal Hispanic immigrants. However with illegal immigrants, of whatever nationality it is not unreasonable.to worry about the criminal element among them.
Thats even more reason to enact comprehensive immigration reform to bring these people out of the shadows.
 
Corchado who was the Latin King gang member who killed the 4 year old girl by running into a DayCare center in Orlando Florida is a threat to leave the country. The Latin Kings are filled with both legals and illegals.

chicagotribune.com/topic/os-robert-corchado-day-care-crash-bond-20140414,0,7683866.story

Chicago declared their first public enemy since Al Capone, you know who that was? Chapo Guzman from Mexico. He was caught a few months ago.

In Mexico, they hang bodies from bridges, I wouldn’t even want to go into that country for what it has become.

The Cartels recruit from the migrants that come through because people don’t want to join those bloody gangs.

Some people must not know much about what is going on down there, it’s nothing like even 10 years ago, let alone 20 years.
 
In Boston as elsewhere the Catholic Churches sometimes*** lock their* doors.**

Why?

What would be said is … to avoid vandalism and theft.

Or - it’s too expensive to keep 24 hour security around the Churches guarding them.

Another awkward parallel: The Catholic Church has rules restricting some of its benefits to its members. Holy Communion, etc. It does not encourage the illegal reception of such as being just as good as going through the proper prerequisites.

So … though I approve of Bishops outreaching to everyone in the world, trying to ease the plight of those who are in need (physically as well as spiritually) … perhaps these same Bishops might set a more concrete example to secular states as to what should be done:

– per “immigration” < (note the absence of the terms legal or illegal) - by opening all their Churches 24/7, and/or “Church grounds” to the homeless (including use of running water, a bit of food, basic shelter, etc.) without many or any requirements. That way a person who “illegally” broke onto “Church property” would have a perfect right to do so … especially when their own “life” or quality of it were to be at stake (“another pro-life issue” - that the faithfull should not oppose perhaps).

– and per Church closures (for the sake of economics, “lack of support”, or other business reasons); when “the people” should come first.

These issues of course are knottier than the simple things proposed here. But there would be more consistancy between what a crusading Church leader did on the road and in the glow of positive publicity … and at home, where HE had to make the tough decisions that
are sometimes NOT so emotionally warm and fuzzy.

A pointed question to any such Church leader might be: Per facilitating peoples’ emigration to heaven … is ONE hour of the Sacrament of Penance per week per parish
sufficient to absolve all the mortal sins in that Parish if penitents came? < Such would seem an inhibition to emigration to heaven … though no one seems to be holding sensational demonstrations at any Diocesan Headquarters that I know of.

What I’m saying is … this can look more political than truly charitible. Especially when the term “pro-life” gets watered down from – opposing the outright murder of the innocent without a trial and for any reason … and with government monies and power behind it and …

… to including the “moderation of laws that already ALLOW legal immigration by the millions” (and without the goal of killing ANY of those temporarily denied immigration status - even the criminals that are sometimes caught crossing the borders).

To be sure I don’t want people stealing from the Church or vandalizing it. But I wonder if any clergy in Boston has ever called the cops because someone (anyone!) was trespassing.

If this comparison is not apt … surely some of the intelligent people here might make the distinctions a bit more clear to me.

If someone showed a picture of a person “denied entry to the US” on the streets … there would not be much kerfuffle I think. When the results of abortions are photographically displayed … quite the reverse. Does Bishop O’Malley REALLY equate these things? Or just seem to … given the headlines … and his interview, which included the term “pro-life” but almost nothing on abortion.

IMO - the result of such as this further muddies the waters and gives cover to people who
will now (or again) vote for pro-abortion candidates who strategically give a bit of lip service toward improving the immigration laws. :mad:
 
Demographics are immaterial in the eyes of the Church.
Not when demographics is used as a tool to subdue other cultures as La Raza and radical Islam are purporting, or even the elite American left.
 
In Boston as elsewhere the Catholic Churches sometimes*** lock their*** doors.

Why?

What would be said is … to avoid vandalism and theft.

Or - it’s too expensive to keep 24 hour security around the Churches guarding them.

Another awkward parallel: The Catholic Church has rules restricting some of its benefits to its members. Holy Communion, etc. It does not encourage the illegal reception of such as being just as good as going through the proper prerequisites.

So … though I approve of Bishops outreaching to everyone in the world, trying to ease the plight of those who are in need (physically as well as spiritually) … perhaps these same Bishops might set a more concrete example to secular states as to what should be done:

– per “immigration” < (note the absence of the terms legal or illegal) - by opening all their Churches 24/7, and/or “Church grounds” to the homeless (including use of running water, a bit of food, basic shelter, etc.) without many or any requirements. That way a person who “illegally” broke onto “Church property” would have a perfect right to do so … especially when their own “life” or quality of it were to be at stake (“another pro-life issue” - that the faithfull should not oppose perhaps).

– and per Church closures (for the sake of economics, “lack of support”, or other business reasons); when “the people” should come first.

These issues of course are knottier than the simple things proposed here. But there would be more consistancy between what a crusading Church leader did on the road and in the glow of positive publicity … and at home, where HE had to make the tough decisions that
are sometimes NOT so emotionally warm and fuzzy.

A pointed question to any such Church leader might be: Per facilitating peoples’ emigration to heaven … is ONE hour of the Sacrament of Penance per week per parish
sufficient to absolve all the mortal sins in that Parish if penitents came? < Such would seem an inhibition to emigration to heaven … though no one seems to be holding sensational demonstrations at any Diocesan Headquarters that I know of.

What I’m saying is … this can look more political than truly charitible. Especially when the term “pro-life” gets watered down from – opposing the outright murder of the innocent without a trial and for any reason … and with government monies and power behind it and …

… to including the “moderation of laws that already ALLOW legal immigration by the millions” (and without the goal of killing ANY of those temporarily denied immigration status - even the criminals that are sometimes caught crossing the borders).

To be sure I don’t want people stealing from the Church or vandalizing it. But I wonder if any clergy in Boston has ever called the cops because someone (anyone!) was trespassing.

If this comparison is not apt … surely some of the intelligent people here might make the distinctions a bit more clear to me.

If someone showed a picture of a person “denied entry to the US” on the streets … there would not be much kerfuffle I think. When the results of abortions are photographically displayed … quite the reverse. Does Bishop O’Malley REALLY equate these things? Or just seem to … given the headlines … and his interview, which included the term “pro-life” but almost nothing on abortion.

IMO - the result of such as this further muddies the waters and gives cover to people who
will now (or again) vote for pro-abortion candidates who strategically give a bit of lip service toward improving the immigration laws. :mad:
Well, since certain liberals “care” so much about people, they should just identify their property and invite immigrants to stay there.

We can start with Keith Ellison’s district since he seems fine with Muslim immigration as well as zip code 90210 since many of those citizens claim to care. I further propose getting social and economic conservatives from the second and third world in states like California, Minnesota, Maryland and Maine, and since the left wants them to vote in elections illegally, maybe we can even get so-called gay “marriage” and personhood amendments back on the ballot and see what happens.

Of course, any criticism of this proposal would be by progressive standards: racist, islamophobic, bigoted, and internationally intolerant with xenophobic overtones. 😛 And it would mean they just don’t want different people living next to them.

My, that was quite easy!
 
Corchado who was the Latin King gang member who killed the 4 year old girl by running into a DayCare center in Orlando Florida is a threat to leave the country. The Latin Kings are filled with both legals and illegals.

chicagotribune.com/topic/os-robert-corchado-day-care-crash-bond-20140414,0,7683866.story

Chicago declared their first public enemy since Al Capone, you know who that was? Chapo Guzman from Mexico. He was caught a few months ago.

In Mexico, they hang bodies from bridges, I wouldn’t even want to go into that country for what it has become.

The Cartels recruit from the migrants that come through because people don’t want to join those bloody gangs.

Some people must not know much about what is going on down there, it’s nothing like even 10 years ago, let alone 20 years.
You mean to tell me that not every single immigrant in the United States of America is a hard-working individual just trying to make ends meet and a better life? :eek: :rolleyes:

Say it ain’t so!
 
=seekerz;11891174]Your post would make a greater impression on me if not for facts far beyond your control: the failure to pass immigration reform preceded the advent of Obama administration. Few people had much idea who Obama was when Bush and some leaders on the Right similarly tried - and failed - to pass reform.
:hmm: I wonder how things would have gone if W were able to pass some kind of reform. Maybe more Latinos would have voted GOP in 2008 and 2012.
 
I’m not an expert on any kind of law; I use the internet like most everyone else.
To quote Yoda, “My own counsel will I keep.” I have been dealing with the deportation of illegal immigrants for two years. I too am no expert, but I also know that neither ICE or the former INS ever called or treated the deportation process criminally.
 
Not when demographics is used as a tool to subdue other cultures as La Raza and radical Islam are purporting, or even the elite American left.
You mean to tell me that not every single immigrant in the United States of America is a hard-working individual just trying to make ends meet and a better life?
No one ever said that every single immigrant is hard-working, but more are hard-working than buy into that La Raza garbage by an order of magnitude.
 
=pnewton;11904147]No one ever said that every single immigrant is hard-working, but more are hard-working
:rolleyes:

That’s all the open borders crowd talks about!
than buy into that La Raza garbage by an order of magnitude.
Ordinarily, I’d say that a majority doesn’t have to buy into racial supremacy. Think all the Germans, or even a majority bought into the Third Reich’s social doctrine of eradicating Jews and Gypsies?

But here it’s a moot point for two reasons. One, La Raza supporters never addressed my question about the increasing Asian population. Kind of puts a real kink in their goal. Two, La Raza’s response to the George Zimmerman case was hysterically funny and showed me they are all growl and no bite. They just like to wimper (as most left-wing radicals do) about Anglo-Saxon/northern Europeans.

So they don’t want to pay attention to Asians, who will soon outnumber African-Americans in this country, and they seem scared of African-Americans.
 
One shouldn’t stereotype one second, then say others shouldn’t stereotype.
 
Who said a thing about the moral fiber of illegal immigrants, I’m not content to see innocent Americans killed by foreigners not in this country legally if it is preventable.

desertdispatch.com/articles/illegal-167-aliens-rasmussen.html

Wherever Rep. King gets his data, something like this does happen nonetheless.

I don’t believe immigrants coming through a place with so much violence, transported by Human Trafficking Cartels, Organized Crime, does bode well.

If 19 of 20 undocumented workers are of high moral fiber, would it excuse the 1 of 20 who might end up killing someone on the highway or however?

Can you tell me the amount of violent crime committed by people we know nothing about you find acceptable to occur within the borders of the United States from people not legally here?
I call bs on the 12 murders per day by illegal aliens. That equates to over 4000 murders a year, which is over 25% of all murders in the US. That means 12M people are committing 25% of the murders in a country of 300M people. No way, I do not believe it.

I would like to see the source data for that.
 
A follow-up analysis on the BS 12 murders per day by illegal aliens.

In 1990 the number of illegal immigrants was estimated to be 3.5M, in 2008 the illegal immigrants was estimated to be 12M.
In 1990 there were over 9 murders per 100,000 people in the US. In 2008, the murder rate had dropped to a little under 5.

Now, you are telling me that illegal aliens commit murders at 10 times the rate of other americans (that is what 12 murders a day equates to) and yet the murder rate dropped by almost in half during the same time period that the number of illegals grew by more than 3X?

Sorry, that just cannot be the case. The murder rate would have been going up, instead it has gone down significantly.
 
Per post #21:
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Hispanic women are twice as likely to have an abortion that white women are.**
Read more: Hispanic Women are Twice as Likely to Have an Abortion than White Women whyprolife.com/latinos-and-abortion/#ixzz2z6DlzvNk

Even the Guttmacher Institute which seems to be Planned Parenthood’s own research says this and they have the stats to back it up. In effect, Guttmacher institute records the abortion industry in the US.

guttmacher.org/pubs/gpr/11/3/gpr110302.html
 
A follow-up analysis on the BS 12 murders per day by illegal aliens.

In 1990 the number of illegal immigrants was estimated to be 3.5M, in 2008 the illegal immigrants was estimated to be 12M.
In 1990 there were over 9 murders per 100,000 people in the US. In 2008, the murder rate had dropped to a little under 5.

Now, you are telling me that illegal aliens commit murders at 10 times the rate of other americans (that is what 12 murders a day equates to) and yet the murder rate dropped by almost in half during the same time period that the number of illegals grew by more than 3X?

Sorry, that just cannot be the case. The murder rate would have been going up, instead it has gone down significantly.
The Rememberance Project is a Memorial to the Victims of Illegal Aliens you might wish to know about.

theremembranceproject.org/
 
One shouldn’t stereotype one second, then say others shouldn’t stereotype.
That was kind of my point. What I find totally devoid of logic is that the stereotypes used to describe Mexican immigrants by those who oppose them being here (at least in the numbers they are) paint this population with murder, rape and abortion, when the number of workers, just plain workers, is by far a much larger percentage and a better representation.

No one ever said bigotry was logical.
 
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