Orthodox Jewish couples cannot have relations while a woman is in her period and for 5 days after. That is a couple a weeks a month. Most people believe that the few who engage in going to prostitutes (not always women I might add, which is another story) has to do with this situation, not modesty.
I am glad to hear that Serap. You have already demonstrated many times here at the Family Life forum that you have a beautiful spirit and that you love your husband and know his strengths/weaknesses and that you are thankful for your marriage.
Yes, I do understand the reasons. I have studied both Catholic and Orthodox Jewish teachings with regards to these matters. I find both to be very fascinating and illuminating, not to mention very helpful in having a healthy relationship with my husband. See, my point was more that if a couple values spontaneity in their lovemaking (which many do), then any moment might be a possibility. In the morning before the kids get out of bed, or in the afternoon while they are happily engaged in playing toys, or a quickie before dinner, or the middle of the night after an exciting dream. If I want to entice my husband, I should be enticing-looking any time that we are home. I shouldn’t wait until just the right moment happens, and then pull out all the stops. If I did that, we would make love far less often, and we would both suffer from it. Now, if we need to avoid pregnancy, and I am in a fertile time of month, then I must show the poor man some compassion and not parade around in my lingerie!
But if he catches a glimpse of me in the buff or in a ‘compromising’ position and becomes interested at a time when we are not able to have a roll in the hay, that is not wrong or sinful or cruel. We must all deal with mastering our passions, and we can help each other, certainly, but we cannot possibly control the situation to the point that we never arouse our spouse unless we intend to make love.Thanks! The quickest way to flatter me is to tell me I’m a good mother
I’m practicing NFP and can’t have relations 8 days after my period until after I’ve ovulated and 3 days after that. My husband still doesn’t cheat.
I don’t have any stats. I watched a documentary about 10 years ago or maybe longer. I just remembered it b/c I thought it was interesting. It may have been the Hasidic Jews; I can’t remember.Re the Orthodox Jewish guys…do we have a ratio on married/vs single HIV infection? Are there any stats on HIV in the NY community that anyone can post?
I actually find it refreshing that both spouses dress modestly, not just the wife, and they are open to life.
Also, it’s important to not confuse “Orthodox” with “Hasidim” not all Orthodox Jews look or dress like Hasidim…
But…that’s a whole other topic.
Then, there’s this other woman, wearing something that looks every bit like nighttime sexy lingerie, to be meant for the bedroom, not for the Holy Mass! And yet another woman in front of me, with her husband, with this shoulder-baring dress… I found myself cursing and swearing as the Mass started and these people came in and sat in front of me, and then I just looked to the ground, right in front of me, clinched my jaw (not to utter any swearwords) and didn’t turn to anyone, and didn’t greet anyone at the sign of peace, because I was still crazy mad and about to explode with anger! I just kneeled down, and bowed my head, not looking either left or right, or to anyone in front of me, during the sign of peace. This is my experience at church, during Holy Mass. And the next thing is apparently dressing little girls like this, and killing their sense of modesty. Yup. My family completely dropped watching TV after Katrina.
I agree. I however don’t see anything wrong with a slim fitting outfit as long as it’s not a second skin.
I can understand your reasoning, but is heat really that much of a concern? After all, I can’t think of any appropriate clothing for a man that wouldn’t at least be short sleeved and up to the neck. So why are women allowed to show more skin?
Very good point. It’s not even modest for men.
I also had a dress just like this a couple of years ago. I recently gave it to Goodwill, because the baby weight never came off before this pregnancy and I didn’t want that gorgeous frock taunting me every time I entered my closet.
And although it was strapless, as is yours, it was, by far the most modest dress that I have ever found. It covered everything from the clavicles to the ankles. That being said, my own personal preferences led me to always pair it with a crocheted elbow length summer shrug. It didn’t actually come with the dress, but suited it very well. But I have seen other women without a shrug in a similar dress, and the dress literally screams “I am a lady!”. So while a description of your dress might cause some raised eyebrows, I suspect that it actually wouldn’t cause that much of a stir in real life (other than people who just love shoulders). 
Actually, I got a compliment from a man saying that I looked very classy and he was sincere.
Yes, the dress is exactly as you described. It’s very lady like.I also had a dress just like this a couple of years ago. I recently gave it to Goodwill, because the baby weight never came off before this pregnancy and I didn’t want that gorgeous frock taunting me every time I entered my closet.
Edited to add: the dress being described here is very much like the frocks worn by heroines in Jane Austen films. Their summer frocks were lawn, cotton, or linen, with cap sleeves (the tiniest possible sleeve that can still be called a sleeve). Many of the women who love modest dresses love the Jane Austen look, because it is very flattering and forgiving. Women can look ladylike and pretty, without showing too much skin. Anyway, I think that is what Serap was describing. It certainly was the case for my similar dress.
The point is, women (or men) aren’t allowed to wear stuff that bares their shoulders, backs, or is above the knees, when attending church, but they do it anyway. Regarding men, just you wait. I have seen stuff…
Again, I’m talking about attending church in A-shirts, sleeveless muscle shirts, short shorts, by men. Inside the church. I’m not talking about the outside. Frankly, I don’t care what goes on in the outside. I now live in Sodom and Gomorrah (also called Miami Beach). (do you know, what it means, to miss New Orleans… flushed out by Katrina… I guess, mate, I often was in your neighborhood, in southern MS beaches, state parks, De Soto National Forest, Bogue Chitto, Pearl River… )