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greggy53 said:
My definition:
Any Christian doctrine or teaching that is directly opposed to official Catholic belief.
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You should add that official Catholic belief is what Jesus and the Apostles taught without changes, additions or subtractions.

PAX DOMINI :signofcross:

Shalom Aleichem
 
Javl said:
You should add that official Catholic belief is what Jesus and the Apostles taught without changes, additions or subtractions.

PAX DOMINI :signofcross:

Shalom Aleichem
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Goes without saying. The one true Church that Christ established.
 
greggy53 said:
Goes without saying. The one true Church that Christ established.
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I posted this
22And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
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23It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
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24For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
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25Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
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26For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
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27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
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28So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
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**There is no need to continually sacrifice Jesus. His sacrifice was sufficient for everyone for all time. **
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But when you made a reply to my post it somehow turned into this
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Originally Posted by Richard Kastner
There is no need to continually sacrifice Jesus. His sacrifice was sufficient for everyone for all . No matter what you say the reason is for the mass.
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Could you please explain why you think it is ok to change what I said and make it your own little editorial?
 
Richard_Kastner said:
I posted this

But when you made a reply to my post it somehow turned into this

Could you please explain why you think it is ok to change what I said and make it your own little editorial?
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I didn’t change anything, or alter any of your posts in any way.:confused:
 
greggy53 said:
I didn’t change anything, or alter any of your posts in any way.:confused:
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Ok, I see what you did.
Here is the quote as it appeared in your answer.
Originally Posted by Richard Kastner
There is no need to continually sacrifice Jesus. His sacrifice was sufficient for everyone for all . No matter what you say the reason is for the mass.
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Here is my original post.
Why do you ignore this verse greggy?
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Hebrews 9:22
And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
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No matter what you say the reason is for the mass. That it is a special communion that you have with your savior, don’t get me wrong it’s great that you can feel that connection with your Savior. But the undeniable fact is that Jesus came into this world for one reason and that was to die on the cross for our sins. And as it says here in Hebrews “Hebrews 9:22
And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.”
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Take a look at the rest of the passage in Heb.9
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22And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
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23It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
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24For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
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25Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
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26For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
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27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
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28So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
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**There is no need to continually sacrifice Jesus. His sacrifice was sufficient for everyone for all time. **
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You took the bottom emboldened quote chopped off the word time and then added the top emboldened quote, making a completely new statement. Which I must point out is your statement. Not a quote from me. A question that comes to mind is why would you do that? I think probably a diversion from the question posed. Which you still have not addressed. Please take a look at the passage from Hebrews above and in light of that passage, answer this question. What is the point of the bloodless sacrifice of the mass?
 
Richard_Kastner said:
Ok, I see what you did.
Here is the quote as it appeared in your answer.

Here is my original post.

You took the bottom emboldened quote chopped off the word time and then added the top emboldened quote, making a completely new statement. Which I must point out is your statement. Not a quote from me. A question that comes to mind is why would you do that? I think probably a diversion from the question posed. Which you still have not addressed. Please take a look at the passage from Hebrews above and in light of that passage, answer this question. What is the point of the bloodless sacrifice of the mass?
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I can assure you that if I mis quoted something you said, or added something to it is was purely accidental. I probably put a quote bracket in the wrong place. The question that comes to my mind is why you are so upset about it? I did answer your question about the point of the bloodless sacrifece. It’s in the Bible and I gave you the scripture for it. If you don’t agree and don’t accept it that is fine, but I did adress it…
 
greggy53 said:
I can assure you that if I mis quoted something you said, or added something to it is was purely accidental. I probably put a quote bracket in the wrong place. The question that comes to my mind is why you are so upset about it? I did answer your question about the point of the bloodless sacrifece. It’s in the Bible and I gave you the scripture for it. If you don’t agree and don’t accept it that is fine, but I did adress it…
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Hello Greggy53! Does the “53” stand for your age? (I was just wonderin’ 🙂

I know it can be a challenge with multiple quote brackets and getting them all to work out the way you intended…But can you bear with this dim-witted aging Protestant (me) and recap your reference to the “bloodless sacrifice,” the scripture for it, and what it means for Catholics? I had a quick look for it but as you know these are long threads, and it would likey be easier if you were to just recap it for me. I would be interested in seeing what you are getting at. 🙂
 
gitsch said:
A non-practicing Catholic friend of mine is being recruited by a 7th day adventist. I have plenty of info on Mormons and JW’s but not much on this group. The SDA is saying alot of bad things about Catholics. Can anyone help? So I can give her the best possible advice.

thanks in advance
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It’s too strict!

Here are points I picked up during my own investigation:
  • They aggressively refute non SDAs, not just Catholics.
  • They only recently adopted the trinity doctrine.
  • I heard one claim the wrath of God is on Christians who don’t believe in soul sleep.
  • Christians must believe Ellen White is irrefutable or at least close to. SDA pastors who don’t have claimed to have been disassociated.
  • Christians are advised to be vegetarian, only eat a little egg and nowadays *no *fish. (Their health advisors believe the sea is too polluted).
  • No jewellry or wedding rings
  • Cosmetics are frowned upon
  • Plain dress only
  • No caffeine, alcohol or tobacco
  • They stress over simple things like driving a car to the airport on the Sabbath
  • they especially stress over what their children do on the Sabbath day
  • Bible Studies and church take up half the Sabbath day
  • They avoid questions and can be rude and when answering (very defensive)
That was just my own experience. I hope your friend is happy and considers any children involved.
 
Australis said:
It’s too strict!

Here are points I picked up during my own investigation:
  • They aggressively refute non SDAs, not just Catholics.
  • They only recently adopted the trinity doctrine.
  • I heard one claim the wrath of God is on Christians who don’t believe in soul sleep.
  • Christians must believe Ellen White is irrefutable or at least close to. SDA pastors who don’t have claimed to have been disassociated.
  • Christians are advised to be vegetarian, only eat a little egg and nowadays *no *fish. (Their health advisors believe the sea is too polluted).
  • No jewellry or wedding rings
  • Cosmetics are frowned upon
  • Plain dress only
  • No caffeine, alcohol or tobacco
  • They stress over simple things like driving a car to the airport on the Sabbath
  • they especially stress over what their children do on the Sabbath day
  • Bible Studies and church take up half the Sabbath day
  • They avoid questions and can be rude and when answering (very defensive)
That was just my own experience. I hope your friend is happy and considers any children involved.
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Is this the best you can do?
 
Protestant101 said:
Hello Greggy53! Does the “53” stand for your age? (I was just wonderin’ 🙂

I know it can be a challenge with multiple quote brackets and getting them all to work out the way you intended…But can you bear with this dim-witted aging Protestant (me) and recap your reference to the “bloodless sacrifice,” the scripture for it, and what it means for Catholics? I had a quick look for it but as you know these are long threads, and it would likey be easier if you were to just recap it for me. I would be interested in seeing what you are getting at. 🙂
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Try starting at post 551. The post was refering to the book of Revelation 8…The altar in Heaven before the throne of God.

53 is my yob
 
Do SDAs believe that they belong to the “one true church” a la Catholics, Orthodox, Mormons, etc?
 
CatholicGuyNY said:
Do SDAs believe that they belong to the “one true church” a la Catholics, Orthodox, Mormons, etc?
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Short answer—No. They believe they are the one true church.

Long Answer—SDA’s believe the Catholic church is the great whore of Revelation, and all of the Protestant churches are daughters of the great whore who have fallen from true Christianity. Ellen White said that the name Seventh Day Adventist was to be a rebuke to other Christians, who had forgotten the seventh day sabbath and no longer looked for the soon return of Christ.

However, they believe that the Holy Spirit is still working within all the denominations and salvation is possible within these fallen churches UNTIL what is called ‘the close of probation’.

SDA’s believe there is coming a time in the very near future when God will call all true Christians into the SDA church; Sunday laws will be passed making Sunday worship mandatory with the penalty for violating these laws being death; the Holy Spirit will no longer work within these other denominations; God will no longer intercede in heaven and this will be where probation is closed as seen in Revelation where the text says 'let he that is clean remain clean and he that is filthy, let him remain filthy. At that point, all true Christians are in the SDA church or hold the same beliefs, no changing of beliefs is possible and Christ returns.

Confused? I don’t blame you…
 
Australis said:
It’s too strict!

Here are points I picked up during my own investigation:
  • They aggressively refute non SDAs, not just Catholics.
  • They only recently adopted the trinity doctrine.
  • I heard one claim the wrath of God is on Christians who don’t believe in soul sleep.
  • Christians must believe Ellen White is irrefutable or at least close to. SDA pastors who don’t have claimed to have been disassociated.
  • Christians are advised to be vegetarian, only eat a little egg and nowadays *no *fish. (Their health advisors believe the sea is too polluted).
  • No jewellry or wedding rings
  • Cosmetics are frowned upon
  • Plain dress only
  • No caffeine, alcohol or tobacco
  • They stress over simple things like driving a car to the airport on the Sabbath
  • they especially stress over what their children do on the Sabbath day
  • Bible Studies and church take up half the Sabbath day
  • They avoid questions and can be rude and when answering (very defensive)
That was just my own experience. I hope your friend is happy and considers any children involved.
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You forgot to add that they do not worship on Sundays, but on Saturdays ( Sabbatarianism ). Those that worship on Sunday violate God’s commandment.

Jesus was Michael the Archangel before He became the Son of God.

PAX DOMINI :signofcross:

Shalom Aleichem
 
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