Info on SDA

[Richard_Kastner]

“Probably showing his wounds” And why would he have to do that? Everyone in Heaven knows what he did?

I use the phrase “Probably showing his wounds” Because there were two ways to show Jesus, but after thinking about it, it tells us how He was depicted. And that is as a “Lamb as it had been slain”. Your question " And why would he have to do that?" is irrelevant because He is depicted this way.

St John didn’t depict him this way, the holy spirit was showing St John how it was is and always will be in Heaven. Jesus stands before the throne of God as slain before the foundation of the world. As he always was and and will be time without end. Amen.

You say “St John didn’t depict him this way”. Well here read it for yourself.
Rev.6
6And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. 7And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne. 8And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. 9And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

Yes Jesus as both God and man was crucified on the cross once. But as we plainly see in Revelations he stands before his father with his sacrifice and the saints who offer up our prayers continually.

And I reply again. Why then is there an alter in Heaven before the throne of God as seen in chapter 8? What is the sole purpose of an altar? and why if there is no sacrifice in heaven would one be there?
Rev 8:[1] And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven, as it were for half an hour. [2] And I saw seven angels standing in the presence of God; and there were given to them seven trumpets. [3] And another angel came, and stood before the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given to him much incense, that he should offer of the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar, which is before the throne of God. [4] And the smoke of the incense of the prayers of the saints ascended up before God from the hand of the angel. [5] And the angel took the censer, and filled it with the fire of the altar, and cast it on the earth, and there were thunders and voices and lightnings, and a great earthquake.

I’m sure you will agree greggy that the book of Revelations has much symbolic language in it. There is much allusion to the sanctuary. In the sanctuary there are two alters. One is the alter of burnt offerings which is in the courtyard and is the alter that was used to sacrifice the LAMB OF GOD.The alter that you refer to in Rev. 8 is the alter of incense and is symbolic of the prayers of the saints. This alter is one of the few things in the sanctuary that does not directly point to Jesus.

Another thing that should be brought out. The book of Revelation or any other book of the bible was not given to show those in heaven anything. So, when you ask “And why would he have to do that? Everyone in Heaven knows what he did.” That may well be, but this book was given to us to show the things that must shortly come to pass.

Revelation 1
1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

We Catholics see and experience this mystical bloodless sacrifice at Mass as the priest offers up our prayers with incense. The body and blood of our Lord is given to us that we may eat and drink his flesh as he commanded. One body, one blood, one Church, one bride united with the bridegroom.

Why do you ignore this verse greggy?

Hebrews 9:22
And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

No matter what you say the reason is for the mass. That it is a special communion that you have with your savior, don’t get me wrong it’s great that you can feel that connection with your Savior. But the undeniable fact is that Jesus came into this world for one reason and that was to die on the cross for our sins. And as it says here in Hebrews “Hebrews 9:22
And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.”

Take a look at the rest of the passage in Heb.9

22And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

23It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

24For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

25Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

26For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

28So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

There is no need to continually sacrifice Jesus. His sacrifice was sufficient for everyone for all time.

 

[Richard_Kastner]

“The tradition of the Apostles has been made manifest throughout the world, and can be found in every Church by those who wish to know the truth.” – Irenaeus, writing about A.D. 189, on how the unity of the Church was based on the Apostolic Tradition everywhere handed down (paradosis).

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

The unity of the church is based on the indwelling of the Spirit of God.

Eph.4
1I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,

2With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;

3Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

4There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

5One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

6One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

7But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

Matt.16
13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

14He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

1Cor.2
9But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

10But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

11For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[greggy53]

You say “St John didn’t depict him this way”. Well here read it for yourself.Rev.6
6And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. 7And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne. 8And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. 9And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

I have read it, and more importantly so has the Church. “I beheld” …“I was in the spirit on the Lords day”…In the spirit means Holy Spirit, the Holy spirit revealed this to him that is why it is called a “Revelation”…Not St John’s imagination.You down play what you wish to ignore, and point to scriptures that niether prove your point or discredit what the Church teaches.

I’m sure you will agree greggy that the book of Revelations has much symbolic language in it. There is much allusion to the sanctuary. In the sanctuary there are two alters. One is the alter of burnt offerings which is in the courtyard and is the alter that was used to sacrifice the LAMB OF GOD.The alter that you refer to in Rev. 8 is the alter of incense and is symbolic of the prayers of the saints. This alter is one of the few things in the sanctuary that does not directly point to Jesus.

The Altar in Rev8 is an altar. The incense represents the prayers of the saints poured out on to the altar. The altar where the sacrifice takes place.

Another thing that should be brought out. The book of Revelation or any other book of the bible was not given to show those in heaven anything. So, when you ask “And why would he have to do that? Everyone in Heaven knows what he did.” That may well be, but this book was given to us to show the things that must shortly come to pass.

St John was given a vison of Heaven. And in heaven there is an altar. you don’t like it because it doesn’t fit into what you have been told. You have memorized certain scriptures that match what you want to believe and when confronted with the ones you don’t you explain away or ignore.

There is no need to continually sacrifice Jesus. His sacrifice was sufficient for everyone for all . No matter what you say the reason is for the mass.

The Mass was instituted by Jesus Christ at the last supper. you tell him you don’t need the Mass.

 

[greggy53]

Another thought about symbolism. Isn’t the throne of God in Rev 8 a symbol?. God is a spirit so then does he actually sit on a throne? The incense is also a symbol, a symbol of the sweet prayers rising up to Heaven. So then the altar is a symbol too. A symbol of the sacrifice of the lamb. The lamb that is slain is a symbol of our Lord Jesus. These are images given to St John in a way that we can understand them. They are all important and all represent the very real existance of the purpose and presence of God. You cannot discount the altar and what is means, it’s purpose without discounting the incense, or the throne, or the lamb all of which are very real in what they represent. The sacrifice of the Mass is very real, as real as Jesus who offered up himself at the first Mass saying: “Take this and eat it it is my body which will be given up for many.”

 

[Protestant101]

Since this thread is called “Info ON SDAs” I will try to reply in that light.

No. This is not what we tell God at all Greggy53. We understand it differently; but we definitely do not speak to God like this about Holy Communion. IN fact; we call it exactly what the Bible calls it: The Lord’s Supper, as in Luke 22:20 where Jesus refers to it as “supper.”

The official Adventist statement about The Lord’s Supper reads as follows:

1. The Lord’s Supper:
   The Lord’s Supper is a participation in the emblems of the body and blood of Jesus as an expression of faith in Him, our Lord and Saviour. In this experience of communion Christ is present to meet and strengthen His people. As we partake, we joyfully proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes again. Preparation for the Supper includes self-examination, repentance, and confession. The Master ordained the service of foot washing to signify renewed cleansing, to express a willingness to serve one another in Christlike humility, and to unite our hearts in love. The communion service is open to all believing Christians.

 

[greggy53]

I don’t mean this disrespectfully; but I have noticed that the Catholic Service does not include the footwashing part of it which Jesus Himself not only told us to do; but He did it Himself too. Missing out on this important detail can and does detract from the true import of this essential Sacrament; and, the claim that we need to literally eat the literal flesh of Christ to somehow re-enact His Sacrifice denies the faith component of how we are to “accept Jesus” and His Sacrifice on Calvary. :

We do indeed perform foot washing on special occasions like Holy Thursday. Jesus did not command us to do foot washing, but he did command us to eat his flesh and drink his blood.
john 6:[53] The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying: How can this man give us his flesh to eat? [54] Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you. [55] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day. For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed. [57] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him. [58] As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father; so he that eateth me, the same also shall live by me. [59] This is the bread that came down from heaven. Not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead. He that eateth this bread, shall live for ever.
Matt26: 26And whilst they were at supper, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke: and gave to his disciples, and said: Take ye, and eat. This is my body. [27] And taking the chalice, he gave thanks, and gave to them, saying: Drink ye all of this. [28] For this is my blood of the new testament, which shall be shed for many unto remission of sins.
1st cor: The chalice of benediction, which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? And the bread, which we break, is it not the partaking of the body of the Lord?
I could add more , but you get the point…or evidently you don’t.

You see, just like in the old testament sanctuary service; we can say of the modern-day Lord’s Supper, "In every part of it was a symbol of Him,’ and while Christians can and should and do “apply” the sacrifice, at Mass or The Lord’s Supper, or Communion services, and others of the Sacraments; there is no Biblical precedent or admonishment to suppose that we somehow actually re-enact His “once for all” Sacrifice. Just as you supposed all the symbolism in Rev 8; Jesus makes it clear that all the components of the Last Supper are symbols, for there can be only one real sacrifice, not by man, not by Priest turning biscuits into Jesus; but by Christ GIVING Himself. (John 3:16). :

There is indeed ample scriptural evidence for it. You just don’t want to interpret it that way. The OT laws have been fulfilled in Christ. Sanctuary service (whatever that is) has been replaced by the words and deeds of our Lord in the Eucharistic celebration.

Now; before you start calling me a Catholic hater and such; let it also be known that I have enjoyed the times when I attended Catholic Mass. I know that they would not approve of me taking the bread or the wine at Mass, so I always respect that, but it has still been a special time of re-committment to God, and renewing of my faith in Him by seeing the faith and committment of Catholics at this service, and by listening to the Word of God as it is read during this special time for Catholics.
Seeing this eating of the bread portion differently than Catholics does not make me a Catholic hater or anti-Catholic. The original disciples of Jesus did not always see things eye to eye; but they could still count each other as “brethren” because of their common faith in Christ;" and of being His brethren by faith.

No, being an unbeliever does not make you a Catholic hater. Many followers like yourself of the so-called reformation do not believe. Jesus also spoke of it in John 6: “But some of you believeth not.”
What sets the SDA apart from the others is the malice they show towards Christ’s Church in the form of the leaders that HE appointed. Calling the “Church of Rome” the “Whore of Babylon” among many other horrid things is what makes the SDA sect anti-Christian in my humble opinion.

 

[Protestant101]

Many followers like yourself of the so-called reformation do not believe. Jesus also spoke of it in John 6: “But some of you believeth not.”
What sets the SDA apart from the others is the malice they show towards Christ’s Church in the form of the leaders that HE appointed. Calling the “Church of Rome” the “Whore of Babylon” among many other horrid things is what makes the SDA sect anti-Christian in my humble opinion.

Calling us “anti-Christian” is calling us “anti-Christ,” and there can be no mistake that this is the attitude of many Catholics, including your leaders. This label you yourself have applied to us also pre-supposes that the Roman Catholic Church is the only “true” Christian Church. Now if you wouldn’t call your terminology “horrible” I wonder what you would call it?

 

[greggy53]

Calling us “anti-Christian” is calling us “anti-Christ,” and there can be no mistake that this is the attitude of many Catholics, including your leaders. This label you yourself have applied to us also pre-supposes that the Roman Catholic Church is the only “true” Christian Church. Now if you wouldn’t call your terminology “horrible” I wonder what you would call it?

I believe that the Catholic Church is the one true church. If I didn’t I wouldn’t be Catholic.

 

[Protestant101]

I believe that the Catholic Church is the one true church. If I didn’t I wouldn’t be Catholic.

Yes; that’s fine; but you were lamenting the fact that we allegedly call the Catholic Church certain names; Yet you see fit to call Adventists by those very same names. Your leadership aparently supports you in this or I would have been shown otherwise here.

Is it right for you to point your finger when you do the very thing you are pointing at? And maybe IF you can explain that one; you could also comment on whether or not you are aressing our beliefs or the people of the Adventist Church when you say we are “anti-Christ?”

 

[greggy53]

Yes; that’s fine; but you were lamenting the fact that we allegedly call the Catholic hurch certain names; Yet you see fit to call Adventists by those very same names. Your leadership aparently supports you in this or I would have been shown otherwise here.

Is it right for you to point your finger when you do the very thing you are pointing at? And maybe IF you can explain that one; you could also comment on whether or not you are aressing our beliefs or the people of the Adventist Church when you say we are “anti-Christ?”

It doesn’t feel good when the shoe is on the other foot does it?
Now you know how we feel…The Church officially says that your baptism is valid, and the church treats you like they would any other separated bretheren. Which is a lot more generous than what the offical SDA says about us.

 

[Protestant101]

It doesn’t feel good when the shoe is on the other foot does it?
Now you know how we feel…The Church officially says that your baptism is valid, and the church treats you like they would any other separated bretheren. Which is a lot more generous than what the offical SDA says about us.

LOL; I don’t mind what you call us, I was just making a point about your accusations. You are quite welcome to call me Satan Incarnate if you want, it doesn’t matter a bit to me. It just tells me more about Catholic thinking. I remain hopeful that there will always be some of us who can still show the love of Jesus towards one another.

I wonder if you will answer my question re are you calling Adventist beliefs or people Anti-Christ?

 

[RonTheNewJew]

Oh Goody. I took a couple of days off and here are the two who say on one side, “We didn’t do it.” Then, on the other side, both accuse the other of doing what they each one say they, themselves, didn’t do. To say that a religious organzation is “anti-Christ,” or as the leader of the other one said, and apparently still maintains, “You protestants are not real churches because you don’t have apostolic succession,” which means that Protestant teachings are therefore not Christian unless they agree with the Catholic Church’s teachings, is to say that those Protestant teachings are against, or anti-Christ, is to judge each other. That is, to basicly consign each other to the flames in the hot place.

Remember the words, “Judge not that ye be not judged, For wherein thou judgest another, thou shalt likewise be also judged.” Now I know it appears that I am saying to both the Catholic and Adventist denominations of Christianity that you both do not have the right to make such statements about each other. That is not what I’m saying. I’m just saying that you should, if you must, just say such things, then admit that each of you thinks the other is hellbound, then allow each one of you to think that about the other, and then shake hands, tell each other that, down deep inside you are just concerned about the other and vice-versa, and that that is the reason you are so moved to publicly make such statements.

Then when you both realize that one of the biggest, if not the biggest, reason for both of your churches making such statements is because you wish to bully each other into protecting your turf (each one their own “flock”) from being proselyted by the other. Both denominations are aggressive in that area. Or so say my non-Christian Jewish friends, a few of whom have tried to get me to stop believing in Jesus. They say this is because the Christians who changed everything Jewish about the religion that the Jew, Yeshua ha-Maschach (Jesus the Messiah) told some of their ancestors to pass on to the Goyim of the world, never brought peace to the Jews or to the world. And, besides, they say that most of the wars and religious persecution over the past nearly 2,000 has come from “Christians.” And all because each one thought that only his faith and doctrines were the only correct ones.

No wonder that many of them think that salvation is only possible for blood, Torah-observant Jews. Funny thing, if they would just add Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount, His atoning sacrifice, his second coming (ie, understand the centrality of Jesus to their current faith and relgious practices, they might well have what Jesus gave them in the first place: salvation. But, understand that all of the above is just my own personal belief system. If it bothers you, just pay no attention to all my ramble. Baruch ata Elohim
Shalom.

PS. There are a lot of hungry Americans,not to mention in the rest of the world who need the help of both bodies of Christians. Many homeless as well.

 

[Protestant101]

Oh Goody. I took a couple of days off and here are the two who say on one side, “We didn’t do it.” Then, on the other side, both accuse the other of doing what they each one say they, themselves, didn’t do. To say that a religious organzation is “anti-Christ,” or as the leader of the other one said, and apparently still maintains, “You protestants are not real churches because you don’t have apostolic succession,” which means that Protestant teachings are therefore not Christian unless they agree with the Catholic Church’s teachings, is to say that those Protestant teachings are against, or anti-Christ, is to judge each other. That is, to basicly consign each other to the flames in the hot place.

Remember the words, “Judge not that ye be not judged, For wherein thou judgest another, thou shalt likewise be also judged.”

I have not denied any Adventist teaching about “Anti-Christ;” so don’t go saying that I did please. What I have tried to do is to clarify our belief. I am trying to find out from Greggy53 if Catholics apply the same standards to themselves, as they apparently expect of other denominations who oppose their beliefs. It is actually against the forum rules here for an Adventist to call Catholics ‘anti-Christ’ and the like, so I am wondering why it is OK for him to do it to Adventists, or to other churches.

You falsely portray the Bible admonition about judging one another too, for Jesus also said to “judge righteous judgment.” (John 7:24). In other words we need to distinguish what is right or wrong. There’s nothing wrong with that.

 

[Protestant101]

PS. There are a lot of hungry Americans,not to mention in the rest of the world who need the help of both bodies of Christians. Many homeless as well.

I wonder how many of these you “help” as you say this. How do you know our involvement in helping the less fortunate?

 

[RonTheNewJew]

Protestant101. Thanks for your response. Indeed, I have read and heard of the Adventist’s great work and care for people who suffer. My wife and I care for a severely autistic young man in our home. As a legally blind old Jew, aside from making financial contributions to special programs for prisoners, and our work of spreading the spirit of Jesus, Whom we call Yeshua (His Hebrew name), as the Holy Spirit, given to His disciples on the day,Shavuot (now called “Pentecost”), as His work in our lives is explained in, and we are yearly reminded of in the holy convocations He gave in the everlasting covenant (Exodus 34), I’m doing the best I can as far as I know.

I would just add that I think you should judge righteous judgements as you have indicated. However, I think that making such judgements is something you, and the Catholic members who also contribute to this forum, should consider doing in ways that are not offensive to anyone else. Though I don’t want to hold my own sinful self up as a model for anyone, what I tried to do in the above paragraph is speak positively about what I believe, without saying that someone else’s doctrines are false. Perhaps, when done this way, others can study what you find positive about your beliefs. Then they can decide for themselves what is righteous.

I believe the Spirit of Jesus is contained in the deep spiritual themes of those annual holy days and times. They are what most earthly Jews, through their own selfishness, missed.
I believe that Jesus, in His Sermon on the Mount, pointed people back to those themes from the plan of salvation during those annual special times. They were appointed long after the animal sacrifices started at the gate of the Garden of Eden.

What ever happened to the nuns (the sisters who we used to see who worked in hospitals and clinics, and who worked in the streets for the poor, hungry, the outcasts? They were a real inspiration to many.

 

[Protestant101]

I would just add that I think you should judge righteous judgements as you have indicated. However, I think that making such judgements is something you, and the Catholic members who also contribute to this forum, should consider doing in ways that are not offensive to anyone else.

I will give you credit - you have tried valiantly to do this; but to think that it is possible to object to things here without offending someone, is not realistic. I don’t post with the goal of “not offending” people. I do try to be polite and use some manners, and I know you do too. But I hope you realize too that it didn’t matter to me what you do to reach out out to others, or if you even do anything in that department; I was making the point that we have enough to do for God ourselves without politely accusing people of not doing it in their own lives as you have done.

Talking about Jesus, and the truth, has always been offensive to some:

Rom 9:33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

 

[Javl]

I have not denied any Adventist teaching about “Anti-Christ;” so don’t go saying that I did please. What I have tried to do is to clarify our belief. I am trying to find out from Greggy53 if Catholics apply the same standards to themselves, as they apparently expect of other denominations who oppose their beliefs. It is actually against the forum rules here for an Adventist to call Catholics ‘anti-Christ’ and the like, so I am wondering why it is OK for him to do it to Adventists, or to other churches.

You falsely portray the Bible admonition about judging one another too, for Jesus also said to “judge righteous judgment.” (John 7:24). In other words we need to distinguish what is right or wrong. There’s nothing wrong with that.

Without apologizing for greggy53, I think that his objection is to the SDA Church and its leadership for the lies and misconceptions that it has spread about Catholicism. I also object to the SDA Church, but I do not object or judge any individual SDA member, for this is what they are taught.

One reason for these threads is to provide a dialogue between disparate Churches and beliefs in order to set the record, from both sides, straight. And, yes, there are those that refuse to listen and insist that they are correct and you are totally irrefutibly wrong without truly examining all scriptural evidence. Or, that they are so mind-set/brainwashed as to ignore whatever is presented in explanation or refutation.

I admit that I have fallen into that category and have locked horns. But, in all humility, I say and do admit that I am in error when I truly am. If only we all do and communicate properly with each other in all humility and with Christian Charity how much better off we would all be. Remember, we are all children of the one Father. There should be no sibling rivalry. God Bless.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Alechem

 

[Protestant101]

Without apologizing for greggy53, I think that his objection is to the SDA Church and its leadership for the lies and misconceptions that it has spread about Catholicism. I also object to the SDA Church, but I do not object or judge any individual SDA member, for this is what they are taught.

One reason for these threads is to provide a dialogue between disparate Churches and beliefs in order to set the record, from both sides, straight. And, yes, there are those that refuse to listen and insist that they are correct and you are totally irrefutibly wrong without truly examining all scriptural evidence. Or, that they are so mind-set/brainwashed as to ignore whatever is presented in explanation or refutation.

I admit that I have fallen into that category and have locked horns. But, in all humility, I say and do admit that I am in error when I truly am. If only we all do and communicate properly with each other in all humility and with Christian Charity how much better off we would all be. Remember, we are all children of the one Father. There should be no sibling rivalry. God Bless.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Alechem

Hey; I really appreciate the kind thoughts. I am afraid I too am guilty of “locking horns” on this forum “a bit” so we are both in good company. I don’t really see my church as “disparate” or “brain-washed,” but I can understand why you might feel like this is the case. Lets continue to seek that “humility” when “contrasting and comparing” our respective beliefs, which is the stated purpose of this particular forum. Till next time - may God bless…:tanning:

 

[me_again]

I admit that Ellen White spread heresies. It has all been posted within this thread.

 

[Protestant101]

I admit that Ellen White spread heresies. It has all been posted within this thread.

I think the word you are looking for is “proclaim” not “admit.”