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Ellen White’s prophecy failed and all her followers died, to include White. Instead of admitting that her SDA prophecy was false, you use more of Ellen White’s writings to prove that her failed prophecy was justified because “God changed His mind.” :rolleyes:

This kind of demonic reasoning shows that many SDAs are deluded**:**

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12

Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

And for this cause **God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness**.

Only the Holy Spirit can help the SDAs break-free from their demonic entrapment. This entire thread demonstrates the hardness of the SDAs hearts. They are to be categorized with the JWs.

The facts have been presented. Good bye. :highprayer:
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You have completely ignored my answer and the Bible texts that support it. I am interested to see your response along with Biblical support.
 
To my Catholic friends I would say that the question by implication, “Info On SDA,” leaves out the rest of mainstream Protestantism and what it is currently saying about Catholic doctrine. As an educated Jewish Chrisian, I guess I feel that I can sort of “pick and choose” which other Christian denominations are also “demonic” in their doctrines, and highly critical of the Catholic Church’s teachings on many issues. I started going to the web-sites posted by leaders and ministries of other Christian denominations and what they have to say about the Roman Catholic denomination of Christianity.

If you go to The Birth Of The Papacy - The Landover Baptist Church Forums, as a search engine, what you will see there will pale to insignficance anything that SDAs or Messianic Jews may have said about the specific teachings of the Catholic Church. And the Baptists aren’t alone.

The point I’m trying to make here is that, even when it’s your denomination’s web-site, when you invite comments about a third party, in this case the SDA denomination of Judeo-Christianity, from people who belong to “non-Catholic religions,” and Protestants are certainly parts of Judeo-Christianity whether the RCC considers that so or not, then when members of the denomination being asked about post their replies, that respondents at least give those who answer some decency, grace and respect. Afterall, the resondents who post their answers in efforts to reflect their own faith and doctrines, may not hold the same views as other members of their particular denomination(s)
 
Richard,

The Catholic Church has had members who committed grave acts and tarnished the image of the Church which many sects thrive on. What people don’t realize is how many of those Catholic clergy who even contributed to the Protestant reformation by their own sinful actions, did ask God forgiveness and were forgiven.

The Catholic Church is self-reforming. You can’t say that the Lord can forgive the Church as an institution as each one of us is called to the vocation of holiness. Christ looks at each individual, not a set belief system.

And to condemn universal Christianity is weak. It is so easy to do and people who make broad and sweeping condemnations of Catholics are not knowledgeable as well of the history of faith. You have heard countless times that the Bible is prone to misinterpretation, and its misuse leading Christians to hate one another…

I have read it here by a recent poster that Catholics need to be saved by SDA’s thinking or we are going to hell…that is your 1800 mindset.

Such sects thrive on the failings of others and refuse to follow reason and education to in finding the truth…

As such to hold such condemnation towards other forms of Christianity, and I have been a Catholic my entire life, and to see your religion make such remarks about me and my faith and my fellow Catholics who don’t fit into your stereotype is indeed unChristlike. To not seek the truth of others and their goodness is also not Christlike.

It is coming out on some conservative threads that there are now great discoveries being made after 2,000 years that mainline Christianity is based on paganism. Ludicrous. There was a Catholic on here a few months ago who gave documented sources on the origins of our practices…and you have to recall that the faith has srpead throughout many parts of the world with their own local customs and cultures…these churches having their own autonomy, and yet compliant to Rome in its work to maintain a universal faith.

St. Augustine, St. Thomas Aquinas did not speak for the whole church. What opinions and teachings of theirs were very specific to their own experiences or the times they lived in, were not automatically taken as the fullness of truth. The Church always draws on and lets go whatever sustains and upholds the universal belief that Christ died for all men, irregardless of times and cultures.

Your SDA religion does not. If it did not have the Catholic Church to condemn and lift itself up as superior…well, then where would it be…people always need a scape goat.

You have seen many Scriptural quotes on supporting the belief of the Eucharist, the centrality of faith since its beginnings, as well as early church documents, so I won’t repeat the same to you again for what, the sixth, seventh or upteenth time…
 
Ronthejew,

I do not go to any other forum. But I am here to share the truth of my faith to others…people come in to disprove and you can spend alot of time taking Bible quotes and sending them back and forth, and it does no good.

Faith is a grace. And I am well aware of the attitude of other Christians towards my church. In real life, I build bridges and find common ground.

Here with the SDA’s, the common ground is belief in the Holy Trinity and the Creed…basic concepts of faith, and yet we are condemned. You never hear a priest at Mass condemn other Christians but we refer to them as separated brethren.

Again, I think considering your background, you really should visit the Hebrew Catholics. I am an associate of them and am relearning the Old Testament through them. Their newsletters are fantastic and you should sign up…they may be able to touch on sensitivities you may have that I as a Gentile would not, and thus would not be able to articulate.

But Christianity through the Gentile revolves around the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. And it might be good as well to get your self a universal Catholic Catechism to see our true source. It has footnotes, reference to documents…
 
KathleenGee said:
Ronthejew,
Faith is a grace. And I am well aware of the attitude of other Christians towards my church. In real life, I build bridges and find common ground.

Here with the SDA’s, the common ground is belief in the Holy Trinity and the Creed…basic concepts of faith, and yet we are condemned. You never hear a priest at Mass condemn other Christians but we refer to them as separated brethren.
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This is true and is one thing I truly appreciate about the Catholic Church. I go to mass often with my wife and have never been treated with anything less than kindness and acceptance. In truth, the Catholic Church accepts my marriage when the Adventist Church doesn’t. Because of this and other things I hold the Catholic Church in high regard.

Adventist belief of where the Catholic Church sits in prophecy is a small part of who we are, we are not Catholic haters, we are Christians who love God.
 
CatholicLover said:
This is true and is one thing I truly appreciate about the Catholic Church. I go to mass often with my wife and have never been treated with anything less than kindness and acceptance. In truth, the Catholic Church accepts my marriage when the Adventist Church doesn’t. Because of this and other things I hold the Catholic Church in high regard.

Adventist belief of where the Catholic Church sits in prophecy is a small part of who we are, we are not Catholic haters, we are Christians who love God.
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I’m really glad to hear that about the way you are being treated .:)…The problem with the other thing about how the “Church sits in prophesy” is that we, the people you see and meet at Mass ARE the Church. So on the one hand you tell us how accepting and kind we are, and then turn around and say the opposite in the “prophesy” about the same people.
We are not separate from our beliefs. If you claim the Church is evil then you claim that we are evil too. That’s the problem that some SDA’s and other Protestants don’t understand. When you reject our Pope, and our Bishops and priests you reject us.
 
greggy53 said:
We are not separate from our beliefs. If you claim the Church is evil then you claim that we are evil too. That’s the problem that some SDA’s and other Protestants don’t understand. When you reject our Pope, and our Bishops and priests you reject us.
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I know this is the way some would like it to sound - then they have a reason to condemn us with the same condemnation they accuse us of. If we take your thought a little further, then when you reject one of our beliefs, you also reject/condemn us. That’s not how it works. I have family and friends that are Roman Catholics, and not a one of them are worried about me “rejecting/condemning” them; and they are well aware of my beliefs.
 
KathleenGee said:
Ronthejew,

I do not go to any other forum. But I am here to share the truth of my faith to others…people come in to disprove and you can spend alot of time taking Bible quotes and sending them back and forth, and it does no good.

Faith is a grace. And I am well aware of the attitude of other Christians towards my church. In real life, I build bridges and find common ground.

Here with the SDA’s, the common ground is belief in the Holy Trinity and the Creed…basic concepts of faith, and yet we are condemned. You never hear a priest at Mass condemn other Christians but we refer to them as separated brethren. Then I say we can now be at spiritual peace with each other, whether Catholic, SDA, Jewish (including myself; a Jew who became a Messianic: a believer in Jesus, the Meschaich-the Messiah of all mankind. What you have said, it seems to me, is that we all have our sets of beliefs and doctrines, and neither your denomination or mine or the SDA, or Baptists, Methodists, Lutherans, or any others should condemn people because of which set of beliefs they happen to adhere to.

Yeshua’s (Jesus") blessings on you for your stand for the actual Love of Christ as seen in what you said in the paragraph above.

RonTheNewJew

Again, I think considering your background, you really should visit the Hebrew Catholics. I am an associate of them and am relearning the Old Testament through them. Their newsletters are fantastic and you should sign up…they may be able to touch on sensitivities you may have that I as a Gentile would not, and thus would not be able to articulate.

But Christianity through the Gentile revolves around the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. And it might be good as well to get your self a universal Catholic Catechism to see our true source. It has footnotes, reference to documents…
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Catholiclover,

Wouldn’t you say that our behavior and vision of non-Catholics as being more Christlike…I don’t see the spirit of anti-Christ at the Mass or working through the papacy…same spirit, same faith …

I wonder if you have heard any teachings that contradict your spirit,…I mean your inner faith when you go to Mass.

I am befriending an older couple who a part of a pioneer expression of faith here in the NW. They do not want to be involved in controversy. So they have been meeting in homes with their families for over 110 years…gentle spirits, love nature and the land, good sense of humor, listening, and loving. I have shared with them my identity. They want me to come to their next fellowship meeting in their home next week. I was busy and couldn’t come, but was in another room down the hall, and it sounded no different than a private Catholic Bible study…but will go attend to see. I heard a woman share for awhile.

If I am of the anti-Christ, then why am I relating to the same Christ and Holy Spirit in these people???

The sects that came out of America during the 1800’s all had this condemnation of Catholicism.
 
When I see some of the attitudes of the SDA’s here…if I pulled out some Christian saying they would probably like it.

But if it was already id’d as coming from a Catholic source, they would automatically condemn it.

You can’t have the Bible without the Church. The Church put together the books of the Bibles and the Gospels and the Epistles that would uphold the central message of Christ as Savior and Redeemer, Who lived, preached, healed, commissioned His apostles to begin His church, was crucified and resurrected into heaven. The faith of the church must be expressed in a way that is universal, not particular to an individual or a sect or a region, but to the universal condition of all human beings.

So, when the Church says its spirit is found in union of faith with the holy father and all bishops of the world, implying their local churches of believers, it is speaking in the full truth of Jesus Christ. So through the teaching magisterium through the Holy Spirit, the church teaches the universality of all faith. It does not set aside a class of people as the SDA’s do condemned for hell. The anti-Christ rejects the Catholic Church that finds its life in Jesus Christ.

So I find it incredible such a sect can make such claims about the seat of Peter.

The universal condition of a Catholic is no different than an SDA. We are all in need of Christ’s redemption and salvation.
 
KathleenGee said:
The universal condition of a Catholic is no different than an SDA. We are all in need of Christ’s redemption and salvation.
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Kathleen! I have been watching your posts carefully to find something that I can agree on. This is it! May God be praised! May He bless you; and keep you - and make His face to shine upon you! 🙂
 
Protestant 101,

What I profess is what the Catholic Church teaches!!! Again, you are rejecting us through this filter, this veil.
 
greggy53 said:
I’m really glad to hear that about the way you are being treated .:)…The problem with the other thing about how the “Church sits in prophesy” is that we, the people you see and meet at Mass ARE the Church. So on the one hand you tell us how accepting and kind we are, and then turn around and say the opposite in the “prophesy” about the same people.
We are not separate from our beliefs. If you claim the Church is evil then you claim that we are evil too. That’s the problem that some SDA’s and other Protestants don’t understand. When you reject our Pope, and our Bishops and priests you reject us.
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I think we, be we Catholic, SDA, believer in Messianic Judaism (which I hold to be a return to what I believe is the original, apostolic synagogue of the “True Jew” (Rev. 2, vs. 9), words spoken by the apostle John who was there repeating the words of Jesus. I could try to claim, with the history coming from the form of Christian Judaism that we Messianic Jews claim was the religion of the True Jew, Jesus, and His disciples and followers who were all blood-Jews, and say that all others who do not observe the annual feasts of Yahweh, including the Shabbat (Sabbath) are not real churches because they, be they SDA or Catholic, do not practice the Everlasting Covenant.

I try not going beyond just the positive reasons why I do as I do, religiously. And I know that both Catholics and SDAs would, and have told me a lot of things about my beliefs that they consider essential to my and their salvation. Both have. At first, I threw back as much “mud” as was thrown my direction. Now, I don’ care to do that because I want now to only show God’s grace and His Love.

I saw, in the last few days where a well educated SDA described their statement of beliefs. Then he said something I think many Catholics may have missed. He said that te SDA Church teaches that there will be those who have never kept the seventh-day Sabbath before they are taken to Heaven to be with Jesus.

I once read where, and maybe it was in the book of the Revelation, where it talks about John seeing “a sea of glass upon which stood a mixed multitude” who, I believe it said, “are saved.” I think this will be all those who have followed their consciences to the degree that they had knowledge. Obviously then, I think we will all have some perhaps big surprises about who is there, and the “why” we failed to understand while on earth before He returns to take His people, all of them, home with Him.
 
Protestant 101, the part of faith I shared with you came from my Catholic faith.

So if you reject the source, then it goes to what I was saying previously…I can draw on sources that can be shared by Protestants, but once they find out they come from Catholic sources, they then reject the source…

So I can only share with you my Catholic faith and upbringing but as you cannot accept anything of Christ coming from it, then the onus is on you for condemning my faith…even though we agree.
 
RontheJew…the final figures of faith reflect the mystical reality of the Mass, where every hour of the day, all over the world with many races and cultures, we are offering the Lord Jesus as the only perfect sacrifice to the Heavenly Father. The beginning of the Liturgy of the Eucharist begins with ‘Sanctus, sanctus, sanctus…’

It says in the Bible the just man sins 7 times a day. Jesus is the only source of righteousness, we are offered with Him to the Heavenly Father…

Have you ever read the writing of St. Justin the Martyr on his description of the earliest Masses…? He died around 133 Anno Domini.

The sacraments are concrete, without dispute or arbitration. We have Christ physically among us, but in the form of bread and wine…thus we must still make an act of faith that we are receiving the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ…Son of the One True God Who was the Pillar of Fire, Who parted the Red Sea, Who fed His chosen people manna from heaven, Who spoke over His son at His baptism at the River Jordan…One in Three, Three in One…we receive Him. He resides in the tabernacle.
 
RontheJew, remember our Mass centers on the unbloody sacrifice of Jesus, broken for us.

Go to Hebrew Catholic…go to Hebrewcatholic…
 
KathleenGee said:
RontheJew, remember our Mass centers on the unbloody sacrifice of Jesus, broken for us.

Go to Hebrew Catholic…go to Hebrewcatholic…
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Kathleen, I guess you can, if you want, call me a Jew. I prefer to be called RonTheNewJew. But, whatever, it makes no difference to me. Jesus on earth was a Jew. I don’t mind being called that.

We Messianic Jews, like a number of other Protestants, believe that when Jesus ascended to His Father, that He now ministers before His Father in our behalf when we accept His Everlasting Covenant, stated in Exodus 34, defended by Jesus when He was here tabernacling with us on earth, and which contains the very law I will be judged by. Jesus will judge me according to my works which I have and will have done. If I prayed to Him through the Holy Spirit, told Him my understanding of my sins and asked Him humbly for forgiveness and the help of His Holy Spirit to take my sinful thoughts or actions away and help me not to sin again, then I have confidence in the Salvation only His once and for all time sacrifice has provided me.

I cannot accept the idea of a continuing sacrifice, even in symbolic form such as the remembrance of His sacrifice during the Passover Seder. I honor you for believing as sincerely as I believe you do in an ongoing earthly priesthood. The Temple at Jerusalem is gone, thus I believe that no earthly sacrifice is acceptable to Jesus Who was/is in heaven, my sacrifice, but figuratively using His own shed blood as propitiation for my sins.

I judge no one for disagreeing with my belief on this.
 
KathleenGee said:
I can draw on sources that can be shared by Protestants, but once they find out they come from Catholic sources, they then reject the source…
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I’m sorry, but I do not play “onus” games on internet forums; and what you say here is not true. I have Roman Catholic books right here in my library. And I share some of the things in those books. 🙂
 
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