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[CatholicLover]

(cont. from previous post)

The Bible, specifically says this covenant was NOT WITH OUR FATHERS… This same chapter goes on to list the same essential commandments as Exodus 4… in fact this is another account of the same event, the covenant with Israel.

Again, “Remember the Sabbath Day”. It existed before the covenant. It’s not relevant who the covenant was made with. His Sabbath Day dates to Creation.

But it is also a fact that the sabbath is a memorial of Israel’s deliverance from bondage in Egypt, as recorded in Deuteronomy 5.

I don’t agree that it is a memorial of Israel’s deliverance. As explained in my previous post, God is establishing His identity in Deutoronomy. Saying I did this for you, now keep my Sabbath Day.

It is also an uncomfortable fact (for Adventists) that Deuteronomy affirms that this covenant was made with the Hebrews… at horeb, and explicitly says it was not made with their fathers.

It’s not uncomfortable for the reasons stated above.

I have not seen any credible biblical argument that the Ten Commandments, as recorded in Exodus 20, are an exact transcript of God’s eternal law. Have you seen any credible biblical argument that they are not an exact transcript of God’s law? The fact that there are two versions of them in the bible, with different details but the same essentials shows that they are expressions of the same, deeper reality… not a word for word contract. Could that deeper reality be that the Sabbath Day is more than a simple day of rest but holds a deeper meaning for God? "The 7th day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God.

What passed away withe the Old Covenant… what is binding under the new Law of Love that the NT says is written on the tables of our heart?
The Bible indicates that the Sabbath Day predates the any Covenant and therefore could not have been done away with.

Problem is, Saturday is an arbitrary, human designation.
You are correct, the word Saturday is a human designation. But there is little doubt that Saturday is the 7th day.

Adventists will argue the Jews have never lost sabbath… that is not quite correct. It looks like you are implying that because we might be in a different timezone than Jerusalem that we might be observing Sabbath at the wrong time because of the difference in the timezones. I was not even aware this was a controversy. It seems to me that if we follow the sundown Friday to sundown Saturday rule that is traditional we are safe. I believe God understands that the earth rotates on it’s axis and sundown occurs at different times around the globe. He created it that way afterall.

There is nothing morally superior about Saturday over Sunday for rest.
“The seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God.” Sounds morally superior to me.

Adventists will argue that there is nothing natural about a 7 day week, and therefore, it only exists because of the sabbath, a Proof. Again… that is not correct. That is putting the cart before the horse. The natural origin of the week is apparent to anyone who has watched a mother cut up fruit or a sandwich for her child. You cut it in half… if the pieces aren’t quite small enough, you cut it in half again. The lunar cycle is 28 days… a little too much for humans to order their lives around… half of that is 14… still a bit too much… half again is 7. And there is the week, a perfectly natural, logical division of the lunar month. What mother wastes time cutting an apple into fifths?

Within the cycle though, no day stands out as having any quality different from another.

Who created that 28 day lunar cycle? It could just as easily have been a 24 day cycle or 32 day cycle. God made it 28 days, He cut it into half then half again, He used 6 of those days to create things and 1 for rest. He claims that 7th day as His Sabbath Day.

Even in the commandment, the word seventh is not the name of a particular day, but an ordinal number… as in the third planet, the fourth apple, or the seventh day. If you mix up a plate of apples and recount them, a different one might be the “seventh” one each time you order them.

He made it clear to the Isrealites which day he was referring to as the 7th day when he told them to collect manna for 6 days but not the 7th day, His Sabbath.

(cont. Next post…)

 

[CatholicLover]

Nonsense, You are accepting what someone else has told what the bible says.

Maybe when I was a child I just accepted what someone else told me. I have read these scriptures. It seems to me that the Catholic view of the Sabbath relies on sources other than the Bible for support. It does come down to authority but it is the Catholic Church that is claiming the authority, not the Adventist Church. Reading and following God’s word requires no authority.

 

[CatholicLover]

The church recognizes this moral precept of setting aside regular time for rest, and also the NT precept of not neglecting to assemble ourselves together… and applies these to the first day of the week… Sunday. The day of the resurrection. The first day, which is also the Eighth… which cannot be found in the natural weekly cycle. It stands outside time. God’s rest stands outside time… Eternity. The Jewish people looked at sabbath and remembered creation .(Exodus 20:8). Christians look at Sunday and remember the NEW creation. (2 Cor 5:17) 2 Cor 5:17 says nothing about a new creation or the Sabbath Day.The Jewish people looked at sabbath and remembered their deliverance from slavery in Egypt. (Deut. 5:15) Christians look at Sunday and remember their deliverance from slavery to the law. (Romans 8:2) What do you believe the “law of sin and death” is referring to?The Jewish people looked at sabbath and carefully guarded its edges, looking forward to entering into God’s eternal rest. Christians experience Sunday as a joyful feast, a weekly Easter, a celebration of their rest in Christ, who is the fulfillment of the old covenant sabbath, and in whom Christians find their sabbath, their rest. (Hebrews 4:10)I don’t see where this verse says that Sunday should be the new Sabbath.

One of the old covenant shadows, was the offering of the first fruits. Jesus is referred to in the New Testament, as the first fruits of those who are raised from the dead. On what day was the offering of the first fruits made? (Leviticus 23:39) The Eighth day!The 8th day of the festival, not the 8th day of the week. The first day of the Festival is The Sabbath the 8th day of the festival (also the 7th day of the week) is again The Sabbath.

Jesus is our sabbath rest.

Sunday is the feast of the Church, a celebration of what Jesus has done for us. Sunday is not the sabbath on another day.
There is no explicit biblical command for Christians to worship on Sunday, this is not a matter of old covenant law. I’m glad you acknowledge this. It fulfills the moral precept of regular rest and worship, “keeping” the commandment, as Christians should keep the commandments. As moral law. In spirit and truth, not in letter and shadows. It does not keep the Commandment. The Commandment is explicit. The 7th day is the Sabbath.

In common English usage, ‘sabbath’ means any day of rest and worship. This is frequently and correctly used in the English language to designate the Sunday rest day as well as the Saturday Sabbath. The Church, did indeed change the day of worship. Christians no longer rest and worship on Saturday, they rest and worship on Sunday. So the Church did indeed “change” the sabbath… as the English word is commonly understood meaning a day of rest. If you look for specific clarification about the status of the biblical sabbath in regards to Sunday, the Church is very clear. Saturday is the biblical sabbath. If you acknowledge this you must also show clearly where God changed His Law. I would think that if he were to change something that is so obviously important to him he would be equally as clear in changing it as he was in creating it in the first place. Sunday is not the sabbath on another day… it is a day distinct from the Jewish sabbath. Again, I’m glad we agree.

Adventists claim that Catholics keep Sunday as an act of rebellion against God’s law. Sunday came about not as an act of rebellion against God, but of recognizing the need for Christians to express their new reality and what Jesus has done for us. This was done in the freedom that Jesus paid for with his life, by the apostolic authority which Jesus gave his fledgling church, to teach in His name.

Again, it comes down to authority. I think I stated earlier in this thread, the Catholic argument against the 7th day Sabbath relies on the authority of the Catholic Church. Unless I as an Adventist recognise that authority or you as a Catholic recognise that it doesn’t exist we won’t settle this argument. I’ve had this discussion many times with my wife and friends who are priests and that’s what it always comes down to.

 

[Richard_Kastner]

as it is written in galatians. until Christ came, the law WAS our schoolmaster. not IS our schoolmaster. those things we are to follow, are given by the apostles. people like yourself and protestant 101, would have butted heads with the apostle Paul in a big way. we as gentile believers are not required to keep the law that was given to the Jews

Gal.2
21Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

I am at a loss to understand how anyone can read this passage and think that the law has been done away with. Here Paul is teaching us that the law shows us that we are SINNERS and are in need of a SAVIOR and of coarse that Savior is Jesus. What Paul is trying to get across is that the idea that has krept into Jewish thinking, largely due to the influence of the Pharisees that we are somehow saved by keeping the law has been done away with in Jesus. But that was never the case In the first place Ben. We never were nor will we ever be saved by keeping the law. See you are wrong Ben, when you say that I would butt heads with Paul and the apostles I agree with everything in the bible. It’s your interpretation of what is being said that I disagree with. Paul all through the book of Galatians is fighting with the Judaizers that say we must keep all the cerimonial law and efectively become Jews before we can become Christians. Paul is fighting against the IDEA that we are saved BY KEEPING THE LAW.

Peter makes this perfectly clear in acts. we are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, meat with the blood still in it, and avoid fornification. if we do these things, we do well.

Aparently it isn’t that clear to you Ben. It was James that gave us those directives and as I have stated before these directives were concerning pagan rites and have little application to the present day, except in a broader symbolic sense.

James also writes along these lines. what is true religion. to visit the widow and the fatherless in their distress. and that means doing more than just a visit. we are to give relief.

That term I believe says much more than to put orphans and widows on our visitation list. I think “widows and fatherless” not to leave out the literal sense is talking more in a symbolic sense and when we ask ourselves who are the true Fatherless and widows? We see that James is just reaffirming the great commission. The Fatherless being those who do not know God and the widows would be Christians who believe their husband (Jesus) died for them.

if the Adventist wish to follow a covenant that is based on rule keeping, then you are welcome too. but if you wish to do this, then you cannot follow only the 10. many of the proof text you offer are talking about the whole law all 600 plus commandments. so i ask again. can you keep them?

You have read my posts or at least I think you have read my posts and you still make this statement. How have I ever given you the idea that our religion is “based on rule keeping.”
I thought it was obvious but I’ll flat out state it. The SDA religion is based on Jesus Christ and what He did for all mankind.
I must say that there are not 600 plus commandments The commandment you are thinking of are not found in the bible some are probably found in the Talmud which is the Jewish book of the law these are not binding on anyone because they are not given by God. The prophetic cerimonial law has been completed in Christ and no longer is in effect. The rest still need to be observed.

weve gone over this before. if you are going to do so, then you really need to change how you observe the Sabbath. you would be better off, joining with a messianic Jewish congregation, Peace

Ya I know that we’ve gone over this before Ben. And I am at a loss to understand why you don’t believe what the bible says on the matter. Why do you think we have to change the way we keep the Sabbath? Why do you think we would be better off joining another group?

and converting.

Converting to what?

Ben you going to answer my last post? Here it is again for your convenience.

let me get this straight Ben. Are you saying that there is a different means of salvation for the Jews. That they can get to heaven by keeping the old law and Jesus for some reason changed that law for the “gentile believers” and now we have no way of knowing what sin is, but that doesn’t matter as long as we keep the law of love. That about it Ben?

 

[greggy53]

Maybe when I was a child I just accepted what someone else told me. I have read these scriptures. It seems to me that the Catholic view of the Sabbath relies on sources other than the Bible for support. It does come down to authority but it is the Catholic Church that is claiming the authority, not the Adventist Church. Reading and following God’s word requires no authority.

What you are saying then is that the word of God is it’s own authority, and you are just doing and believing what you think it tells you to think and believe. But in reality you are using your own authority, your own discernment to interpret what the word of God says. If you disagree with a certain theological interpretation of scripture with the official SDA teaching you may or may not be allowed to stay in the fold. If and when this is the case do you follow your conscience (your own authority) or do you acknowledge the authority of the leaders of the SDA and tow the line? Either way you are submitting to authority, your own or that of your Church.
Catholics believe that the Church has that authority because Jesus gave that authority to the Apostles, who he appointed to lead his Church on earth. Jesus did not establish the bible. He established his Church, and the scriptures were given by the Holy Spirit to the Church. The Church has the final word not the Bible and the Bible says so.

 

[CatholicLover]

What you are saying then is that the word of God is it’s own authority, and you are just doing and believing what you think it tells you to think and believe. But in reality you are using your own authority, your own discernment to interpret what the word of God says. If you disagree with a certain theological interpretation of scripture with the official SDA teaching you may or may not be allowed to stay in the fold. If and when this is the case do you follow your conscience (your own authority) or do you acknowledge the authority of the leaders of the SDA and tow the line? Either way you are submitting to authority, your own or that of your Church.
Catholics believe that the Church has that authority because Jesus gave that authority to the Apostles, who he appointed to lead his Church on earth. Jesus did not establish the bible. He established his Church, and the scriptures were given by the Holy Spirit to the Church. The Church has the final word not the Bible and the Bible says so.

I accept the guidance of the Adventist Church but I run it through the filter of the Bible. The Bible is the word of God and I guess if you want to talk about authority it could be said that God has given us each the authority to read and follow His Word.

That authority is very different from the authority claimed by the Catholic Church though.

 

[Javl]

I accept the guidance of the Adventist Church but I run it through the filter of the Bible. The Bible is the word of God and I guess if you want to talk about authority it could be said that God has given us each the authority to read and follow His Word.

That authority is very different from the authority claimed by the Catholic Church though.

Yes, that authority IS very different.The authority that the Catholic Church has is given it by God ( Matt 16:17-19 ). This authority has NOT been given to everyone but to Peter alone. When Peter died it was passed on to his successor, and so on down through the ages. Put whatever spin you want on it, but it cannot be denied; the Catholic Church has been given the “Supreme” authority by God Himself.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[greggy53]

I accept the guidance of the Adventist Church but I run it through the filter of the Bible. The Bible is the word of God and I guess if you want to talk about authority it could be said that God has given us each the authority to read and follow His Word.

That authority is very different from the authority claimed by the Catholic Church though.

So you accept what the SDA teaches as long as it agrees with what you think?
We certainly have God’s and the Churches encouragment and blessing to read and meditate upon his word. But the Church has the final word on interpretation and all other things pertaining to doctrine and faith. The Bible clearly demonstrates this.

We did agree in an earlier post that it all boils down to authority. Whose got it and who doesn’t. God gives us reason and understanding so that we would not follow someone or something blindly with out discerning the truth of what they say. This is very true, but the scriptures also teach us to submit to the lawful authority that God has set before us. He clearly established his church and anointed a leader for that Church. A Church that he promised would not fail and it hasn’t for over 2000 years. Using reason and discernment why should I reject the teachings of this 2000 year old Church in favor of a new teaching. A teaching that says the Church that Jesus started 2000 years ago is the Church of the anti-christ???

 

[CatholicLover]

So you accept what the SDA teaches as long as it agrees with what you think?
We certainly have God’s and the Churches encouragment and blessing to read and meditate upon his word. But the Church has the final word on interpretation and all other things pertaining to doctrine and faith. The Bible clearly demonstrates this.

We did agree in an earlier post that it all boils down to authority. Whose got it and who doesn’t. God gives us reason and understanding so that we would not follow someone or something blindly with out discerning the truth of what they say. This is very true, but the scriptures also teach us to submit to the lawful authority that God has set before us. He clearly established his church and anointed a leader for that Church. A Church that he promised would not fail and it hasn’t for over 2000 years. Using reason and discernment why should I reject the teachings of this 2000 year old Church in favor of a new teaching. A teaching that says the Church that Jesus started 2000 years ago is the Church of the anti-christ???

You are putting words into my mouth. I agree with the Adventist Church because I find what they teach in the Bible.

 

[greggy53]

You are putting words into my mouth. I agree with the Adventist Church because I find what they teach in the Bible.

You agree with how they interpret the Bible right? I’m not trying to put words into your mouth. If tomorrow the SDA Church said that they changed their teaching and decided to hold worship service on Sunday and gave you reasons why would you go on Sunday? or find another Sabbath Church?

 

[CatholicLover]

You agree with how they interpret the Bible right? I’m not trying to put words into your mouth. If tomorrow the SDA Church said that they changed their teaching and decided to hold worship service on Sunday and gave you reasons why would you go on Sunday? or find another Sabbath Church?

Interesting question. I have no problem with having a worship service on Sunday. If your question is what would I do if the Adventist Church denounced the 7th Day Sabbath my answer is that the teaching would contradict the Bible and I would continue to keep the Sabbath as instructed in the Bible. I think any church that no longer follows God’s word can no longer claim to be His church.

 

[Farsight001]

Interesting question. I have no problem with having a worship service on Sunday. If your question is what would I do if the Adventist Church denounced the 7th Day Sabbath my answer is that the teaching would contradict the Bible and I would continue to keep the Sabbath as instructed in the Bible. I think any church that no longer follows God’s word can no longer claim to be His church.

Would it then surprise you to discover that Catholicism still officially teaches that the Sabbath is on Saturday?

 

[greggy53]

Interesting question. I have no problem with having a worship service on Sunday. If your question is what would I do if the Adventist Church denounced the 7th Day Sabbath my answer is that the teaching would contradict the Bible and I would continue to keep the Sabbath as instructed in the Bible. I think any church that no longer follows God’s word can no longer claim to be His church.

You mean what you think or believe the word of God says. Your interpretation of scripture then is superior to what anyone else or any church teaches…Where do you find that instruction in the Bible?

 

[CatholicLover]

You mean what you think or believe the word of God says. Your interpretation of scripture then is superior to what anyone else or any church teaches…Where do you find that instruction in the Bible?

It appears you are basing your argument on a hypothetical situation. Obviously my interpretation is not superior to anyone or any church’s. There are many churches that teach the 7th Day Sabbath, not just Seventh Day Adventists. The fact is, the Adventist Church won’t denounce the 7th Day Sabbath, it is in our name afterall. I would like to think though, if I was born on a dessert island, alone (since it appears we are dealing in hypotheticals) with only a Bible to read, I would conclude that God wanted me to keep the Sabbath Holy and the 7th day is the Sabbath Day. That’s the only conclusion you can reasonably come to upon reading the Bible. There is nothing there that changes that.

 

[greggy53]

It appears you are basing your argument on a hypothetical situation. Obviously my interpretation is not superior to anyone or any church’s. There are many churches that teach the 7th Day Sabbath, not just Seventh Day Adventists. The fact is, the Adventist Church won’t denounce the 7th Day Sabbath, it is in our name afterall. I would like to think though, if I was born on a dessert island, alone (since it appears we are dealing in hypotheticals) with only a Bible to read, I would conclude that God wanted me to keep the Sabbath Holy and the 7th day is the Sabbath Day. That’s the only conclusion you can reasonably come to upon reading the Bible. There is nothing there that changes that.

I don’t think my argument is hypothetical at all…People leave Churches and Churches split over issues like this all the time. That is why there are over 10 thousand Protestant denominations today. People relying soley on their own understanding believing the the Holy Spirit is giving them the true interpretation of God’s word. If you don’t believe your interpretaion is any better than any other than how do you know what you think you know?..If you were stranded on a desert island with only a Bible, and you lost track of time…how would you know when it was the Sabbath?..now that is a hypothetical question.

 

[MarysRoses]

We don’t claim authority. We are simply trying to follow the word of God as presented in the Bible. One does not need authority to do that.

Where did your bible come from?

What is the “authoritative” manuscript you depend on? How did it come to be? By what authority do you recognize it?

Those “extra” books, like I and II Maccabees and Sirach were in the original KJV Bible. There were taken out of american bibles in the nineteenth century (Just before William Miller’s time) when the American Bible Society refused a shipment of them from england and requested versions without. Did the American Bible Society have that authority to make that decision for you and others?

There were dozens of “Gospels” circulating the first few centuries of Christian history. Who decided what four of them were authoritative? There are phrases in the KJV that can be shown to not be in the most ancient Greek manuscripts… yet they continue to be included in some modern printings… yet not in some other modern bibles. Who makes the decision to include or not include these disputed phrases?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bible_verses_not_included_in_modern_translations

My point is not to discuss these issues here… but to show that claiming the bible as your sole authority sounds reasonable and simple, at least until you try to define “Bible”.

MarysRoses

 

[MarysRoses]

I’ve never heard some of these arguments against keeping the Sabbath before. I’ll try to address what I think your main points are but if I miss something please point it out to me and I’ll address it in another post.

including your answers within my quote make it difficult to respond point by point.
Therefore I identified the quotes with bold.

MARYSROSES This difference presents no problem to Catholics… as we believe both passages, and both listings, are expressions of God’s law… not exact transcripts. Catholics believe the Ten Commandments are binding as moral law, not because we believe we are under the same covenant as Israel. Catholics believe Christians are under the New Covenant, and are not bound by the shadows contained in the old covenant.

CL: I’m not sure the differences between these passages present any problems for Adventists either. If Catholics believe the 10 Commandments are binding, why follow only 9 of them?

My response:
We Catholics do keep all 10. You did not address the distinction between Natural Law which is eternal and written in our hearts, from the written law of the decalogue. From the Catholic Catechism:

"2070
The Ten Commandments belong to God’s revelation. At the same time they teach us the true humanity of man. They bring to light the essential duties, and therefore, indirectly, the fundamental rights inherent in the nature of the human person. The Decalogue contains a privileged expression of the natural law:

From the beginning, God had implanted in the heart of man the precepts of the natural law. Then he was content to remind him of them. This was the Decalogue.31 "

usccb.org/catechism/text/pt3sect2.shtml

Rest and worship are natural law. A particular day of the week is an arbitrary, human designation.

What the Catechism says about the Sabbath:

I. The Sabbath Day

2168
The third commandment of the Decalogue recalls the holiness of the sabbath: "The seventh day is a sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the LORD."92

2169
In speaking of the sabbath Scripture recalls creation: "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and hallowed it."93

2170
Scripture also reveals in the Lord’s day a memorial of Israel’s liberation from bondage in Egypt: "You shall remember that you were a servant in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out thence with mighty hand and outstretched arm; therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the sabbath day."94

2171
God entrusted the sabbath to Israel to keep as a sign of the irrevocable covenant.95 The sabbath is for the Lord, holy and set apart for the praise of God, his work of creation, and his saving actions on behalf of Israel.

2172
God’s action is the model for human action. If God “rested and was refreshed” on the seventh day, man too ought to “rest” and should let others, especially the poor, "be refreshed."96 The sabbath brings everyday work to a halt and provides a respite. It is a day of protest against the servitude of work and the worship of money.97

usccb.org/catechism/text/pt3sect2chpt1art3.shtml

What the Catechism says about Sunday:

2175
Sunday is expressly distinguished from the sabbath which it follows chronologically every week; for Christians its ceremonial observance replaces that of the sabbath. In Christ’s Passover, Sunday fulfills the spiritual truth of the Jewish sabbath and announces man’s eternal rest in God. For worship under the Law prepared for the mystery of Christ, and what was done there prefigured some aspects of Christ:107

Those who lived according to the old order of things have come to a new hope, no longer keeping the sabbath, but the Lord’s Day, in which our life is blessed by him and by his death.108
2176
The celebration of Sunday observes the moral commandment inscribed by nature in the human heart to render to God an outward, visible, public, and regular worship "as a sign of his universal beneficence to all."109 Sunday worship fulfills the moral command of the Old Covenant, taking up its rhythm and spirit in the weekly celebration of the Creator and Redeemer of his people.
2175

usccb.org/catechism/text/pt3sect2chpt1art3.shtml

Notice. Sunday fulfills the natural, eternal obligations of the Sabbath commandment. It does come around every seven days! We do rest and worship every seventh day, as the bible commands. Yet this is not the sabbath on another day.

MarysRoses

 

[CatholicLover]

If you were stranded on a desert island with only a Bible, and you lost track of time…how would you know when it was the Sabbath?..now that is a hypothetical question.

lol, yes, that would present a problem on hypothetical dessert island. Luckily in the real world I have no such problem.

 

[CatholicLover]

I don’t think my argument is hypothetical at all…People leave Churches and Churches split over issues like this all the time. That is why there are over 10 thousand Protestant denominations today. People relying soley on their own understanding believing the the Holy Spirit is giving them the true interpretation of God’s word. If you don’t believe your interpretaion is any better than any other than how do you know what you think you know?..If you were stranded on a desert island with only a Bible, and you lost track of time…how would you know when it was the Sabbath?..now that is a hypothetical question.

So you don’t think the Holy Spirit guides people who are not part of the Catholic Church?

 

[CatholicLover]

including your answers within my quote make it difficult to respond point by point.
Therefore I identified the quotes with bold.

MARYSROSES This difference presents no problem to Catholics… as we believe both passages, and both listings, are expressions of God’s law… not exact transcripts. Catholics believe the Ten Commandments are binding as moral law, not because we believe we are under the same covenant as Israel. Catholics believe Christians are under the New Covenant, and are not bound by the shadows contained in the old covenant.

CL: I’m not sure the differences between these passages present any problems for Adventists either. If Catholics believe the 10 Commandments are binding, why follow only 9 of them?

My response:
We Catholics do keep all 10. You did not address the distinction between Natural Law which is eternal and written in our hearts, from the written law of the decalogue. From the Catholic Catechism:

So are any of the 10 commandments part of the natural law?
If so, which ones?