Is America too divided?

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What do you want MAGA supporters to say? The Pittsburgh shooter was thoroughly against Trump because he believes Trump is a puppet of Jews. To blame it on him or his supporters is stupid.
 
It is appalling to suggest that Americans “should” have armed security at places of worship.

Agree, the new chic is to blame the victim 😦
 
How the hell is it victim-blaming to suggest someone take precautions? Is it victim-blaming to suggest the victim of a home invasion lock their doors next time? It by no means absolves the perpetrator of responsibility. Nobody intends it to mean that. Taken to heart, it can only help people avoid becoming victims in the future.

I agree, it is appalling to suggest that there should be armed security at places of worship. But, the truth is is that there are evil people out there with no sense of decency and will purposely target places of worship because they know they are soft targets.
 
I think saying you wouldn’t have been broken into if the door was locked or maybe now you’ll lock yor doors is victim blaming. What do you think victim blaming is?
 
Because, America is not a police state.

Our freedom to worship is fundamental.

We pay for police officers to do more than just come in and clean up the mess. Did you know there was a time, not that long ago, when the police actually patrolled the neighborhoods and streets of town? They were there as a deterrent.

We have allowed our cities to replace the noble, professional law enforcement officers who were there to Serve and Protect. Municipalities care more about avoiding overtime than they do about actually protecting their citizens.

To begin suggesting that we go to a time and place where every person is the law unto themselves, that is regression. To think that we have to hire private security for a worship services? We are devolving.
 
Victim blaming would be saying that the person somehow deserved it, as if leaving your doors unlocked was an invitation to come take your stuff. Suggesting that a situation could have been avoided by doing this or that is not. Emphasis on “could,” because there are no guarantees.
 
First of all, we have freedom of religion, not worship. Our religious liberties don’t start and stop at the church door.

Also, I agree that the police should be patrolling neighborhoods more. But, if that sort of change is ever going to happen, it will take a while. In the mean time, what are we going to do? I am not suggesting vigilante law. I am just suggesting is that, since we have a Second Amendment, might as well use it. As they say, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
 
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I agree, it is appalling to suggest that there should be armed security at places of worship. But, the truth is is that there are evil people out there with no sense of decency and will purposely target places of worship because they know they are soft targets.
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So what should we do? Just have armed guards everywhere at all times like every totalitarian state ever? Yeah, that’s an environment I’d like to live in.
 
Have a weapon on you yourself if armed guards are so distasteful to you. If you never know who could be armed or not, your are less likely to pull something stupid like the guy at Pittsburg did.
 
Could you point out where anyone has blamed it on Trump? Perhaps his rhetorical stupidity gives these types of conspiracies flight, but no one is saying he pulled the trigger, not directly. But to believe the words of supposed “leadership” mean nothing makes light of the power of the tongue, it holds the power of life and death.
 
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Have a weapon on you yourself if armed guards are so distasteful to you.
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I have a medical condition which makes possessing a firearm very unwise. “Everyone having a weapon” is not the answer to gun violence.
 
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Safer legislation of gun laws makes sense, we suffer more mass shootings than any other “civilized” nation.

If young children piled up dead within a classroom didn’t make that happen though, I have doubts we’ll see it soon. I rely on the wisdom of the next generation to finally legalize some common sense.

Cars don’t cause accidents, people driving them do. Yet when we have a problem with cars we recall them. When drunk drivers killed they lost their privilege to drive, and laws across the nation enacted tougher punishment to thwart the idea of getting behind the wheel while intoxicated. A problem with baby items, food, or anything made in mass production that is faulty or has the potential to cause a great harm is recalled to protect consumers.

The lobby for the gun industry is strong and puts a lot of money in the coffers, it is not going anywhere too soon, and the ability to convince people that it’s a slippery slope to confiscate their guns is articulate and as sly as a serpent.

No one needs an AK-15. It serves only one purpose.
 
Ultimately, we are personally responsible for our own safety and the safety of those entrusted to us, such as our children. This is especially true in the United States, where the Supreme Court has ruled that the police do not have a constitutional duty to protect any individual. The argument that redbetta is making is sound in this regard. Currently, firearms are the most effective way of enabling a physically weak, outnumbered, or otherwise disadvantaged person to protect themself from an attacker.
 
Is it really that hard to understand that we can have police AND personal protection?
 
I said MAGA people OR Trump. You said that the silence from the MAGA crowd is deafening. You brought it up. Also, Trump’s rhetoric is nothing compared to the bulk is going on nowadays. Trump is a symptom, not a cause. Only thing he does is make the crazies stop pretending so we now see everyone for what they are.
 
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