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edwest211
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That is an accurate description.
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This is what I was trying to get across earlier–if there were more Christians in the industry, we would see more shows/films/books/plays, etc. about happily-married, church-going, heterosexual couples who are working through various issues and not resorting to sinful solutions.
But Christians stay away from the industry, and the few who are in it have to walk on eggshells or they could be blacklisted, which means that they won’t be able to make a living.
Or, Christians get involved with private entertainment companies far away from Hollywood and New York, and make lean-budget movies and write/direct/act in plays done exclusively in big churches and in “Christian theater companies.”
Until there are more Christians who dare to recognize the gifts that God has given them, and answer His call to enter this industry, and who have the talent and work-ethic to work their way up in the field, we will have to take what the non-Christians produce for us.
And incidentally, parents of kids with “show’biz” talents need to be willing to allow their kid(s) to pursue this field and not insist that they finish medical school first (although I know of at least one comedian who is also a doctor!).
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I generally don’t see gay people being portrayed as immoral perverts in movies and on TV, but maybe we are watching different shows.
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TMC
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I think attributing everything you don’t like to the devil is simply a cop out. Movies and TV shows depict what the viewers want to see. I don’t by that there is some massive evil agenda to put gay people on TV. There are a lot more gay people in real life than there are on television.
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TMC
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I get your point. I do think that there are more Christians in the entertainment industry than most people think, but I would not be against more of them being public about their faith.
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puppson
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Attributing evil to the devil, his temptation of and influence over human beings is not a “cop-out.” It is Gospel and Catholic truth.
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edwest211
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How do you know any of this? Working for Hollywood can be compared to almost any job. You have a number of bosses, they tell you what to do and you do it. Breaking in means having to deal with an entrenched mindset. Sure, Christians with the skill should try to get in but they better find out how things work long before they get hired. Once hired, they will be expected to do what Hollywood does now. Check out the Writers Guild which is a group of screenwriters. You can be the best writer there ever was but that does not mean your scripts are going to automatically be turned into movies or TV shows.
As far as private productions, you should know electrical, lighting, set design and direction. The more polished the better. You may have to get permits and rent equipment.
As far as private productions, you should know electrical, lighting, set design and direction. The more polished the better. You may have to get permits and rent equipment.
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edwest211
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You missed my examples for Supergirl and Arrow?
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edwest211
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There are a disproportionate amount, compared to the general population, on TV and in movies now. GLAAD is watching. They will hold Hollywood responsible if LGBTQ representation drops.
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PetraG
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Call it what you want, but there is a very open agenda to use TV to re-make societal norms concerning what is and is not moral human behavior in the realm of sexuality. There has been for nearly 25 years. It isn’t a secret and it does not even pretend to be a response to broad viewer demands:
GLAAD was founded in 1985, and has tracked the presence of lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and queer (LGBTQ) characters on television for more than 20 years. In that time, a lot has changed in the world of entertainment and the cultural landscape. GLAAD’s first character count took place in the 1996-97 season when Ellen DeGeneres’ character in Ellen made history as the first out lead character in a series. This year, GLAAD has found a record-high percentage of LGBTQ series regulars on primetime scripted broadcast television, and television is beginning to tell groundbreaking new stories of communities that have long been left off-screen…
GLAAD recognizes that #RepresentationMatters, and we will continue to work alongside the industry to tell LGBTQ stories on screen and further the conversation through our year-round work. And we won’t stop until there is full acceptance of LGBTQ people and our lives.
Sarah Kate Ellis
President & CEO, GLAAD
(From “Where We Are On TV, '17-'18: GLAAD’s annual report on LGBTQ inclusion”)
They wouldn’t deny that their goal is to change public perception of persons who hold what are politically LGBTQ norms, not to achieve some kind of “numeric representation” compared to other groups. It is exactly what they say publicly. This isn’t hidden; it is very open. They want to change attitudes to full acceptance.
The flip side of this, of course, is that they want to achieve full rejection of Catholic sexual morality with regards to same sex actions, the definition of marriage, the relevance of biological parenthood and the marital act in family life, in vitro fertilization, surrogacy, “sexual reassignment” medical treatments, and even the very definition of male and female.
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You are right. While LGBTQ people are people, their lives as sexual persons will be given a one to one treatment with heterosexual couples. No one needs anyone’s permission to live how they want but the goal is to change hearts and minds.
In the article you cited, it is obvious the conversation on this subject is one way only. But the wording had to be careful so as to sound palatable.
In the article you cited, it is obvious the conversation on this subject is one way only. But the wording had to be careful so as to sound palatable.
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TMC
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I did miss them, but I went back and looked at those posts. Perhaps not the most wholesome (I don’t watch either show), but are they more negative than the way straight people are depicted on those shows? I agree that I would like to see more upright characters on TV, whether gay or straight.
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I don’t think that is correct, or even supported by the numbers you cited. You said that 18% of shows have at least one gay character, which means that 82% of shows have none. Unless the shows that do have gay characters are something like half gay people, gay people appear to be underrepresented, not overrepresented.
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If they achieve what they are describing, they will come around eventually to attacking Christianity directly rather than covertly, particularly the Catholic and Orthodox Churches, which do not have an “evolving” sexual morality. They can’t have some large fraction of the population actually believing that their social agenda is inherently immoral. They have gotten their start by convincing some Christian denominations to assimilate their rejection of moral law with regards to human sexuality.
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My teen son and I used to enjoy watching Designated Survivor together. No more. Netflix really ruined it. I think a lot of viewers who could overlook the swearing stopped after Season 3, Episode 4 (with the gay sex scene), but Netflix won’t care about those viewers so long as GLAAD and similar organizations are giving them the thumbs-up.You had mentioned in the Netflix thread that they ruined it. I was in the middle of Season 1 (which was amazing) when I saw that I wondered what you meant. Then I got to Season 3 Episode 1 the other night and now I knowNetflix totally destroyed this great show when they took it over from ABC.
My wife and I debated whether or not to continue with it, which lead me to read about the rest of Season 3. Apparently it just gets worse and worse as far as family-unfriendly goes, so we are stopping now, short of seeing the notorious scene you’re referring to.
Let this be a warning to Catholics who liked 24:
Designated Survivor Season 1 = the thrill of 24 all over again
Season 2 = quite good; not mindblowing, but worth the time
Season 3 = avoid it (four main characters dropped with no in-plot explanation; massive swearing for no plot reason; explicit sex scenes)
I really liked the beginning of Anne with an E on Netflix, but then it went all woke and they threw in multiple gay characters etc. and it just lost all the charming character of Anne of Green Gables. Spoiled the whole series for me.
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edwest211
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Of course. Undermine the moral authority of some Churches and slowly, as has been done for other things, more will follow. Those in the pews will be convinced, as much as they can be, that this is helping people. Yet Churches cannot afford to compromise their teaching, otherwise, what will be left? For those Christians who understand what is happening, friction will occur. Another way will be tried.
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edwest211
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I was quoting GLAAD. They want the numbers to continue upward.
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Maxirad
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Um, which TV series of the 1980s had such episodes?
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Tolle_Lege
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Well it happened again. I saw a preview for a Hulu show called “Culture Shock,” thought it looked entertaining enough, so decided to try it out. Within 15 minutes of the first episode they had to include a scene mocking the Catholic teaching on artificial birth control. So off it went.
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The ones aimed at teenagers.
Of course they weasled it by using phrases like “when you’re ready” (as if any teenager doesnt see themselves as incredibly mature
).And that was the time condom distribution in schools gained traction.
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