Is civil divorce wrong?

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In other words, you don’t want to hear real stories from real people who lived them.

Got it, you want to remain oblivious to other people and their very real issues so that you can remain naive.
 
Look, I already believe the Church recognizes that some cases warrant divorce.

Why do I need to judge your stories?
 
I’m NOT going to share my personal marriage on a public forum.

I’ve been lured into that before.
 
I’m talking about a pastor writing a letter stating his position on who is justified (or not justified) to file a lawsuit judgment against their Marriage.

They can throw it away, or appeal to the Bishop, or take it to heart… whatever.
 
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I find it fascinating how so many CAF posters urge people to go talk to their pastor about spiritual direction.

Then, when I suggest that a pastor puts his spiritual direction onto paper (regarding such an extreme and grave matter), its suddenly controversial!
 
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I’m not asking for you to judge them, not at all.

I am asking that you recognize them as real issues that people are facing and the great majority of the time a note from the pastor will mean absolutely nothing at all.

What happened to my girlfriend is a travesty. She was absolutely justified in divorcing him. She is also justified in looking for someone who will treat her better and not have continuous affairs.
 
Then why would a letter from her pastor be a threat?

I dont want to hear a bunch of scenarios or offer you a bunch of my own.
 
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Firstly, again civilly divorcing is not a sin.

Why would the Church make a SIN a REQUIREMENT in receiving an annulment?

Secondly, remarrying without an annulment is sinful in many different ways. There is a distinction.

A priest would most likely tell any couple this and recommend seeing the marriage tribunal after divorce papers have been served and/or when the divorce is finalised.

A priest can assist in the maintenance of a marriage in form of guidance, spiritual direction, and prayer—however, ultimately it is up to the couple to work on their marriage. If the couple does not, equally work together then they may part ways in the civil courts. If either wants to remarry in the Catholic Church they need to seek an annulment.
 
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If it causes one person to refrain from mortal sin, it is not a waste of time.

You should not judge so much.
 
LittleFlower said:
Firstly, again civilly divorcing is not a sin.
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This is false. Sometimes it is, and sometimes it isnt.

I’d put my life on the line to say most cases are sin.

This statement is one important reason why priests should write their statements
 
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I don’t consider divorce a sin, so yes, it’s a waste of time.
 
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This is false. Sometimes it is, and sometimes it isnt.
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No, this is false. You HAVE to civilly divorce to receive or even start the annulment proceedings.

The Church CANNOT ask you to sin. It is explicitly stated everywhere you need to get a divorce first.

It saddens God, when a couple civilly divorce. However, if they do not sin against purity, adultery, and chastity after the divorce then they are not sinning. They are still married in the eyes of the Church. If either wants to remarry or be considered fully single, they have to get an annulment.
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I’d put my life on the line to say most cases are sin.
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I recommend you take a step back, read the PDFs I posted, and do some introspection because it looks like you are posting from an emotional place and not able to soak in facts—happens to the best of us in hard time. 🌷
 
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rcwitness:
This is false. Sometimes it is, and sometimes it isnt.
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No, this is false. You HAVE to civilly divorce to receive or even start the annulment proceedings.

The Church CANNOT ask you to sin. It is explicitly stated everywhere you need to get a divorce first.

It saddens God, when a couple civilly divorce. However, if they do not sin against purity, adultery, and chastity afterward the divorce then they are not sinning. They are still married in the eyes of the Church. If either wants to remarry or be considered fully single, they have to get an annulment.

I recommend you take a step back, read the PDFs I posted, and do some introspection because it looks like you are posting from an emotional place and not able to soak in facts—happens to the best of us in hard time. 🌷
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Just because the tribunal requires the marriage to be civilly divorced, does NOT mean they endorse filing divorce in all cases, or by both spouses!

This is where you are terribly deceived!
 
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Yes. If a pastor wrote someone a letter stating they are not justified to divorce their spouse, then you might reconsider.
 
rcwitness said:
Just because the tribunal requires the marriage to be civilly divorced, does NOT mean they endorse filing divorce in all cases!

This is where you are terribly deceived!
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From https://www.franciscanmedia.org/seven-things-catholics-should-know-about-divorce/
The first thing Catholics should know is that divorce is not a sin that should keep a divorced Catholic from receiving the sacraments. A divorced or separated person is not excommunicated and is still a Catholic in good standing. The only reason for excommunication after divorce is remarriage without going through the annulment process.
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You are mistaken.

From http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a6.htm
[2383] The separation of spouses while maintaining the marriage bond can be legitimate in certain cases provided for by canon law.177
If civil divorce remains the only possible way of ensuring certain legal rights, the care of the children, or the protection of inheritance, it can be tolerated and does not constitute a moral offense.
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