Is it sinful to vote for Bernie Sanders?

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This is my first election cycle as a truly committed Catholic. And with that, I have to say I feel like this is a truly terrible cycle with terrible options. I hate the way the ideological line has divided the parties. There’s no anti-abortion democrats. The republican party seems to drift further and further away from the other issues I feel are vital. I could have voted for G.W. Bush for example, back in 2000, or McCain in 2008, maybe even Romney in 2012 even if I didn’t agree with much of their policies. But I feel like we live in an error of such extremes, and I have trouble considering voting for Trump or a Tea Party candidate. It doesn’t look like a moderate has a chance at the nomination.

I may very well vote third party if I can find a better candidate. And I don’t consider it a wasted vote, as I feel this country needs serious reform to its election process and the only way to make changes will be to work to get our voices heard.

I wish we had a serious Christian Democracy party in the States.

Rant over.
Precisely why I’m voting for Rand Paul. He is pro-life, wants to keep us out of pointless wars, get rid of the NSA’s intruding, audit the Federal Reserve, and let people keep what they have worked to earn.
 
Precisely why I’m voting for Rand Paul. He is pro-life, wants to keep us out of pointless wars, get rid of the NSA’s intruding, audit the Federal Reserve, and let people keep what they have worked to earn.
All well and good, and you are certainly entitled to vote for whom you please, but why throw away your vote? He can’t win the presidency this year.
 
All well and good, and you are certainly entitled to vote for whom you please, but why throw away your vote? He can’t win the presidency this year.
Because then I can say that I didn’t vote for any of those who will win. It’s not a wasted vote because it’s not going towards the two-party system that has failed miserably. When the winner continues America’s national tailspin, I can stand back and say “I told you so”.
 
All Democrats aren’t socialists. Clinton is not; O’Malley is not. All Democrats are not progressive; some are very conservative.

Things are very different now from when our grandparents voted. There are progressive Republicans now and conservative Democrats. Bernie Sanders, I’ll admit, is not conservative, but neither is Donald Trump, not by any means. He may like to think he is, but he’s not.
There has not been a government program that has come down the pike since Clinton was the president (and was turned in the right direction by Gingrich) that Democrats have opposed. Every one of them is socialist leaning in nature from gun control to health care. At this point there are few conservative Democrats, just about everyone of them has gone to the left.

And yes, we know that Donald Trump is not a conservative as it was not too long ago that he too was praising Obama and Hillary. Trump is an opportunist and is only responding to people who are fed up with the establishment politicians on both sides of the aisle.
 
Because then I can say that I didn’t vote for any of those who will win. It’s not a wasted vote because it’s not going towards the two-party system that has failed miserably. When the winner continues America’s national tailspin, I can stand back and say “I told you so”.
Okay, I understand. Thank you!
 
I’ll be voting for the Republican candidate regardless. I’m just not sure who I like the best. Paul and Cruz are probably my least favorite, with Paul being my least favorite by a long shot. Generally, Rubio and Christie are probably my two favorites, but I definitely think Trump could be a big positive force as well. For one thing, he’s not beholden to any lobbyists or special interests. He actually has experience with negotiating complex deals and getting good results. And another thing, I just thought of the other day is that he’s not 100% beholden to the Republicans either. Generally, whichever party wins, they tend to ignore good ideas from the other party. I don’t see Trump doing this as much as other candidates. With a Trump presidency, if a democrat has a good idea (yes, I’m sure it can happen . . . . sometimes 🙂 ) it will probably have a better shot at being looked at than if anyone else is president.
 
I’ll be voting for the Republican candidate regardless. I’m just not sure who I like the best. Paul and Cruz are probably my least favorite, with Paul being my least favorite by a long shot. Generally, Rubio and Christie are probably my two favorites, but I definitely think Trump could be a big positive force as well. For one thing, he’s not beholden to any lobbyists or special interests. He actually has experience with negotiating complex deals and getting good results. And another thing, I just thought of the other day is that he’s not 100% beholden to the Republicans either. Generally, whichever party wins, they tend to ignore good ideas from the other party. I don’t see Trump doing this as much as other candidates. With a Trump presidency, if a democrat has a good idea (yes, I’m sure it can happen . . . . sometimes 🙂 ) it will probably have a better shot at being looked at than if anyone else is president.
Does the fact that Trump refuses to participate in the debate tomorrow evening in Iowa because Fox News refused to remove Megyn Kelly as a moderator have any impact on your decision? I will vote for the republican candidate also unless the Dems or Indys pull someone out of thin air who is better (note: none of the current Dems running has a chance of ever getting my support). To me it seems Trump has finally pushed back to far and knows it. He even put out a cover statement saying he thought there had been too many debates already so that is his reason for not wanting to participate rather than his misogynist feelings toward Kelly.

time.com/4196506/republican-debate-donald-trump-megyn-kelly-fox-news/
 
Does the fact that Trump refuses to participate in the debate tomorrow evening in Iowa because Fox News refused to remove Megyn Kelly as a moderator have any impact on your decision? I will vote for the republican candidate also unless the Dems or Indys pull someone out of thin air who is better (note: none of the current Dems running has a chance of ever getting my support). To me it seems Trump has finally pushed back to far and knows it. He even put out a cover statement saying he thought there had been too many debates already so that is his reason for not wanting to participate rather than his misogynist feelings toward Kelly.

time.com/4196506/republican-debate-donald-trump-megyn-kelly-fox-news/
I was thinking positive of Trump myself, but his latest antics have turned me off. He is nothing but a narcissistic bully who thinks the world revolves around him. He is crude and rude and even with all his money he has little class. Plus, he said recently that he would cut deals with the Democrats and we certainly don’t need that either. We have enough of a dictator with Obama, and I fear Trump would be just as bad or even worse.
 
I am surprised that no one has mentioned the USCCB Forming Consciences for Faithful Citizenship which will answer the OP"s question.
  1. In this statement, we bishops do not intend to tell Catholics for whom or against whom to vote. Our purpose is to help Catholics form their consciences in accordance with God’s truth. We recognize that the responsibility to make choices in political life rests with each individual in light of a properly formed conscience, and that participation goes well beyond casting a vote in a particular election.
  2. Catholics often face difficult choices about how to vote. This is why it is so important to vote according to a well-formed conscience that perceives the proper relationship among moral goods. A Catholic cannot vote for a candidate who favors a policy promoting an intrinsically evil act, such as abortion, euthanasia, assisted suicide, deliberately subjecting workers or the poor to subhuman living conditions, redefining marriage in ways that violate its essential meaning, or racist behavior, **if the voter’s intent is to support that position. ** In such cases, a Catholic would be guilty of formal cooperation in grave evil. At the same time, a voter should not use a candidate’s opposition to an intrinsic evil to justify indifference or inattentiveness to other important moral issues involving human life and dignity.
  3. There may be times when a Catholic who rejects a candidate’s unacceptable position even on policies promoting an intrinsically evil act may reasonably decide to vote for that candidate for other morally grave reasons. Voting in this way would be permissible only for truly grave moral reasons, not to advance narrow interests or partisan preferences or to ignore a fundamental moral evil.
usccb.org/issues-and-action/faithful-citizenship/forming-consciences-for-faithful-citizenship-part-one.cfm

So no it is not sinful to vote for Bernie Sanders according to the bishops. The bishops do not tell Catholics for whom or against to vote. They recognize political choices rest with each individual.

It would only be sinful according to the Catholic faith if you were voting for him with the intent to support abortion or SSM for instance. But individual Catholics can vote for whomever they want if they determine there are other serious moral reasons to do so.
 
It would certainly be a sin to vote for him. The court cases can be changed, and there are still legislations going around concerning various restrictions on abortion. If we have a president that upholds morality, there is only good that can come out of it, whereas if we have a president without morals, no good can possibly come out of him.
 
Voting for Bernie is one of the most Christian and Christ-like things a person can do. Liberating the poor, healing the sick (by addressing the flaws in our health insurance systems), uplifting workers, and reforming criminal justice to rehabilitate the incarcerated, rather than subjugate them to a prison industrial complex, etc. are all elements of Bernie’s platform that read as if they’re culled from the Gospels themselves.
:amen: Not bad for a Jewish man who says he isn’t actively involved in an organized religion to take from the Gospels. 👍 And that exactly is what my informed conscience is telling me to do.

And btw for those who keep bringing up an informed conscience, none of us can see into another’s conscience… that is unless we are God:

CCC 1776 “His conscience is man’s most secret core and his sanctuary. There he is alone with God whose voice echoes in his depths.”
 
War is wrong as well.
So is torture which the last I knew was an intrinsic evil. CCC 2297 even says torture which uses physical or moral violence to extract confessions, punish the guilty, frighten opponents, or satisfy hatred is contrary to respect for the person and for human dignity.
 
Bernie is a prophetic figure for our time, calling us to greater awareness and action of the needs of our country.

Today’s Republican Party has no regard for human life. It has regard for zygotes and blastocysts, but none for the nutrition, educational, developmental, and social needs of children. Abortion is a tragic decision in many cases, but in other cases, it is the lesser of two evils, and is sadly necessary where a pregnancy is incompatible with life in its broadest conception.
 
Because then I can say that I didn’t vote for any of those who will win. It’s not a wasted vote because it’s not going towards the two-party system that has failed miserably. When the winner continues America’s national tailspin, I can stand back and say “I told you so”.
You apparently don’t see any differences at all between the 2 major parties on policy. I say that only because with the major parties controlling the election process, it can be difficult for a candidate who is not of one of the two major parties to get on enough state ballots and definitely difficult to break through enough to actually win enough states to secure an Electoral College win. Ask wannabe Presidents Anderson, Perot, and Nader to name a few. About the most a minor candidate can do is play a spoiler’s role by taking enough votes away from one of the majors. And still one of the 2 majors will end up winning.
 
Are you ok with tax rates higher than your take home income? You do know what a socialist is don’t you?
Please please Bernie, work to raise my taxes so I don’t have to pay high monthly premiums to private insurance companies and higher deductibles.
 
You cannot vote for someone who supports legal abortion. It’s a grave sin. You have to form your conscience on the truth. Read this article by Tim Staples: catholic.com/blog/tim-staples/politics-and-religion
I’m sure Tim Staples is a good Catholic and certainly can reach his conclusions. But it doesn’t mean Catholics who reach other voting conclusions are not also good Catholics. And he cites Catholic Answers’, a private laity-run internet business, voters guide, the use of which the bishops previously discouraged.

ewtn.com/v/news/getstory.asp?number=48969

The US Catholic bishops have their own guide, from which I cited from earlier, to show how an individual Catholic can vote for whomever they choose, even pro choice candidates as long as they are doing so for other serious moral reasons and not with the intent of supporting abortion or SSM for instance.
 
Bernie is a prophetic figure for our time, calling us to greater awareness and action of the needs of our country.

Today’s Republican Party has no regard for human life. It has regard for zygotes and blastocysts, but none for the nutrition, educational, developmental, and social needs of children. Abortion is a tragic decision in many cases, but in other cases, it is the lesser of two evils, and is sadly necessary where a pregnancy is incompatible with life in its broadest conception.
That is a big problem I see with the Republican Party. When they speak of family values they seem to mainly be referring to abortion and SSM. But there is so much to family values. The many needs you mentioned. Guaranteed family leave when a couple brings a newborn into their family would be another. Healthcare as a right for everyone another. Higher wages. And so much more constitute family values.
 
I’m sure Tim Staples is a good Catholic and certainly can reach his conclusions. But it doesn’t mean Catholics who reach other voting conclusions are not also good Catholics. And he cites Catholic Answers’, a private laity-run internet business, voters guide, the use of which the bishops previously discouraged.

ewtn.com/v/news/getstory.asp?number=48969

The US Catholic bishops have their own guide, from which I cited from earlier, to show how an individual Catholic can vote for whomever they choose, even pro choice candidates as long as they are doing so for other serious moral reasons and not with the intent of supporting abortion or SSM for instance.
I think the serious moral reasons that would justify supporting a candidate that is pro-choice or favors homosexual “marriage” have to outweigh or at least be equal to the gravity of those two sins. Considering how grave abortion is, compounded by the evil of homosexual “marriage”, this does not apply in the case of Bernie Sanders and the moral restriction of support for him remains.
 
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