Is it sinful to vote for Bernie Sanders?

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Lily_Bernans said:
I’m voting for him even if I have to write him in.Hopefully, Clinton will fall further from grace and disappear with her double digit millions.

If the voter turnout in Iowa is great, Sanders will probably win.
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the weather on voting day always plays a factor.
 
I might vote for Bernie. My first choice at this point is Christie. Bernie’s my second.

If it came down to Bernie vs. Trump, I’d probably vote for Bernie.

If it came down to Hillary or Trump, I’d probably write in for myself.

Whether or not it’s a sin? I don’t know and don’t care.

There’s always that slippery language: “Vote according to your conscience, and if your conscience is well-formed then you’ll vote the way we want you to.”

Which means, of course, that you’re allowed to vote any which way, but you’re either a bad Catholic or didn’t have a proper formation if you’re not in lock-step with us. What’s that story? The True Scotsman?
 
on_the_hill said:
I might vote for Bernie. My first choice at this point is Christie. Bernie’s my second.

If it came down to Bernie vs. Trump, I’d probably vote for Bernie.

If it came down to Hillary or Trump, I’d probably write in for myself.

Whether or not it’s a sin? I don’t know and don’t care.

There’s always that slippery language: “Vote according to your conscience, and if your conscience is well-formed then you’ll vote the way we want you to.”

Which means, of course, that you’re allowed to vote any which way, but you’re either a bad Catholic or didn’t have a proper formation if you’re not in lock-step with us. What’s that story? The True Scotsman?
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I don’t think Christie has a chance of becoming the nominee.
I will be glad when this is all over.
 
jschwartz said:
Voting for Bernie is one of the most Christian and Christ-like things a person can do. Liberating the poor, healing the sick (by addressing the flaws in our health insurance systems), uplifting workers, and reforming criminal justice to rehabilitate the incarcerated, rather than subjugate them to a prison industrial complex, etc. are all elements of Bernie’s platform that read as if they’re culled from the Gospels themselves.
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Giving to the poor is not virtuous when the money is stolen. As Calvin Coolidge put it, taxation is nothing but state-sponsored larceny. I would not pay a penny to the government if it were not a felony. Instead, I would give to the poor voluntarily, via private charity

Do you know why the government imposes taxes? Because it can. It has the guns and manpower to throw you in prison for not paying their arbitrary tributes. The government fetishizes power and dominion for its own sake. For example, it is why it uses “reasonable gun control” to make sure the most powerful weapons are monopolized by the police and the military industrial complex (and therefore, out of the hands of citizens who could threaten their power).

Bernie Sanders cares about nobody but himself and his micromanaging goons. Don’t believe his drivel about caring for the “poor and marginalized” (that is, the shiftless and unambitious). Welfare and social programs do not solve poverty; quite the contrary, they keep those under it in serfdom.

We should not be forced, under pain of sin, to capitulate to the government’s Nietszchean idea that they can bully us because they can.

Finally, consider this: how is it greedy to want to keep what one earns, but not greedy to demand what one did not earn?
 
I don’t think any of the politicians care about anyone except themselves. I don’t really trust any of them, from any party.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
Actually, Sanders is a Democratic Socialist. No matter who us president, from what party, taxes will go up. They always do. They won’t go higher than anyone’s take home pay, though. That has never happened. Well, it did to my brother, but that was way back when he was working as a waiter and his paycheck was $0.00. It wasn’t the taxes that reduced it, it was his benefits. He made plenty in tips for a young kid in culinary school, though.
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All Democrats are now Socialists, so there really is no such thing as a Democratic Socialist - the term is redundant. The premise that we are a democracy is wrong from the get go and for the Democrats it’s all downhill from there, We are a Federal Constitutional Republic whose leaders are elected in a quasi-democratic manner.

The fact is, Democrats hate the Constitution because it really prevents them from doing all they want to do, so to get what they want they have to interpret it in the most convoluted way. They say it says what it does not say, and say it does not say what it actually says. Obama himself has has had to defy it to get his agenda done and a President Bernie or Hillary will do the same thing.
 
Adonia said:
All Democrats are now Socialists, so there really is no such thing as a Democratic Socialist - the term is redundant. The premise that we are a democracy is wrong from the get go and for the Democrats it’s all downhill from there, We are a Federal Constitutional Republic whose leaders are elected in a quasi-democratic manner.

The fact is, Democrats hate the Constitution because it really prevents them from doing all they want to do, so to get what they want they have to interpret it in the most convoluted way. They say it says what it does not say, and say it does not say what it actually says. Obama himself has has had to defy it to get his agenda done and a President Bernie or Hillary will do the same thing.
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All Democrats aren’t socialists. Clinton is not; O’Malley is not. All Democrats are not progressive; some are very conservative. Things are very different now from when our grandparents voted. There are progressive Republicans now and conservative Democrats. Bernie Sanders, I’ll admit, is not conservative, but neither is Donald Trump, not by any means. He may like to think he is, but he’s not.
 
Adonia said:
All Democrats are now Socialists, so there really is no such thing as a Democratic Socialist - the term is redundant. The premise that we are a democracy is wrong from the get go and for the Democrats it’s all downhill from there, We are a Federal Constitutional Republic whose leaders are elected in a quasi-democratic manner.

The fact is, Democrats hate the Constitution because it really prevents them from doing all they want to do, so to get what they want they have to interpret it in the most convoluted way. They say it says what it does not say, and say it does not say what it actually says. Obama himself has has had to defy it to get his agenda done and a President Bernie or Hillary will do the same thing.
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adrift said:
Most Christian :rolleyes:

Anyone who supports abortion cannot be considered as a good Christian no matter what else they do. Doing some good does not wipe away the enormous evil.
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So I suppose all the Episcopal, Methodist, Presbyterian, Lutheran, and UCC bodies supporting a pro choice position aren’t Christian? The Catholic Church still promotes ecumenical relations with these mainline protestant churches.
 
jschwartz said:
So I suppose all the Episcopal, Methodist, Presbyterian, Lutheran, and UCC bodies supporting a pro choice position aren’t Christian? The Catholic Church still promotes ecumenical relations with these mainline protestant churches.
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This is my first election cycle as a truly committed Catholic. And with that, I have to say I feel like this is a truly terrible cycle with terrible options. I hate the way the ideological line has divided the parties. There’s no anti-abortion democrats. The republican party seems to drift further and further away from the other issues I feel are vital. I could have voted for G.W. Bush for example, back in 2000, or McCain in 2008, maybe even Romney in 2012 even if I didn’t agree with much of their policies. But I feel like we live in an error of such extremes, and I have trouble considering voting for Trump or a Tea Party candidate. It doesn’t look like a moderate has a chance at the nomination.

I may very well vote third party if I can find a better candidate. And I don’t consider it a wasted vote, as I feel this country needs serious reform to its election process and the only way to make changes will be to work to get our voices heard.

I wish we had a serious Christian Democracy party in the States.

Rant over.
 
Wesrock said:
This is my first election cycle as a truly committed Catholic. And with that, I have to say I feel like this is a truly terrible cycle with terrible options. I hate the way the ideological line has divided the parties. There’s no anti-abortion democrats. The republican party seems to drift further and further away from the other issues I feel are vital. I could have voted for G.W. Bush for example, back in 2000, or McCain in 2008, maybe even Romney in 2012 even if I didn’t agree with much of their policies. But I feel like we live in an error of such extremes, and I have trouble considering voting for Trump or a Tea Party candidate. It doesn’t look like a moderate has a chance at the nomination.

I may very well vote third party if I can find a better candidate. And I don’t consider it a wasted vote, as I feel this country needs serious reform to its election process and the only way to make changes will be to work to get our voices heard.

I wish we had a serious Christian Democracy party in the States.

Rant over.
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You are so right. I did vote for Bush, McCain, and even Romney and most likely I will vote for the Republican nominee. I don’t care for Trump’s bluster much but if it came down to him or either Clinton or Sanders, I will vote for Trump. My choice would be either Cruz or Christie.
 
Bookcat said:
The simple fact alone that the next President can likely choose 3 new Justices for the Supreme Court is sufficient reason to say - do not even think about it (though it is not the only reason!!)
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that is exactly why voting for someone who thinks executing an innocent unborn child in the womb is “reproductive rights” and would appoint justices with the same beliefs is exactly wht that candidate is a NO NO NO.

Obama appointed two pro abortion justices. These two, people forget, voted in FAVOR of gay marriage last June!
 
jschwartz said:
So I suppose all the Episcopal, Methodist, Presbyterian, Lutheran, and UCC bodies supporting a pro choice position aren’t Christian? The Catholic Church still promotes ecumenical relations with these mainline protestant churches.
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strawman what I said was that they weren’t “good” Christians and they are not. It is the job of the Church to convert them to being good Christians.
 
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