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Roseeurekacross
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Got a link to what the Parish Priest said here
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Rosie11
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I believe in medjugorji for me the place feels like heaven on Earth it makes me sad to think that it might be fake because I love it so much my grandmother goes for 6 weeks every year and she still says it isn’t enough I’m going to go every year I was very sad to leave after spending 2 weeks there I wish I could live there I’ve never experienced anything like that place and I’ve been to Lourdes, knock, and even Jerusalem I was Rebaptised In the river Jordan with my parents and I didn’t feel anything in any of those places I’ve never experienced anything like medj also when I came home from medj I was more aware of sin and more wary of it like I noticed sin more and I tried to be better and I was but sadly it only lasted around 3-4 months and my old self started creeping back in 
I still pray and do bible study go to mass each Sunday we go out and feed the homeless and give them blankets every winter but I’m still an evil person I can feel it in my heart and I can’t help it which is why I’ve been thinking of becoming a nun so I can avoid sin and get to heaven because I don’t want to go to hell I wish god didn’t give me free will tbh what I mean by me being an evil person is I have more pity for other people than my own family if my family need help I help them but not with a good heart I grumble and moan about it but if other people ask me I jump to help them happily if my sister falls or hurts herself I laugh so hard but if someone else falls it hurts my feelings and I run to help them I don’t know why I’m like this I wish I wasn’t and I wish the effects of these holy places would last on me forever
I still pray and do bible study go to mass each Sunday we go out and feed the homeless and give them blankets every winter but I’m still an evil person I can feel it in my heart and I can’t help it which is why I’ve been thinking of becoming a nun so I can avoid sin and get to heaven because I don’t want to go to hell I wish god didn’t give me free will tbh what I mean by me being an evil person is I have more pity for other people than my own family if my family need help I help them but not with a good heart I grumble and moan about it but if other people ask me I jump to help them happily if my sister falls or hurts herself I laugh so hard but if someone else falls it hurts my feelings and I run to help them I don’t know why I’m like this I wish I wasn’t and I wish the effects of these holy places would last on me forever
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I heard about these things, too. Not so much about ‘possession’, but cursing can’t be good. But one pro-Medj site actually calls it a good thing…that the devils are complaining about being sent away! But I never heard of this happening at any holy place!
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Rosie11
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It’s very common thing to see at medj especially during apparitions the tour guides even warn us before hand so we dont get afraid
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YoungCatholicGuy
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Similar things happened in the bible when demons beheld Jesus:
‘and when they saw Him, they cried aloud in a loud voice saying, ‘’What have you to do with us Son of David? Please do not torment us before the time.’’ And Jesus with a swift rebuke cast the demons out of many, and they came out, crying in a loud voice. And the people marvelled wondering, who is this Man that even the demons obey Him?’’
Padre Pio cast out demons amongst pilgrims.
‘and when they saw Him, they cried aloud in a loud voice saying, ‘’What have you to do with us Son of David? Please do not torment us before the time.’’ And Jesus with a swift rebuke cast the demons out of many, and they came out, crying in a loud voice. And the people marvelled wondering, who is this Man that even the demons obey Him?’’
Padre Pio cast out demons amongst pilgrims.
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I have only been there once and that was only for a few hours (a day trip from Croatia) but I think it was is a special place. I think you can feel Mary in Medugorje particularly on Apparition hill I think. I was sceptical before, and I’m still not 100% sure of the visionaries messages etc, but I feel Mary is there in Medugorje and that it is a special place.
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semper_catholicus
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Feelings are NOT the standard of judgment.
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TheLittleLady
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Sweet lady, every time you go to Confession and try again, you grow in grace. You do not need private apparitions, approved or not, in order to get to heaven.
If you feel a vocation to be a nun, by all means explore it, but do not think that nuns are somehow exempt from sin. A good nun will be the first to tell you that they also go to Confession after sin and then try again next time.
If you feel a vocation to be a nun, by all means explore it, but do not think that nuns are somehow exempt from sin. A good nun will be the first to tell you that they also go to Confession after sin and then try again next time.
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What I mean is nuns are exposed to less sin on a daily basis than normal everyday people I don’t know if I’m being selfish by becoming a nun or if I’m doing it for god because my main reason for wanting to become a nun is to get to heaven (is that wrong?) the thought of burning in hell for all eternity frightens me I use to have terrible nightmares about it when I was younger if I lived in a convent I wouldn’t be exposed to sin therefore there would be less sin on my soul when judgment day comes I would gladly give up my life to become a nun as long as I was garunteed a spot in heaven
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Vocations should be sought out of love not fear. At least try to have more of the former.
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Legend
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Sounds like you’d be becoming a nun out of fear. Vocations are a lot more complicated than that. You should become a nun because you have something you can give…Not something you can get. It sounds as if you may have scruples. That isn’t healthy. And nuns are sinners too.
You should try and get to know someone who is called to a religious life. You’ll find there’s just as much possible sin there. It may not be obvious or what we usually think of as sinful. But it is.
You’re still very young. Even if a convent accepted you, you’d still have to wait four years, in most orders, before taking your lifetime vows. Please, think about this carefully, and pray.
God Bless!
You should try and get to know someone who is called to a religious life. You’ll find there’s just as much possible sin there. It may not be obvious or what we usually think of as sinful. But it is.
You’re still very young. Even if a convent accepted you, you’d still have to wait four years, in most orders, before taking your lifetime vows. Please, think about this carefully, and pray.
God Bless!
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I’ve been to Medj. Saw a lot of devout, sincere and well-meaning people of high faith. Who doubtless would have been so in any location. Also saw not a few tacky trinket sellers and people making profits off the tourists.
Went to the Vatican and saw … precisely the same. Went to World Youth Day in Sydney … same. Didn’t see or experience anything extraordinarily miraculous - or for that matter unsettling - in any of these places.
Which is fine. We know Our Lord had scant regard for seekers after signs and wonders.
Went to the Vatican and saw … precisely the same. Went to World Youth Day in Sydney … same. Didn’t see or experience anything extraordinarily miraculous - or for that matter unsettling - in any of these places.
Which is fine. We know Our Lord had scant regard for seekers after signs and wonders.
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semper_catholicus
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Okay? That’s cool, I guess?
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Three days later, in an interview for Il Giornale, Archbishop Hoser corrected himself and said: “It is necessary to distinguish between the cult and the apparitions. If a bishop wants to organize a prayer pilgrimage to Medjugorje, in order to pray to Our Lady, he can do it without any problem. But if it is about pilgrimages organized to go there for apparitions, that cannot be done, there is no permission for that” and “The Vatican is working on it. The document is in the Secretariat of State, and we need to wait for it”.
Are pilgrimages to Medjugorje allowed?
Are pilgrimages to Medjugorje allowed?
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Legend
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I have been wondering just why Archbishop Hozer was sent to Medj. He, and others involved, have made it clear that he is NOT there to investigate the apparitions. So, just what is he doing?
It’s important to understand: the tension between the Franciscans who run the parish, and the diocesan clergy, is not a new thing: it has been going on for centuries! The Franciscans were the major evangelists: they converted many generations of local people:they built the first churches.
When it became obvious that there was a large Catholic Christian population there, the pope decided to appoint a bishop, who would eventually post diocesan clergy to head the parishes. The Franciscans, understandably, were not happy about this, and many of the locals, comfortable with the way things were, sided with them.
The head of the Franciscan order appealed to the pope, who arranged for the parished to be handed over gradually… Many Franciscans still resisted. In 1975, Pope Paul Gave an official order. Things were still going slowly. Then, in 1981…Medjugorje!
The whole situation was called ‘The Herzegovina question’. here is a link:
http://www.unamsanctamcatholicam.co...0-understanding-the-herzegovina-question.html
(Note: I don’t know much about the web page from which this was taken. But, it is the most complete explanation I have seen, and agrees with everything I’ve read about the matter, including the thread I linked to above, which contains posts from many people, pro and con on the Medj question.)
So, were the visionaries pawns of the Franciscans who wanted to retain control over the area? Most say…possibly, but not at first. The first visionary to actually see the vision had recently and quite suddenly lost her mother. None showed any sign of lying. (The video of Vicka flinching was taken in 1985).
So, was a divine act of sympathy just taken too far?
There are no easy answers. But I doubt we’ll see a resolution soon. Pope Francis has said that the first seven to ten visions ‘merited further investigation’. This isn’t a promising sign.
Getting back to the beginning…the Archbishop may have been sent as a first step in removing the care of pilgrims from the Franciscans, who are still in charge of the parish. Or, at least giving them an option.
The order from Pope Paul is still in effect!
Also, it must be obvious…the once-poor, agrarian community, largely made up of small farmers, is now a bustling tourist site. Tours, trinkets, and opportunities to see the seers during a ‘vision’ are now a financial staple of the area. Many locals, including visionaries, are opening hotels, and making a good living. It wouldn’t be prudent for the Pope or the CDF to tank the economy…
Yes, lots of speculating, but no easy answers…
It’s important to understand: the tension between the Franciscans who run the parish, and the diocesan clergy, is not a new thing: it has been going on for centuries! The Franciscans were the major evangelists: they converted many generations of local people:they built the first churches.
When it became obvious that there was a large Catholic Christian population there, the pope decided to appoint a bishop, who would eventually post diocesan clergy to head the parishes. The Franciscans, understandably, were not happy about this, and many of the locals, comfortable with the way things were, sided with them.
The head of the Franciscan order appealed to the pope, who arranged for the parished to be handed over gradually… Many Franciscans still resisted. In 1975, Pope Paul Gave an official order. Things were still going slowly. Then, in 1981…Medjugorje!
The whole situation was called ‘The Herzegovina question’. here is a link:
http://www.unamsanctamcatholicam.co...0-understanding-the-herzegovina-question.html
(Note: I don’t know much about the web page from which this was taken. But, it is the most complete explanation I have seen, and agrees with everything I’ve read about the matter, including the thread I linked to above, which contains posts from many people, pro and con on the Medj question.)
So, were the visionaries pawns of the Franciscans who wanted to retain control over the area? Most say…possibly, but not at first. The first visionary to actually see the vision had recently and quite suddenly lost her mother. None showed any sign of lying. (The video of Vicka flinching was taken in 1985).
So, was a divine act of sympathy just taken too far?
There are no easy answers. But I doubt we’ll see a resolution soon. Pope Francis has said that the first seven to ten visions ‘merited further investigation’. This isn’t a promising sign.
Getting back to the beginning…the Archbishop may have been sent as a first step in removing the care of pilgrims from the Franciscans, who are still in charge of the parish. Or, at least giving them an option.
The order from Pope Paul is still in effect!
Also, it must be obvious…the once-poor, agrarian community, largely made up of small farmers, is now a bustling tourist site. Tours, trinkets, and opportunities to see the seers during a ‘vision’ are now a financial staple of the area. Many locals, including visionaries, are opening hotels, and making a good living. It wouldn’t be prudent for the Pope or the CDF to tank the economy…
Yes, lots of speculating, but no easy answers…
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Yes you would because convents are full of … people!
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hope
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This is a thought I also had and why I believe no ruling will ever come.
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Legend
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We should also watch out for ‘spin’ on the pro-Medj sites! For example, they usually say that Pope John Paul II was in favor of the phenomena, yet…
When Bishop Zanic retired, on reaching retirement age, he could have appointed anyone he wanted, within reason, to replace him. But, he posted Bishop Peric, who, if anything, is more opposed to the supernaturality of the visions than his predecessor!
They seem to grasp at straws. Always, they point that one member of the ‘Zadar declaration’ team voted in favor of the apparitions, and one abstained. What about the 14or so, who had no problem voting against?
If JP II was so much in favor, why are all the quotes ever given from private conversations and (alleged)private correspondence?
I agree, there won’t be an official statement for a looong time!
When Bishop Zanic retired, on reaching retirement age, he could have appointed anyone he wanted, within reason, to replace him. But, he posted Bishop Peric, who, if anything, is more opposed to the supernaturality of the visions than his predecessor!
They seem to grasp at straws. Always, they point that one member of the ‘Zadar declaration’ team voted in favor of the apparitions, and one abstained. What about the 14or so, who had no problem voting against?
If JP II was so much in favor, why are all the quotes ever given from private conversations and (alleged)private correspondence?
I agree, there won’t be an official statement for a looong time!
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BoomerangToo
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In the video posted by AmazingGrace (no. 6), a man in the crowd wanted to see if the “seers” were truly in a state of ecstasy. As the seers were staring upward at the apparition of the “Gospa” (Blessed Virgin Mary), the man poked his finger at Vicka’s eyes. Vicka clearly flinched, partially closed her eyes and pulled backwards at the intruding finger. A person who is in a true religious ecstasy would not have reacted to any external promptings, but Vicka did obviously react.
When the “apparition” was over, a reporter asked Vicka why she flinched like that if she was genuinely in an ecstatic state. Her response beggared belief. She said she wasn’t flinching at the man’s stabbing finger, but she was, in fact, startled by seeing the fumbling Blessed Virgin about to drop baby Jesus on the floor!
This was followed by a huuuuggee eye-roll on my part and a whole lot of other people, too. Goodbye, Medjugorje.
When the “apparition” was over, a reporter asked Vicka why she flinched like that if she was genuinely in an ecstatic state. Her response beggared belief. She said she wasn’t flinching at the man’s stabbing finger, but she was, in fact, startled by seeing the fumbling Blessed Virgin about to drop baby Jesus on the floor!
This was followed by a huuuuggee eye-roll on my part and a whole lot of other people, too. Goodbye, Medjugorje.
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I do not hold any strong thoughts on Medjugorje and prefer to wait to hear from the Vatican.
I did watch the video and disagree with with video(post 6 AmazingGrace) I disagree with the Parapsychologists views on true religious ecstasy.
I doubt the Lord would allow a person to be injured when in true religious ecstasy. I feel that when in true religious ecstasy ones consciousness will still have some awareness of danger within their surroundings.
I wonder why one would try to poke the eye of another person.
I did watch the video and disagree with with video(post 6 AmazingGrace) I disagree with the Parapsychologists views on true religious ecstasy.
I doubt the Lord would allow a person to be injured when in true religious ecstasy. I feel that when in true religious ecstasy ones consciousness will still have some awareness of danger within their surroundings.
I wonder why one would try to poke the eye of another person.
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