Islam & Muslim bashing thread?

[swariffin]

** Thanks. You are shifting the subject from Jesus as god praying and dying on the cross, his prayer not being accepted, to Muhammad. There is no place here for Muhammad yet. We are discussing Jesus as a god who died. I feel that angelos has tried to reply to my questions in some thread. I will go an see to that now.

Thanks for good wishes for Ramadhan and Eid ul Fitr. I always join in the festivities of the christians.**

Dear Planten,

Angelos did it for me. That what a team is for, correct? I knew he would, because your questions indeed too good to be ignored.

That is very kind of you, willing to join christian festivities for the spirit of brotherhood. My muslim friends brought me some traditional food and we enjoy them together.

 

[Angelos]

** I did not want to reply to you. But you have tried to give support to Lance. So please see that the birth of Jesus in doubtful circumstances, is very much in the bible NT your sacred book.

Also Leonardo Da Vinci was an educated christian who investigated all about the relation of Jesus with Mary Magd. He described it. So please believe if you believe the bad things about Muhammad. Those things about Muhamamd are not in the Quran. They are in the writings of men.

Similarly, the secret marriage of Jesus with Mary Magd is also in some book written by a man. So you have to believe both things or reject both things. You have not advised anything to Lance to desist from bad ideas. If you had done it then there would be no attack on your religion and you will not need to defend your religion.

I was not attacking any one here. I tell you honestly that I never thought about the illegal birth of Jesus or the secret marriage of Jesus to Mary Magd until I read those bad words of Lance here. Shall I hope for any justice from you?. **

Planten’s Shariah regime is valid here too.

He feels obliged to retaliate in whatever way. Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, Jesus’ supposed marriage with Mary Magdalene for Mohammad’s marriage with Aisha…

However, this act of retaliation by Planten betrays the notion of justice since Mohammad’s marriage with a young girl is a historic fact endorsed by Muslims whereas Jesus’ (alleged) marriage with Mary Magdalene is a lie fabricated by Jesus’ enemies and always refuted by His Church.

 

[Angelos]

Dear Planten,

Angelos did it for me. That what a team is for, correct? I knew he would, because your questions indeed too good to be ignored.

This is what friends are for.

 

[swariffin]

I need explanation from Lance only about the secret marriage of Jesus with Mary Magd. Also about the birth of Jesus in doubtful circumstances. Shall I believe that Jesus was secretly married to Mary magd and shall I believe that Jesus birth was very much doubtful matter?

My holy book (Quran) does not tell me such bad things. But there are other sources, books, videos and bible which give information that the above is true.

Dear Planten,

I understand why you get upset. At least I know that you strongly believe in your holybook rather than those mumbo-jumbo videos/books/whatever. You are not a kind of man who would like to substitute your holybook with others.

 

[Lance]

planten,
Just about the time you were editing your last post, I was in front of a Planned Parenthood abortion mill in Aurora, Illinois as part of our 40 day prayer vigil. I heard a helicopter going over when suddenly sparks came out of it and it went down in a fire ball. I found out that it was a med-evac chopper carrying a baby who was having seizures to Childrens Memorial Hospital in Chicago. It hit a radio tower guide wire. In a instant 4 people including the baby were dead and all I could do was stand there and watch as I called 911. All our lives can change in an instant so we should be prepaired to meet God at any moment. Some of my posts have been uncharitable about Islam. I don’t believe in Islam but that does not mean that many good people don’t follow it. I apologize to anyone who I insulted. I will not stand by while ignorant, untrue or hateful things are said about Christianity or Catholicism but I will try to defend my faith without attacking a faith other than my own. I pray that in the future you will do the same.

 

[planten]

Planten’s Shariah regime is valid here too.

He feels obliged to retaliate in whatever way. Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, Jesus’ supposed marriage with Mary Magdalene for Mohammad’s marriage with Aisha…

However, this act of retaliation by Planten betrays the notion of justice since Mohammad’s marriage with a young girl is a historic fact endorsed by Muslims whereas Jesus’ (alleged) marriage with Mary Magdalene is a lie fabricated by Jesus’ enemies and always refuted by His Church.

**You are wrong. Muslims do not believe that Muhammad was a pedophile. They do not believe that he was a false prophet. So in reply I can only repeat what I said earlier that Jesus was a false God and his birth was in very much doubtful circumstances, Mary being pregnant before getting married can never be explained by you now.

You are insisting that Muhammad was a pedophile. I am insisting that Jesus was secretly married to Mary Magd. What is harm in that? He was a man. And men do get married. They have children too. Why can Jesus not have children?

You are insisting on defaming Muhammad on some pretext or other. So you should look to the marriage of Jesus and to the Pregnancy of Mary, please. Solve those problems . One of them is very much in the bible, i.e. the Pregnancy of Mary. The other about Mary Magd is also evident from her taking the medicines and perfumes to the tomb early in the morning to anoint Jesus. Why she went there? Was she related in any way?

It is all due to your bad attitude that people are learning more and more about the bad things of the bible.

If you insist that Muhammad was a false prophet, I will insist on the illegal birth of Jesus. Forget my religion or Quran. You do not believe in those things. So please leave them alone.**

 

[planten]

Dear Planten,

I understand why you get upset. At least I know that you strongly believe in your holybook rather than those mumbo-jumbo videos/books/whatever. You are not a kind of man who would like to substitute your holybook with others.

Thanks for advice. Did you feel bad about Lance saying Muhammad was pedeophile and that he was a false prophet?. How do you accept that?. Was it necessary to say those things? I feel it was most unlike christians, unlike Catholics.

My religion, my book does not teach me anything bad about Jesus or Mary. I know my beliefs but i have the right to ask Lance about the secret marriage of Jesus to Mary magd and about the illegal birth of Jesus.

 

[planten]

planten,
Just about the time you were editing your last post, I was in front of a Planned Parenthood abortion mill in Aurora, Illinois as part of our 40 day prayer vigil. I heard a helicopter going over when suddenly sparks came out of it and it went down in a fire ball. I found out that it was a med-evac chopper carrying a baby who was having seizures to Childrens Memorial Hospital in Chicago. It hit a radio tower guide wire. In a instant 4 people including the baby were dead and all I could do was stand there and watch as I called 911. All our lives can change in an instant so we should be prepaired to meet God at any moment. Some of my posts have been uncharitable about Islam. I don’t believe in Islam but that does not mean that many good people don’t follow it. I apologize to anyone who I insulted. I will not stand by while ignorant, untrue or hateful things are said about Christianity or Catholicism but I will try to defend my faith without attacking a faith other than my own. I pray that in the future you will do the same.

You have half heartedly drifted away from your earlier posture of open abuse. You do not have to defend your faith if you behave yourself. Please do not advise me.

 

[Booklover]

You are wrong. Muslims do not believe that Muhammad was a pedophile. They do not believe that he was a false prophet. So in reply I can only repeat what I said earlier that Jesus was a false God and his birth was in very much doubtful circumstances, Mary being pregnant before getting married can never be explained by you now.

You are insisting that Muhammad was a pedophile. I am insisting that Jesus was secretly married to Mary Magd. What is harm in that? He was a man. And men do get married. They have children too. Why can Jesus not have children?

You are insisting on defaming Muhammad on some pretext or other. So you should look to the marriage of Jesus and to the Pregnancy of Mary, please. Solve those problems . One of them is very much in the bible, i.e. the Pregnancy of Mary. The other about Mary Magd is also evident from her taking the medicines and perfumes to the tomb early in the morning to anoint Jesus. Why she went there? Was she related in any way?

It is all due to your bad attitude that people are learning more and more about the bad things of the bible.

If you insist that Muhammad was a false prophet, I will insist on the illegal birth of Jesus. Forget my religion or Quran. You do not believe in those things. So please leave them alone.

So you consider it perfectly okay for a man over fifty years old to have sex with a 9 year old girl??

How childish, irrational and hypocritical you are! Because we don’t accept Muhammad as a prophet, you resort to bashing Jesus, who you claim to love! "Loving Jesus"is more Islamic deception. You don’t give a hoot about Jesus.

Vickie

 

[Nepenthe]

Some mod should edit the title, and just call it “Bashing Thread.”

 

[Lance]

You have half heartedly drifted away from your earlier posture of open abuse. You do not have to defend your faith if you behave yourself. Please do not advise me.

In order for me to maintain a charitable attitude, I think it will be best if in the future we ignore each others post. I am going to add you to my ignore list so that I will no longer see your posts as I find them offinsive and untrue, I believe it would be best if you put me on your ignore list as I am sure you feel the same way about me.

 

[planten]

In order for me to maintain a charitable attitude, I think it will be best if in the future we ignore each others post. I am going to add you to my ignore list so that I will no longer see your posts as I find them offinsive and untrue, I believe it would be best if you put me on your ignore list as I am sure you feel the same way about me.

That is very kind of you. You do what you like. But please do not advise me as I told you before too.

 

[planten]

So you consider it perfectly okay for a man over fifty years old to have sex with a 9 year old girl??

How childish, irrational and hypocritical you are! Because we don’t accept Muhammad as a prophet, you resort to bashing Jesus, who you claim to love! "Loving Jesus"is more Islamic deception. You don’t give a hoot about Jesus.

Vickie

For you, I would not say that I love Jesus. I would rather say that his birth was quite illegal as per description in the bible NT. Mary being pregnant before meeting her husband. Forget about Muhammad. Discuss about Jesus please.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace

Some mod should edit the title, and just call it “Bashing Thread.”

I request Admin & mods to be more active & start deleting all the hateful posts & make the forum environment calm & peaceful

 

[planten]

Some mod should edit the title, and just call it “Bashing Thread.”

Yes, Very good idea. That would be vey good topic where every one could bash every one else.

 

[cathopologist]

Salaam/peace

I request Admin & mods to be more active & start deleting all the hateful posts & make the forum environment calm & peaceful

This is really hypocritical. You created this thread, with the intention of baiting Catholics and now you’re requesting the Admins and Mods to play puppet?

Seek professional help, Muslim Woman. You need it more than anyone else here.

 

[Booklover]

For you, I would not say that I love Jesus. I would rather say that his birth was quite illegal as per description in the bible NT. Mary being pregnant before meeting her husband. Forget about Muhammad. Discuss about Jesus please.

May God have mercy on you for your blindness!

Vickie

 

[Nepenthe]

Yeah, I’m seeing a lot of bashiness all around. Oh well, better to get it out of your systems on the internet, maybe, but still…I hate to backseat mod, but really people, Christian and Muslim and whatever…reeeelaaax. I know most of you are pretty friendly for the most part - I’ve seen you be!

 

[Angelos]

**You are wrong. Muslims do not believe that Muhammad was a pedophile. They do not believe that he was a false prophet. So in reply I can only repeat what I said earlier that Jesus was a false God and his birth was in very much doubtful circumstances, Mary being pregnant before getting married can never be explained by you now.

You are insisting that Muhammad was a pedophile. I am insisting that Jesus was secretly married to Mary Magd. What is harm in that? He was a man. And men do get married. They have children too. Why can Jesus not have children?

You are insisting on defaming Muhammad on some pretext or other. So you should look to the marriage of Jesus and to the Pregnancy of Mary, please. Solve those problems . One of them is very much in the bible, i.e. the Pregnancy of Mary. The other about Mary Magd is also evident from her taking the medicines and perfumes to the tomb early in the morning to anoint Jesus. Why she went there? Was she related in any way?

It is all due to your bad attitude that people are learning more and more about the bad things of the bible.

If you insist that Muhammad was a false prophet, I will insist on the illegal birth of Jesus. Forget my religion or Quran. You do not believe in those things. So please leave them alone.**

You deny the fact that Mohammad DID marry Aisha when she was nine! This fact is endorsed by Muslims. You cannot object to or delete this fact, but only object to the way some people interpret it.

Jesus’ alleged marriage with Mary Magdalene, on the other hand, is denied by Jesus’ Church. When you bring up this supposed marriage, you only repeat the faulty allegations of some enemies of Christ. (Mary Magdalene was not a girl of 9, so your comparison is wrong even if we accept that Jesus married Magdalene)

Mary’s pregnancy has never been a problematic issue for us Christians because the New Testament explains how and why Mary became pregnant as a virgin. You are making up problems that are debunked by our scripture and faith. You are wasting your time.

It seems that you are confusing too many things and there are lots of things you have to learn.

 

[Nepenthe]

Yeah, but most people apparently think Joseph married Mary when she was 12 and already pregnant, and he was no spring chicken.

Around 700AD, marriage to girls to around 9-12 was pretty common, both in continental Europe and the Middle East, especially among fairly well-off families. Times and customs change. Fingerpointing at Mohammed doesn’t change any of that one whit.

Just saying, please, ease down with that stuff, hey?