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Bible Curses Church Fathers Who REMOVED Book of Revelations

by Yusuf Estes ( ex Pastor)

The Book of Revelation was taken out of the Bible several times and then replaced and then taken out and replaced according to various Church Councils throughout Church history.

Guess the Church Fathers didn’t read the curse at the end of the book? 🤷

islamtomorrow.com/articles/Bible_vs_Quran.asp
You are misinformed. But, you are acknowledging the curse?
 
There are many names for God in the Old Testament. One means the Almighty One. One means “all-nourishing mother” (El Shaddai). One means “the one who heals you.” etc. They are all names of the same God and praised the different attributes of the one God. The Jews saw the Trinity as Father, Mother, and Son. The Holy Spirit is referred to as “Wisdom” in the Old Testament and is always referred to as “she.” We are made in the image (reflection) of God, not the other way around. If father, mother, and children are all the same family, if men and women can have both masculine and feminine traits, it shouldn’t be impossible for us to understand the three persons of the one God.

It is interesting that Islam denies that Jesus is the Son of God, but they hold Mohammed as equal to their god.
 
An answer for every question:

I would always search for causes and purposes for everything. I would anticipate logical explanations for them. On the other hand, the explanations provided by priests and other Christian men of religion did not satisfy me. Most of the time, instead of giving satisfactory answers to my questions, they would dismiss the matter with evasive prevarications such as, “We cannot understand these things. They are divine secrets” and “They are beyond the grasp of the human mind.”
This poor man was misled and deceived by Muslims who concealed from him the following verse in the Koran:

Surah 3:7
He it is Who has revealed the Book to you; some of its verses are decisive, they are the basis of the Book, and others are allegorical; then as for those in whose hearts there is perversity they follow the part of it which is allegorical, seeking to mislead and seeking to give it (their own) interpretation. but none knows its interpretation except Allah, and those who are firmly rooted in knowledge say: We believe in it, it is all from our Lord; and none do mind except those having understanding.

Besides, there are many things the god of the Koran chooses to conceal from his creatures. For instance:

Surah 18:22
(Some) say: (They are) three, the fourth of them being their dog; and (others) say: Five, the sixth of them being their dog, making conjectures at what is unknown; and (others yet) say: Seven, and the eighth of them is their dog. Say: My Lord best knows their number, none knows them but a few; therefore contend not in the matter of them but with an outward contention, and do not question concerning them any of them.
Upon this I decided to study, on the one hand, Oriental religions, and on the other hand, books written by famous philosophers. The books written by these philosophers always dealt with such subjects as protoplasms, atoms, molecules, and particles, and did not even touch on reflections such as “What becomes of the human soul?” “Where does the soul go after death?” “How should we discipline our souls in this world?”

The Islamic religion, on the other hand, treated the human subject not only within the corporeal areas, but also along the spiritual extensions. Therefore, I chose Islam not because I had lost my way, or only because Christianity had incurred my displeasure, or as a result of sudden decision, but, on the contrary, after very minutely studying it and becoming thoroughly convinced about its greatness, singularity, solemnity and perfection

[Muhammad Alexander Russell Webb; American diplomat, author]
This same poor man does not know that Mohammad adopted the doctrine of bodily resurrection from Christianity. Hence the 18th Surah of the Koran relates the story of Christian believers coming back to life after death!
Now I realize I can get in direct contact with God, unlike Christianity or any other religion. As one Hindu lady told me, “You don’t understand the Hindus. We believe in one God; we use these objects (idols) to merely concentrate.” What she was saying was that in order to reach God, one has to create associates, that are idols for the purpose. But Islam removes all these barriers.
[Yusuf Islaam, formerly Cat Stevens]
Mr Cat pathetically pretends not to know that the god of Islam needs angels and human messengers to communicate with his creatures. Thus, without Mohammad, there is no Islam! Thus, Mohammad is an idol too!

More, Mr Cat pretends not to know that the Koran does not reject the institution of priesthood in Judaism.

The same Mr Cat pretends not to know that the god of Islam cannot directly punish sinners. He somehow needs humans to execute punishment for certain sins.
Universality:
Islam is a religion that belongs not only to the Arabs but to the entire humanity. This universal quality presents a sharp contrast with the Judaic religion, whose holy book always refers to the God of Israel.
It is a pity that Muslims strive to ignore the fact that the Koran addresses Arabs only! Surah 42:7 makes it clear that the Koran was supposedly revealed to Mohammad’s folk. There are so many verses to rebut the Islamic hoax that Islam is a universal religion!!!
One more thing that I love in Islam is that this religion recognizes all the prophets, makes no distinction between them and treats the believers of other religions with compassion.
*[Mahmud Gunnar Ahmad, Swedish Muslim.
Islam recognises the prophets stated in the Koran alone! Since the Koran manipulates all the prophets and imprisons them to Mohammad’s ideology, the so-called Islamic belief in all prophets will not count!
*
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In 9/11 tragedy , maximum 3 thousands died . Tragedies in Iraq & Afghanistan took millions lives already.

because of 9/11 , Zionists & Christians benifitted in several ways , so time to think who really were behind that tragedy ? Those who suffered or those who gained ?
Muslim Woman, so you are in effect believing every little thing Dr Zakir Naik has to say, accusing the Bush administration of actually killing his own people on the 9/11 attack?

How can Christians benefit from the war in Iraq? Do you know before the war, there were millions of Chaldean Catholics and Syrian Orthodox living in Iraq? Do you know how many there are now? Do you know how many Christians in Iraq were killed?
umm …Zakir is an excellent speaker . His memory is superb . He will be able to quote many Biblical verses from memory when I guess ( no offence pl. ) Pope will need his bible in front of him.

May be , Pope is the best Christian in this world but I don’t think he is a good speaker. He may send his representative to have a debate/ discussion on religion with Zakir . That will be wonderful.
Copying and pasting Dr Zakir's work isn't going to help you gain insight into Islamic teaching, that's for sure. I'd rather you read Rumi's work. The Pope didn't give Dr Zaik an audience because everyone knows; even Muslim scholars tend to stay away from a person who breeds hate, misinformation and dabbles with conspiracy theories.
 
Muslims, especially Muslim men, are favored under Sharia (Islamic) law. It is criminal for an infidel to injure a Muslim. There is no such protection for infidels, who are to be subjucated by the sword, unless they are used to pay the infidel tax. Under such superiority doctrines, a single death of a Muslim by an infidel outrages the Muslim world, whereas the whole extermination of infidels (say Christians in Africa) is ignored.
 
Could you elaborate on this
Elaborate on the Trinity? We know the many descriptions/names of God in the Old Testament emphasize God’s attributes. God is the almight father. God is also the all-nourishing mother (El Shaddai). The Holy Spirit is referred to as God’s Wisdom. God the son who saves us from sins. But, they all refer to and describe the same God. We are all made in the image of God (male and female he created them). Men and women are both human. The three persons of the Trinity are all God. (“Hear, Oh Isreal, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.”) We resemble/reflect attributes of God. It is when we in turn make up our own god that we impose human limits and motivations onto our god and place ourselves as equals to our gods. Hmmm.
 
It seems that Christians are being told to convert to islam or die.

Iraq - forced conversions

At least 900 families have fled.

Deputy Gov. Khasro Goran said 13 Christians have been slain in the past two weeks inMosul, about 260 miles (420 kilometers) north of Baghdad. Fleeing Christians have sought refuge in monasteries and churches and with family members in other towns, an Interior Ministry official said.

A week ago, leaflets were distributed in several predominantly Christian neighborhoods, threatening families to “either convert to Islam or pay the jizyah or leave the city or face death,” said the Interior Ministry official.

the article continues.

Take note of the number of ‘moderates’ who don’t do anything to help them. yeah, it is the same old story - the silence is deafening. and then we have to bear the continual writings of muslims on these boards about the abrogated verses in the koran about no compulsion in religion. 🤷
 
Muslims, especially Muslim men, are favored under Sharia (Islamic) law. It is criminal for an infidel to injure a Muslim. There is no such protection for infidels, who are to be subjucated by the sword, unless they are used to pay the infidel tax. Under such superiority doctrines, a single death of a Muslim by an infidel outrages the Muslim world, whereas the whole extermination of infidels (say Christians in Africa) is ignored.

Our laws are not derived from Islam (so far), but from the Christian Bible. We need to pray that our land is not conquered and that crimes against infidels (and women) does NOT become acceptable. There is no peace without Jesus. (There is also no jihad without crimes against infidels.)
 
I think I should suggest to Analyzer or Planten to minimize his font to a normal one. It seems that he badly needed to get attention. We can see your post Analyzer even if you write normally!

You have posted some very interesting subjects with different reasons for being a muslim. How do you know that this people really have understood what Christianity is. The statements you have pasted are personal views which do not provide anything to prove their understandings. Why don’t you defend their reasoning and we will see how you can address every reasons they made if you thought we are interested by their testimonies or to convince us.
 
Salaam/peace

Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching;

and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious.”

[Al-Qur’an 16:125]

Dr. Zakir Naik:

Increase in the world religions from 1934 to 1984

An article in Reader’s Digest ‘Almanac’, year book 1986, gave the statistics of the increase of percentage of the major religions of the world in half a century from 1934 to 1984.

This article also appeared in ‘The Plain Truth’ magazine. At the top was Islam, which increased by 235 percent, while Christianity had increased only by a mere 47 percent.

May one ask, which war took place in this century which converted millions of people to Islam?

Islam is the fastest growing religion in America and Europe. Today the fastest growing religion in America is Islam.

The fastest growing religion in Europe is Islam.

Which sword is forcing people in the West to accept Islam in such large numbers?

( The author is the president of Islamic Research Foundation, Mumbai. Email: islam@irf.net, irf.net)

islamicvoice.com/august
its fine by me if people want to be muslim, without forcing views on the public. debate if challenged, but im pretty sure smiting peoples necks is not a form of argument. you fail to answer the question. all religions have a factor of simple spreading of the word, but the verses i asked you about are not about spreading islam peacefully. please address those verses.
 
I think you miss the point. If Islam teaches you that you are superior and that you should conquer infidels by the sword, you don’t spend a lot of time perfecting your arguments (not that Islam is defensible). Reasoning with (cultural or violent) jihadists is done with the hope of exposing the truth and showing the goodness of Christ. Paul said that to evangelize is to be ever ready to explain the reason for your joy.
 
Elaborate on the Trinity? We know the many descriptions/names of God in the Old Testament emphasize God’s attributes. God is the almight father. God is also the all-nourishing mother (El Shaddai). The Holy Spirit is referred to as God’s Wisdom. God the son who saves us from sins. But, they all refer to and describe the same God. We are all made in the image of God (male and female he created them). Men and women are both human. The three persons of the Trinity are all God. (“Hear, Oh Isreal, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.”) We resemble/reflect attributes of God. It is when we in turn make up our own god that we impose human limits and motivations onto our god and place ourselves as equals to our gods. Hmmm.
I meant the following

The Jews saw the Trinity as Father, Mother, and Son. The Holy Spirit is referred to as “Wisdom” in the Old Testament and is always referred to as "she.
 
I think I should suggest to Analyzer or Planten to minimize his font to a normal one. It seems that he badly needed to get attention. We can see your post Analyzer even if you write normally!

You have posted some very interesting subjects with different reasons for being a muslim. How do you know that this people really have understood what Christianity is. The statements you have pasted are personal views which do not provide anything to prove their understandings. Why don’t you defend their reasoning and we will see how you can address every reasons they made if you thought we are interested by their testimonies or to convince us.
so Analyzer and planten are one and the same? did planten get kicked out and come back with a new id? :rotfl:
 
I meant the following

The Jews saw the Trinity as Father, Mother, and Son. The Holy Spirit is referred to as “Wisdom” in the Old Testament and is always referred to as "she.
? Well, those are facts you can research.
 
The “protection” that they are forced to pay for is to not be killed for not converting to Islam. However it is excused or justified, that is what it is about.
 
Do you know before the war, there were millions of Chaldean Catholics and Syrian Orthodox living in Iraq?
**Really? Then why the War was waged against innocent Iraqi children, men and women to disperse/kill them too?

Did Saddam disperse/kill them under his Christian Prime Ministership?

Then you are strangely asking this:**
Do you know how many there are now? Do you know how many Christians in Iraq were killed?
**

Are you talking to yourself and saying if the War was not inflicted upon innocent Iraqis and incidents such as Abu Gharib were not had happened, then, they still would have been living there?**
 
But does the Protestant Bible sanction a tax on Catholics? No. But, Islam’s holy book give three choices to unbelievers: 1) The sword; 2) The infidel tax; or 3) Conversion.
 
Salaam/peace
But does the Protestant Bible sanction a tax on Catholics? No. But, Islam’s holy book give three choices to unbelievers: 1) The sword; 2) The infidel tax; or 3) Conversion.
and the holy Bible gives only one option for disbelievers : destroy the whole city including kattles. I wonder , why kill inncoent domestic animals because of sinners ? :eek:
 
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