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Hellisreal
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Bible Steve,
Would you call this study you tell us of, close to the concordant methold?
Would you call this study you tell us of, close to the concordant methold?
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BibleSteve
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Honestly, I’ve never heard about this method… I’ll have to go read up on it… I’ll let you know
For those doubters, those who feel motivated to call me a LIAR…yes, this study method was exactly what I did… After doing so, I suspected that JW’s were a prime candiate for having the truth, but yikes! they were so hated and spoken against… I did a similarly intense study on all the criticism against JW’s… I bought EVERY book on the market against JW’s… (20+ at that time) and went through them point by point, line by line…
It was only after all this, I knew truly undersood Jesus comment…
(Matthew 10:24-26) “A disciple is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his lord. 25It is enough for the disciple to become as his teacher, and the slave as his lord. If people have called the householder Be·el′ze·bub, how much more [will they call] those of his household so?* 26 Therefore do not fear them;** for there is nothing covered over that will not become uncovered, and secret that will not become known.
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Hellisreal
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Thanks, I was hoping if you need any questions answered of me, as well you will let me know.
I await your reply.
Its worth it to me and I am patient. (but I do fail often)
This, does have my interest though.
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Hellisreal
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Bible Steve, my spelling I see was in error!
Concordant Method
Not Methold.
Doh!
Concordant Method
Not Methold.
Doh!
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b_justb
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What an excellent non-reply! You continuously evoke DeBuhn as a source to back up your ideology because you see him as an biblical authority outside of the JW circles. When it is pointed out that he is not an biblical authority you reply with this? Most excellent!
So are you now placing DeBuhn and his ideas on par with Christ? And anyone that disagrees with DeBuhn (or perhaps that should be your name there) is some sort of damned Pharisee? Do I read your non-reply correctly here, Steve?
Anyone that disagrees with your stance on what the bible says is a Pharisee, like the ones Jesus condemned in the proof texts you posted? Do I have that right?
So are you now placing DeBuhn and his ideas on par with Christ? And anyone that disagrees with DeBuhn (or perhaps that should be your name there) is some sort of damned Pharisee? Do I read your non-reply correctly here, Steve?
Anyone that disagrees with your stance on what the bible says is a Pharisee, like the ones Jesus condemned in the proof texts you posted? Do I have that right?
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Ravyn_Guiliani
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So Steve if you are thoroughly convinced you have the truth, why are you here? This is a forum for people who have questions and are seeking the Catholic faith, not to disprove it or proselytize for their own faith. Surely you can get all YOU need to know about Catholics from your own sources can’t you?
I am not being mean to you I just can’t figure out why you would risk censor from the elders spending this much time in our midst if you were not indeed counting your time talking to us.
I am not being mean to you I just can’t figure out why you would risk censor from the elders spending this much time in our midst if you were not indeed counting your time talking to us.
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Hellisreal
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Maybe he is researching the origins and definition of the concordant method. I hope it wont take to long, unless he is going line by line checking all dictionaries for what is the most accurate definition.
Might be a while I think.
Might be a while I think.
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BibleSteve
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No, I’ve read up on the concordant method… I wouldn’t say that is what I did. I simply used my own method that allowed me to see the similarities and differences between many translations.
I then repeated the method by examining what the Bible said compared to the various religions. Then, I examined why each religion interpretted as they did against contrasting beliefs of other groups.
It was only then, that I began to realize that JW’s may be speaking the truth…
The final part of this study methodology was to do a detailed examination of every book critical of JW’s (about 20+ at the time) and examine each and every argument against JW’s in detail.
After this, I was very sure about what group I wanted to associate with…
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yessisan
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That’s a scary thought. After researching so many religions how can someone fall for one that is not even considered a Christian one? Probably our friend Steve has me on his ignore list, but it’s pretty interesting to see that someone who has a college degree and be so, how should I put it?.. So, well versed? I’m not finding the words I want to say, but someone who’s been educated enough to have a critical mind, how can he have fallen for the WT?
The WT can be proven many times as a false religion but Steve fell for it.
What is it so appealing about the WT? I’ve been there and all I heard was anti-Catholicism and anti-Christ’s Divinity blabber and many other negative things… All their ideas are strange, their tactics are strange, but one thing they do have that I admire is their determination and “loyalty” to God, even though it’s geared in the wrong path.
And JWs don’t? They are masters at doing this…
And JWs aren’t on autopilot? I don’t want to say they are brainwashed, but that’s what it looks like… and BTW, Catholics aren’t hypnotized. We are actually encouraged to question our faith. We are told that you shouldn’t stop questioning until you find the answers because he who prohibits from letting others search for the truth has something to hide , and that’s exactly what the WT does. The WT prohibits JWs to search and question their faith.
The Bible itself speaks of this:
Search for the truth and you will find the Truth and I am sure if you really search, you will arrive at the Catholic Church.
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Hellisreal
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Steve, thanks for coming back on. I thought you would. 
I see similarities in your method and this one though, but I do believe you when you say its your own method because I take you on face value, and have no reason to think otherwise.
By the way, I hope you will be able to come back and check for new threads on JW topics from time to time. You are much more knowledgable than any other JW I have conversed with, and I think it helps to get information from someone who has really emmersed themselves into their faith rather than just tries to meet the minimum requirements.
I see similarities in your method and this one though, but I do believe you when you say its your own method because I take you on face value, and have no reason to think otherwise.
By the way, I hope you will be able to come back and check for new threads on JW topics from time to time. You are much more knowledgable than any other JW I have conversed with, and I think it helps to get information from someone who has really emmersed themselves into their faith rather than just tries to meet the minimum requirements.
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BibleSteve
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Thank you, Hellisreal. That’s very nice of you to say this…Steve, thanks for coming back on. I thought you would.
I see similarities in your method and this one though, but I do believe you when you say its your own method because I take you on face value, and have no reason to think otherwise.
By the way, I hope you will be able to come back and check for new threads on JW topics from time to time. You are much more knowledgable than any other JW I have conversed with, and I think it helps to get information from someone who has really emmersed themselves into their faith rather than just tries to meet the minimum requirements.
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BibleSteve
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Actually, based on my reading of scripture, I’m not surprised that the group that really is following the Bible would be dismissed with names like “cult” and “non-Christian”…
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VWcrazy
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I think what you really mean is “the group following the Watchtower”.
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yessisan
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Always going back and forth in circles. Then, the same goes for Catholicism. It’s the most criticized religion in the world for its tough teachings such as moral values, marriage, sex, contraception, Papal authority, just to name a few.
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BibleSteve
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No, based on my own personal study program (outlined here and on another thread), I’m in a very good position to make my own conclusion about them following the Bible…
This bit about simply following “the Watchtower” is disinformation put out by JWcritics…
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yessisan
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Steve, I don’t want to attack you or come out as a “JW critic”, as you call me and many other posters here, but remember that I am married to a JW and I went with him to ALL the meetings and assemblies for over a year. I’ve been inside the walls of the WT and I am not misinformed at all.
After “studying” with the JWs and after almost becoming a publisher (for DH’s sake), I came to the realization, and making up my own word, re-realization that the CC is the only true Church. I found many times, over and over again if you will, numerous times, that the WT wasn’t teaching correct information about the Bible, even though I tried to ignore those things too many times. Several times I just went along so I could get along better with DH, but guess what? Nothing could keep me there. My conscience was always picking at me telling me God would punish me for following the WT’s way of teaching.
Many times Steve… not once, twice or three times… TOO MANY TIMES I came upon instances that showed me, proved me it was a false religion.
I know in your eyes it’s not, and I respect that… I don’t know if you noticed the rest of the stuff I said about your posts, but I respect you as a person, as an educated person, and as a devoted person to God, however, I believe you are here for a reason. Whatever reason that may be, you ended up in a Catholic forum. Maybe it’s God’s way to bring you to the CC.
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BibleSteve
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Thank you for these nice words…
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yessisan
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You’re very welcome but it’s the truth, no need to thank me.
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yessisan
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Steve, can I ask you one thing that doesn’t have to do with the thread? If no, please feel free to ignore this post.
Why do JWs still speak to me if I clearly rejected their way of teaching? I was never baptized, but all in my DH’s congregation thought I was geared that way. Why is it that only baptized JWs get shunned?
I still wonder why the JWs from DH’s old congregation still speak to me. I was basically one of them until I decided to return to the CC. I had to tell them I wasn’t happy about DH being a JW again, but that I was happy for him because he wanted it.
I don’t understand this. I studied for over a yr and learned why baptized JWs get DF’d but why not apply the same rules to those who study and haven’t baptized? What about a kid who is raised as a JW and doesn’t baptize and then decides to reject God according to the WT teachings?
Why do JWs still speak to me if I clearly rejected their way of teaching? I was never baptized, but all in my DH’s congregation thought I was geared that way. Why is it that only baptized JWs get shunned?
I still wonder why the JWs from DH’s old congregation still speak to me. I was basically one of them until I decided to return to the CC. I had to tell them I wasn’t happy about DH being a JW again, but that I was happy for him because he wanted it.
I don’t understand this. I studied for over a yr and learned why baptized JWs get DF’d but why not apply the same rules to those who study and haven’t baptized? What about a kid who is raised as a JW and doesn’t baptize and then decides to reject God according to the WT teachings?
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Jaypeeto4
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No, 1st century Jews complaining about Jesus, his apostles, and early disciples…
With a few key differences.
Jesus was the Son of God in the flesh and was working
hundreds of miracles in the presence of all people, including
those religious leaders, including but not limited to,
raising the dead, giving sight to people who were born blind,
restoring withered hands, casting out demons, etc etc.
The early disciples (apostles) were inspired by the Holy Spirit
and were teaching doctrines that God inspired them to teach.
The Watchtower Society is not the moral equivalent
of Jesus and his Apostles, sorry.
Jaypeeto4
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With a few key differences.
Jesus was the Son of God in the flesh and was working
hundreds of miracles in the presence of all people, including
those religious leaders, including but not limited to,
raising the dead, giving sight to people who were born blind,
restoring withered hands, casting out demons, etc etc.
The early disciples (apostles) were inspired by the Holy Spirit
and were teaching doctrines that God inspired them to teach.
The Watchtower Society is not the moral equivalent
of Jesus and his Apostles, sorry.
Jaypeeto4
+JMJ+
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