Jill Biden’s ex-husband accuses her of affair with Joe in 1970s

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qui_est_ce:
So Joe Biden married a divorced woman? How is he still presenting himself for communion?
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Can we say “Anullment”?
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There is no proof of an annulment. Joe Biden was married in a chapel at the UN not a Catholic Church.

Do you think if the first husband of Jill had gotten papers to fill out, he would not have gone to the press with questions.? Joe Biden was a senator at the time.

I know when Joe Kennedy II divorced, it was a big scandal. His Catholic wife was all over the press asking how Joe could get an anullment and be married in a Church.
The most controversial “marriage that never was” in recent U.S. political history is back. Sources tell TIME that the Vatican has reversed the annulment of Joseph P. Kennedy II’s marriage to Sheila Rauch. The annulment had been granted in secrecy by the Catholic Church after the couple’s 1991 no-fault civil divorce. Rauch found out about the de-sanctification of their marriage only in 1996, after Kennedy had been wedded to his former Congressional aide, Beth Kelly, for three years.

The annulment was the subject of Rauch’s 1997 book Shattered Faith , which lambasted her ex-husband and was severely critical of the Catholic Church’s proceedings,
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http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1634956,00.html
 
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RidgeSprinter said:
She and Stevenson drifted apart;[16] they became separated during 1974. A civil divorce was granted with immediate effect in May 1975.[17]

She met Senator Joe Biden in March 1975

She and Joe Biden were married by a Catholic priest on June 17, 1977, at the Chapel at the United Nations in New York City
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So she says but the husband has a different story, he writes that both he and his wife Jill worked for Joe Biden ist campaign as senator. He states they both knew Joe’s first wife and were friends. They were two young couples.

A female friend told him that Joe and Jill were getting close. Later a mechanic asked him about his wife’s car being in an accident. He told the husband that Joe Biden was driving.
 
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Catholic priests marry people outside the Church. That alone does not make the marriage valid.
 
qui_est_ce said:
Catholic priests marry people outside the Church. That alone does not make the marriage valid.
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True it does not make it valid. This could have been a priest who thought he was doing Joe a favor and did not follow the Church’s teaching on divorce. There has been no talk of an annulment.
 
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puer.dei said:
Well, of course. How else would I know that no evidence of an affair has been provided? Right now, it’s all “he says, she says.”
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And why was it not brought to anyone’s attention in 2008? Highly suspicious.

Sounds more like an extreme case of Jealousy.
 
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qui_est_ce said:
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True but it does not make it valid either. This could have been a priest
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maybe a Jesuit .
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Could be a priest who thought he was doing Joe a favor, keep the marriage low keyed, little press and no questions…

I have never heard either Joe or Jill say “after the annulment”.
 
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puer.dei . . .
Right now, it’s all “he says, she says.”
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No it’s not. Biden hasn’t said anything. (No “He said.”)

Jill Biden’s original husband has affirmed it. (He did say Joe was in an adulterous relationship with his wife - a proverbial home wrecker.)

Other people (including the car accident driver/witness) has at least affirmed Joe and this other man’s wife) were together.

Have you ever defended “Trump” with any REAL he-said/she-saids? Because there are several of those.
 
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Cathoholic . . .
Biden hasn’t said anything. (No “He said.”)
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That was concerning JOE Biden (which is WHY I mentioned “No “He said.””).

RidgeSprinter . . .
Probably because she too dignified to respond to it?
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Bold mine for context.

RidgeSprinter. Why are you referring to Joe Biden as “she”?
 
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I’m going to take a different perspective and say we don’t have enough information to say that Jill Biden needed an anullment. Why? Because we don’t know her or Bill Stevenson’s baptismal status at the time. I myself do not assume that people who are married are baptized. I myself am married to a non-baptized person and am in a very loving natural marriage.

Here is a question to ponder.
When did Jill Biden receive the sacrament of baptism? Before, during, or after her marriage to Bill Stevenson?
It says on her wikipedia page
“The family was not particularly religious, but in ninth grade, Jacobs independently took classes in order to join the [Presbyterian church]”(Presbyterianism - Wikipedia)

Also is Bill Stevenson baptized, or not? Like I said, I do not make assumptions about these things.

A) If they are both baptized, then it was a sacramental marriage, at the break up of their marriage…then a declaration of nullity would be needed to marry in the Catholic Church

B) If one of them is baptized, but the other isn’t. It would have been a natural marriage. Then she could have applied for the Petrine Privilege. This is a dissolution of marriage by the Pope. FYI, perusing Catholic Answers regarding the time frame for the dissolution via Petrine privilege, many people here state that they recieved their affirmative answer within 6 months.

C) If neither Jill Biden or Bill Stevenson were baptized. Then they were 2 unbaptized persons entering a natural marriage. From my understanding granting of the Pauline Privilege does not require permission from the Pope, but is handled locally by the Bishop.
 
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Cathoholic said:
No it’s not. Biden hasn’t said anything. (No “He said.”)
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Oh, come on. There clearly is a “he said” – the ex-husband who’s making these claims. Sorry, I just can’t believe that was too complicated for you to understand.
Cathoholic said:
Jill Biden’s original husband has affirmed it. (He did say Joe was in an adulterous relationship with his wife - a proverbial home wrecker.)
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And never in history has anyone lied about their ex-spouse.
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Other people (including the car accident driver/witness) has at least affirmed Joe and this other man’s wife) were together.
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Again, according to the ex-husband. These “other people” do not seem to have come forward publicly.
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Have you ever defended “Trump” with any REAL he-said/she-saids? Because there are several of those.
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Hmm. First you don’t recognize the “he” making claims about Dr. Biden. And then you have Trump’s names in quotes – scare quotes? indicating-something-is-fake quotes?
Very odd on both counts.
 
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Bold mine for context.

RidgeSprinter. Why are you referring to Joe Biden as “she”?
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Who is the the “he says, she says” in this conversation

He is Steve. whateverhislastnameis
She is Jill Biden.

So ergo

Probably because she to dignified to respond to it(the accusation)?
 
Allie1 said:
Here is a question to ponder.
When did Jill Biden receive the sacrament of baptism? Before, during, or after her marriage to Bill Stevenson?
It says on her wikipedia page
“The family was not particularly religious, but in ninth grade, Jacobs independently took classes in order to join the [Presbyterian church]”(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presbyterianism )

Also is Bill Stevenson baptized, or not? Like I said, I do not make assumptions about these things.

A) If they are both baptized, then it was a sacramental marriage, at the break up of their marriage…then a declaration of nullity would be needed to marry in the Catholic Church
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Aren’t these questions that should have asked and answered some time ago. The assumption is that they have but again the Biden have never stated they have an annulment or given facts about their marriage in the Church.

This husband appears not to have dealt emotionally with his wife’s infidelity. . He buried it and it has come back with so many articles on the Biden’s romantic beginnings. Remember the husband voted twice for Barach Obama so this is not a Trump supporter.

It raises the question of honesty.
 
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From the op article . . .
. . . Stevenson and his then-wife (Jill - now Jill Biden) grew close to Biden in 1972 while working on his first campaign to represent Delaware in the US Senate. . . .

. . . Stevenson said he first suspected an affair in 1974, when his wife passed on meeting an up-and-coming rock star who was set to play at his Delaware club.
. . . “Bruce Springsteen . . .

“’I asked Jill to go with me and she said no — she had things to do, she had to look after Joe’s kids, . . . “I had no idea she and Joe were that kind of friendly.

“Then one of her best friends told me she thought Joe and Jill were getting a little too close. I was surprised that she came to me.”

A couple months later, Stevenson got all the evidence he needed when he was told that his wife had been in a fender-bender in her car — while Biden was behind the wheel.

“I was at work and a guy came in and asked, ‘Do you own a brown Corvette?’” Stevenson recalled. “He said back in May it had crunched his bumper and they told him to get an estimate and he never heard back from them.

“I said, ‘Wait a minute. Who is they?’ And he said, ‘Funnily enough, Senator Biden was driving.’”

“I considered Joe a friend. . . .

. . . The Bidens, who have been married since 1977, have publicly said they met on a blind date in 1975 — after Joe became a widower and Jill’s first marriage had broken up. . . . .
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gam197 said:
Aren’t these questions that should have asked and answered some time ago.

This husband appears not to have dealt emotionally with his wife’s infidelity
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Yes, and you are assuming that these questions were not dealt with at the time of her marriage to Biden. Moreover, you are assuming that the priest who married Jill and Joe Biden did not do his do dilligence.
We do not have information to question the validity of the Biden’s marriage

If anything, I do agree that the ex-husband has issues. Should have managed them 50 years ago
 
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