Joaquin Castro doubles down amid backlash over tweeting names of Trump donors

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Again, donations are public, so, there is nothing to release. It is like saying “are you okay with President Trump releasing the address of all of the Walgreen’s Drug Stores in the world?”
That the donors names are public is a pretty thin read to support a politician sending out names of his opponents and suggesting his supporters intimidate them, but it you’re okay with the precedent, just don’t get bent when it gets turned back on you, or if one of the intimidatees feels threatened and doesn’t react well.
 
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I know that my campaign donations are public, so, I cannot fathom I’d get “bent” (whatever that means).
 
But if a prominent person in your state has specifically singled YOU out to shame YOU
and encourage others to intimidate YOU or
if you owned a business to imply because of your donation to a specific candidate
perhaps it is best not to do business with
YOU it would be different.
 
By making the informed decision to donate, I understand that anyone may access that information and that people may “judge” me for that action.
 
By making the informed decision to donate, I understand that anyone may access that information and that people may “judge” me for that action.
That’s true, but Castro went beyond that, accusing them of supporting hatred against Hispanics as part of it. That’s a whole different thing.
 
We really shouldn’t laugh at this because
I am sure some democrats have contemplated something like this or would find it “acceptable” - especially Joaquin!!
 
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That’s true, but Castro went beyond that, accusing them of supporting hatred against Hispanics as part of it.
Bet they’re Trump donors so if one or two of them get curb stomped, they brought it on themselves…
 
I respect the difference between public and private information. I once gave private information about myself to a fellow poster in a PM. It was then publicly disseminated on the board. Never again.
more than once someone here published a book and experienced retaliatory bad reviews on Amazon.com after they made it known they had published the book.
 
But what Castro did was totally uncalled for. People in this country have the absolute right to make a political donation to a politician
People do have that right, but free speech also extends to what Castro said. I agree it was a deflection from any issue, and indicative of the very pettiness he condemns, but when people make political speech, in the form of contributions, they are not immune from the reactions of other.
 
People do have that right, but free speech also extends to what Castro said. I agree it was a deflection from any issue, and indicative of the very pettiness he condemns, but when people make political speech, in the form of contributions, they are not immune from the reactions of other.
Are you comfortable with elected politicians using this information to attempt to intimidate citizens exercising their Constitutional rights? If one of these donors gets the snot kicked out of him or has his business burned down, do you think Castro should be held criminally liable?
 
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So what is the big deal here? Trump and his supporters should be immune form politics?
As I said in another post"
“But politicians should not “call out” their constituents like that. Castro needs to address Trump’s behavior, not campaign donors. It is part of the political process to be able to make a donation and not have fingers pointed at you for your party affiliation or politician of choice.”

Calling out individuals based on their political donations or party affiliations can be very problematic and lead to discrimination and other potential issues. Under the current tragic circumstances in El Paso, Castro’s calling out of donors could potentially create another scenario where an angry individual does an act of violence against the donors.

If we’re going to live in a free country, we can’t be afraid that a political donation or association with a particular political party will result in retribution.

There was a time in this nation, in the not to distant past, that a voter had to be affiliated with a specific political party in order to get a job. That does not promote our political system and freedom.
 
but when people make political speech, in the form of contributions, they are not immune from the reactions of other.
That’s the problem.
They should be if we expect to be able to live in a country where we truly have political freedom of speech. That’s what freedom of speech is…the ability, as a private citizen, to select your leaders through our legit political process without being called out by a government official.

And what is “immune from the reactions of others”?
What is an acceptable or unacceptable reaction?

Calling out a constituent isn’t acceptable and it violates the spirit of our political process.
 
No. Those that commit a crime should be held liable.
So when Trump releases the names and addresses of AOC’s or Ilhan Omar’s donors saying it sure would be a shame if anything happened to them, you’ll support him exercising his 1st amendment right?
I was seeing if this was an honest presentation, so I checked the actual tweet.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...n-castro-tweet-trump-donors-texas-san-antonio
Sad to see so many San Antonians as 2019 maximum donors to Donald Trump — the owner of ⁦@BillMillerBarBQ⁩, owner of the ⁦@HistoricPearl, realtor Phyllis Browning, etc⁩.

Their contributions are fueling a campaign of hate that labels Hispanic immigrants as ‘invaders.’
 
They should be if we expect to be able to live in a country where we truly have political freedom of speech.
Freedom of Speech from the USA Constitution has never protected us from the reactions of people to that speech. I dont think such protection is even logically possible given that reactions to Constitutionally protected speech include more Constitutionally protected speech.
That’s what freedom of speech is…the ability, as a private citizen, to select your leaders through our legit political process without being called out by a government official.
Constitutional free speech is only about limiting the actions of government to speech. Where things get confusing is that government employees also have Constitutional free speech (public schools can find themselves in confusing situations because of this).

If a government employee decides to retaliate against the speech of another in their capacity as a government employee than that may be a violation of the First Amendment or local laws on Free Speech. But a government employee exercising free speech in reaction to someone else’s speech might not constitute such a violation.
And what is “immune from the reactions of others”?
Any information that someone else knows could cause a reaction. There is no protection from this.
Calling out a constituent isn’t acceptable and it violates the spirit of our political process.
It is frowned upon. But there are not federal laws against it. You may have local laws that further restrict what a government employee can say while executing their duties as a government employee.
 
Freedom of Speech from the USA Constitution has never protected us from the reactions of people to that speech.
I know of one who has complained about the hatred and boycotts against Chik-fil-A because of the political contributions of that owner, but then will swore off Starbucks for the same reason. Meh. It is okay to donate to whoever one wants, as it is to disassociate and not support those whose donations we do not like. In such a divided nation as America, it will probably wash most of the time. For one person that wants nothing to do with someone on Castro’s list, someone will support that businessman because he is on that list.
 
But a government employee exercising free speech in reaction to someone else’s speech might not constitute such a violation.
I agree. It would depend.
But in Castro’s case, he supposedly called out his constituents that supported Trump.
Castro holds the position of power as an elected official. Using his position of influence to call out those voters could be seen as a form of disenfranchisement which leads to voter suppression by getting people angry enough to intimidate the Trump supporters to change their political position.
Any information that someone else knows could cause a reaction. There is no protection from this.
Sure there is. Your employer can’t discriminate against you based on your political donations or party affiliation. In the 1960’s in the South, men had to have a certain party affiliation to be hired by employers. My grandparents age group couldn’t register to vote under a different party affiliation if they wanted a chance at being employed.
It is frowned upon. But there are not federal laws against it.
I didn’t say it was illegal, but that it violated the spirit of our political process. I expect that type of behavior from Trump’s camp, not from Castro. The democrats are quickly becoming what they had been in the past.
 
I know of one who has complained about the hatred and boycotts against Chik-fil-A because of the political contributions of that owner, but then will swore off Starbucks for the same reason.
I had a coworker that were quasi-against Chick Fila-A (I say “quasi” because they were pretty friendly when Chick Fil-A considered a contract with our company). I decided early on not to tell them that I enjoyed my time at Camp Windshape as a child (the Windshape organization was started by the founder of Chick Fil-A. The founder was also an active member of the community in which I grew up). I speculate them knowing that I feel okay about Chick Fil-A to cause some slight abrasiveness in day to day interactions.

Those are consequences I dont feel like having. And my primary objective at work is to make income and go home. While I have a right to share the information I’ve chosen not to in the interest of a more comfortable environment for myself.
 
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