Judge Dismisses Rudy's Suit

[F_Marturana]

Trump was putting up red flags by himself by constantly complaining even before the elections that mail in votes were likely to be fraudulent. He even told his voters to try to vote twice to see what would happen.

Mail in ballots are just absentee ballots. There’s a pandemic. I voted by absentee ballot, as did my son who is asthmatic. We dropped the ballots off at the polling station.

He’s never ever lost anything graciously in 70+ odd years of his life.

He’s flooded courts with litigation for years.

The election isn’t even close.

There can’t be allegations without proof.

No one has been able to come up with any proof.

Hugo Chavez tampering with election from beyond the grave is a crackpot theory.

There’s no proof.

The smirk on James Carville’s face is just a smirk.

 

[vz71]

Mail in ballots are just absentee ballots.

That an absentee ballot is mailed in does not make all mail in ballots absentee.

There is a big difference.

 

[F_Marturana]

Judges are impartial.

This particular judge was a Republican, a NRA member and in the Federalist society.

There isn’t any proof at all that he’s corrupt.

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[JonNC]

I didn’t claim it to be “evidence”, but it made me very suspicious of what inside knowledge he seemed to be privy too in order to so confidently announce that Biden would be the winner.

Red flags were going up long before election day.

I heard people in 2016 overwhelmingly confident that Trump would win despite the polls. He did. That is not proof of Russia collusion. Carville’s smirk is the same.

Red flags were going up long before election day.

Evidence.

I predict this will all be swept under the rug as complacent Americans weary of the pandemic and
Preparing for the holidays say to themselves " there is nothing they can do", submit to the fact it was an election rife with fraud and nothing will be done about it.

So, on one side you say “swept under the rug”, and done on the other side think it is an imminent coup de tat.
I do not think the courts will sweep it under the rug, nor do I believe that tanks are about to roll into the capital.

 

[Victoria33]

Even if Trump loses this, we will hear about all of the alleged fraud for years and years.

Mail in ballots coming in at 4 AM in the morning of the day after the election to save the day for one candidate, give me a break!

 

[JonNC]

Mail in ballots are just absentee ballots.

No, they are not. Mail in ballots refer to the practice of sending out ballots to the entire voter roll unsolicited. One must ask for an absentee ballot.

There’s a pandemic.

Millions of civilians voted in person. I’m not aware of any Covid outbreaks linked directly to in person voting. Are you?

I voted by absentee ballot,

There is nothing wrong with it. But if we are going to send out mail in ballots, voter rolls should be audited before every election.

 

[TMC]

Yes, Trump has a legal right to file lawsuits.

Everyone has a right to file lawsuits, that is our system. I could toddle down to the courthouse and file a lawsuit that says PattyIt is a secret alien who ate my firstborn and then stole my shadow. Not everything that one is entitled to do is also something that is appropriate or moral to do.

 

[PaulinVA]

As many suspected, the case is going to the highest court.

No, it won’t .

I doubt the Supremes with grant certiorari. There is no constitutional question. There is no evidence. They will not grant cert, and it will be over.

 

[OraLabora]

Was this a judge appointed by Obama? Do these judges not care about the Constitution?

Yes but he’s a Republican.

 

[TMC]

Was this a judge appointed by Obama? Do these judges not care about the Constitution?

Here is what GOP Senator Pat Toomey said about the opinion:

“With today’s decision by Judge Matthew Brann, a longtime conservative Republican whom I know to be a fair and unbiased jurist, to dismiss the Trump campaign’s lawsuit, President Trump has exhausted all plausible legal options to challenge the result of the presidential race in Pennsylvania,” Toomey said in a statement.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate...ulates-biden-says-trump-should-accept-results

 

[ChuckB]

We are all being hoodwinked.

Sorry, Dear. YOU are the one who’s been hoodwinked.

 

[JonNC]

Everyone has a right to file lawsuits, that is our system.

That is correct.

I could toddle down to the courthouse and file a lawsuit that says PattyIt is a secret alien who ate my firstborn and then stole my shadow.

Evidence would need to be required just before you are committed.

Not everything that one is entitled to do is also something that is appropriate or moral to do.

Trull has done nothing inappropriate or immoral in these days following the election.
He may very well have wasted his own money, but nothing more.

 

[JonNC]

Sorry, Dear.

How disgusting and condescending.

 

[TMC]

Evidence would need to be required just before you are committed.

YES - evidence would be required for the suit to go forward. Now you are getting it. Where is Trump’s evidence???

Trull has done nothing inappropriate or immoral in these days following the election.
He may very well have wasted his own money, but nothing more.

It is quite sad that so many believe that trying to undermine the electoral system is neither inappropriate nor immoral.

 

[JonNC]

YES - evidence would be required for the suit to go forward. Now you are getting it. Where is Trump’s evidence???

If he has no evidence, the court throws out the case. I am not aware of any entity that gets to decide the quality of evidence before one files a suit and goes to court. It is up to the judges.
This is what is playing out. This is how the system works.

It is quite sad that so many believe that trying to undermine the electoral system is neither inappropriate nor immoral.

It is really sad when people believe that exercising one’s rights is inappropriate and immoral.
Again, the electoral system is being upheld and sustained by the process going on. If Trump has no evidence and the courts rule against him, the electoral process is upheld. If he does have evidence of massive fraud, and the courts rule in his favor, the electoral process is saved from a true undermining. In either case, if we believe in our system, we should be happy the system was upheld.

There is something nefarious in people trying to undermine the right to legal challenge. It is immoral and inappropriate.

 

[pnewton]

We put men on the moon 50 years ago and yet have not learned how to run honest elections with all the technology we have today.

There are also those who say the moon landing was staged. So this is a good parallel.

 

[Pattylt]

. I could toddle down to the courthouse and file a lawsuit that says PattyIt is a secret alien who ate my firstborn and then stole my shadow.

Careful! I’m an agnostic/atheist and many could believe I eat babies!

Yes, I agree with your point. It’s why I’m starting to think that Trump is displaying his mental issues with his known narcissistic traits. It’s beginning to look pathetic with all but two (minor ones) getting thrown out. It’d be different in my opinion had evidence been accepted in court. With so many being dismissed due to lack of evidence, he’s looking desperate. He also doesn’t seem to care how it looks.

 

[TMC]

It is really sad when people believe that exercising one’s rights is inappropriate and immoral.
Again, the electoral system is being upheld and sustained by the process going on. If Trump has no evidence and the courts rule against him, the electoral process is upheld. If he does have evidence of massive fraud, and the courts rule in his favor, the electoral process is saved from a true undermining. In either case, if we believe in our system, we should be happy the system was upheld.

There is something nefarious in people trying to undermine the right to legal challenge. It is immoral and inappropriate.

Sorry, you have this completely backwards. Trump and his people are making false statements to undermine the system. They are now saying that the GOP governor of Georgia is involved in the conspiracy, and may have taken bribes (or given them depending on which conspiracy they are using at the moment). They are saying that downballot republicans that got more votes than Trump in their districts likely bribed someone to get them. They are alleging massive international conspiracy based on pure speculation and fantasy - implicating institutions from the government of Germany, to the US Army, to dead dictators.

That kind of direct attack on our electoral system, divorced from any evidence or even common sense, is not appropriate or moral.

 

[pnewton]

Do these judges not care about the Constitution?

Therein is the problem. There is nothing constitutional about allowing the outgoing president to overturn election just because. Lawsuits that allege fraud need evidence. There is simply no constitutional issue present, at least yet. Remembering that the Supreme Court only hears a small percentage of cases, and only those that have merit, do not look for them to consider many, if any at all, of these cases. The Republicans have been appointing more strict constitutionalists and federalist to avoid legislating from the bench. That cannot simply be undone and expect such legislating from the bench because of some misguided sense of loyalty.

The incumbent is becoming more toxic the more extreme his steps become. I look for even more of the GOP to start and distance themselves, less the whole party become disgraced, leaving the current president with only the core that has always followed him, as he himself said, even if he shot someone in the street.

 

[F_Marturana]

See, it’s all related the moon landing being fake, Elvis being really alive, the Deep State, and the fraudulent election.

When I was young and shop with my mom I often wondered about the stories in the supermarket check out tabloids.

Now the internet has taken the place of those tabloids, and it’s harder to ascertain what’s true and what’s false.

Add to the mix a president who has a past of enjoying creating conspiracy, and alternate facts.