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LilyM
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I detect a definite lamb allergy - as well as an allergy to anyone who disagree’s with kujo’s quirky (to say the least) understanding of both the Bible and the Catholic Church.
Kujo313's Assertions About Catholic Marian Beliefs (Isis!?...Goddess!?)
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I detect a definite lamb allergy - as well as an allergy to anyone who disagree’s with kujo’s quirky (to say the least) understanding of both the Bible and the Catholic Church.
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Eden
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Kujo won’t answer this question. He agrees that the word “Christian” was first used at Antioch but he won’t answer the question about the Bishop of Antioch calling the Church “Catholic”.
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TobyLue
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This just proves it all. Kujo has fallen for all those Jack Chick lies and has no intention of opening his eyes to the truths and history of the Church. If a lie is told often enough many people will believe it as being true. Same lie as “the CC would chain the bibles so nobody could read it”
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Its being said before but I will say it again even though Kujo has denied it and no matter how many times he denies it he is only lying to himself.
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Kujo,** YOU WORSHIP A BOOK**. You don’t worship Jesus, you worship a book and you worship the act of speaking in tongues.
Kujo, you are **guilty** of “Though shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor”. You may deny it but you are guilty of it.
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It’s called bibliolatry
Peace and God Bless
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Michael_Francis
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Please keep the charity level up in this discussion.
Aspire to the higher standard. Jesus.
Aspire to the higher standard. Jesus.
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LilyM
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kujo:
No, the full quote is ‘happy is the womb that bore you … RATHER (‘in addition, also’) happy those who hear the word of God …’ Mary is the only person who had the ‘womb that bore’ Christ, so she is indeed MORE highly honoured - unless you’ve given birth to the son of God, Kujo, you are not in the same league.
Care to respond to this? In what way to you think you are endearing yourself to Christ by suggesting that his mother is unclean and made him unclean and has Alzheimers?What do you think God is going to say to you when you do get to him? Is he going to say to you 'you disrespected, insulted and ignored my most beloved and most perfect daughter, the mother of my Son and the spouse of my Holy Spirit … the most perfect of all human beings after Jesus himself, at whose request he performed miracles before he was supposed to … who I singled out among human beings time and time and time again …
but hey, I don’t REALLY like her that much after all, so welcome in anyway?’
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kujo313
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Matt 16:23
But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.”
Satan used Peter. Don’t you think he’ll go after your hearts and use Mary, too? Jesus warned us that many shall come in His name and shall deceive many. Instead of going to God through Jesus, just like He said, you’re putting words in Mary’s mouth and only going to Jesus because she told you to.
We’re not talking about “parents”, we’re talking about God.
Mark 8:33
But when He had turned around and looked at His disciples, He rebuked Peter, saying, “Get behind Me, Satan! For you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.”
Mankind looks too far into things. When the Bible mentions “king” man thinks “queen”. When Jesus says “Father”, you say “mother”.
Still, we aren’t focusing on parents, we’re supposed to be focsing on God.
Luke 22:3
Then Satan entered Judas, surnamed Iscariot, who was numbered among the twelve.
Even one of Jesus’ elect.
John 8
37 “I know that you are Abraham’s descendants, but you seek to kill Me, because My word has no place in you. 38 I speak what I have seen with My Father, and you do what you have seen with your father.”
39 They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father.”
Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham. 40 But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this. 41 You do the deeds of your father.”
Then they said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father—God.”
42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”
Abraham listened, and Abraham DID. Of course you’re gonna come back with “Jesus said, therefore, we do.” But looking at His disciples, whom He explained things CLEARLY, they didn’t do it!
If THAT’S the case, are they the devil’s children? No way.
“the desires of your father you want to do” one of which is taking your focus off of God and putting it on the people who point the way.
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Kujo… I’d be worried about that if the Blessed Virgin had ever said anything that didn’t commend us to ever greater devotion and commitment to her Son.
What part don’t you get…,there IS NO Mary worship in Catholic teaching, only in your head or something.
Every last thing that you have offered has been refuted. Accept it and move on or something. If this is the best you’ve got against Catholic teaching then you’ve got nothin’.
Pax tecum,
What part don’t you get…,there IS NO Mary worship in Catholic teaching, only in your head or something.
Every last thing that you have offered has been refuted. Accept it and move on or something. If this is the best you’ve got against Catholic teaching then you’ve got nothin’.
Pax tecum,
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kujo313
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’ Mary is the only person who had the ‘womb that bore’ Christ, so she is indeed MORE highly honoured -
By YOU.
It’s clear that some of the people who followed Jesus at ADD. They had trouble focusing.
“But how about the woman who gave birth to you.” “Blessed are those who hear the word of God and obey it”. That includes YOU AND ME!
“Jesus, your mother and brothers are outside” Jesus said that His followers ARE His mother and His brothers. That, too, includes ME AND YOU.
Too simple.
The Bible mentions Mary that little bit of time because that’s all we need to know. Cure your spiritual ADD and get focused back on Jesus.
If somebody wanted to, they could write about Joseph and call him the “Holy Stepfather”. Im sure that the words “chose” and “chosen” could be used as well.
I’m just trying to say to focus on God because Jesus told you to. Do you really need to do it because somebody ELSE may have said it?
By YOU.
It’s clear that some of the people who followed Jesus at ADD. They had trouble focusing.
“But how about the woman who gave birth to you.” “Blessed are those who hear the word of God and obey it”. That includes YOU AND ME!
“Jesus, your mother and brothers are outside” Jesus said that His followers ARE His mother and His brothers. That, too, includes ME AND YOU.
Too simple.
The Bible mentions Mary that little bit of time because that’s all we need to know. Cure your spiritual ADD and get focused back on Jesus.
If somebody wanted to, they could write about Joseph and call him the “Holy Stepfather”. Im sure that the words “chose” and “chosen” could be used as well.
I’m just trying to say to focus on God because Jesus told you to. Do you really need to do it because somebody ELSE may have said it?
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Yeah, that was pretty http://bestsmileys.com/clueless/1.gif weird, wasn’t it? I mean, if you’re going to base everything on the Bible, it might be a :yup: good idea to actually **read **it occasionally…http://bestsmileys.com/clueless/7.gif But, hey…that’s just me…
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You do realize that God is your Father right?
As well, sinse I can (and do) go directly to the Father (Hey I even say prayers to Jesus and the Holy Spirit- though I have never heard that mentioned by pentecostals before) What need have I to listen to you? As well I have all my brothers and sisters in heaven who did the will of God. Of course they aren’t dead as pentecostals presume (which means Christs sacrifice was in vain if they aren’t in heaven) but quite alive.
As well under the protestant umbrella doctrine, sinse it covers all who believe that Christ is their Lord and savior, why are we suddenly not under that invisible umbrella? It goes against your doctrine.
I mean, to use a hyperprotestant phraseology, I let the Holy Spirit guide me. But sinse He is guiding me in something different than you I will listen to Him. Or I suppose we could get together and take it to the Church as Christ commanded and let them decide? Are you willing to follow Christs command in this matter?
21 Whoever has my commandments and observes them is the one who loves me. And whoever loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and reveal myself to him."
I have my bishops e-mail address handy when you are ready.
Peace and God Bless
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Anybody dare to say they don’t need the Bible? How would you know what’s in it? Your own “pope” does not reveal all of it to you or else you’d turn away from him and he will not see your money.It’s called bibliolatry
Peace and God Bless
Nicene
Your temples are closing around this country. (detnews.com March 22, 2006.) The average age of your priests is getting older as less men join.
Isn’t everybody tithing? Don’t they give offerings on top of the tithe? Why can’t you shout for joy in the congregation? Why can’t you dance?
Or is it because you don’t want to?
Matthew 21
6 So the disciples went and did as Jesus commanded them. 7 They brought the donkey and the colt, laid their clothes on them, and set Him on them. 8 And a very great multitude spread their clothes on the road; others cut down branches from the trees and spread them on the road. 9 Then the multitudes who went before and those who followed cried out, saying:
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“ Hosanna to the Son of David!
‘ Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD!’
Hosanna in the highest!”11 So the multitudes said, “This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth of Galilee.”
Allowed to cry out at the entrance of the city but not allowed to in the congregation? Terrible.
Hasn’t the Holy Spirit moved you to dance or shout or to cry out?
Jesus Christ has risen! I dare you, today, Sunday, to stand in the midst of your congregation, in the middle of your ‘service’ (mass, i know), and say ‘Amen’ as if you mean it.
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kujo313
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All of your friends in Heaven, DID die. Yep. ALL of them.
I can do something that you can’t do: speak from both sides of Catholic and “protestant” since I spent half in my life in one and in the other.
I guess, then, by your reply, the disciples didn’t love Jesus. IF you’ve read your Bible, you’d read that only one disciple took Mary home. THEN you’d read that Mary followed Jesus. Nobody came up to her for her to point the way.
Jesus said that He is the Light of the world. He said that when He is lifted up, people will be drawn to Him. Do you believe that we need permission to approach the Light, as if we’re trying to see Prince Charles or Queen Elizabeth?
I don’t know about you, but I’m going to walk past the front desk and go straight into the “office”.
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If my comments have been answered earlier bear with me. Its because I haven’t been thought all of this thread but I’ve read some of your posts.They seem to be getting more frantic.Your last post makes it sound like Catholics are taught they cannot pray directly to Jesus but must go through Mary or one of the other saints. You must know that it not correct so why do you imply it?
Also I’m not clear what you mean by “all your friends in Heaven DID die”. Their bodies which were alive on this earth died but their souls LIVE in Heaven. At the Final Judgement our bodies will be reunited with our souls. Nobody in Heaven is dead. Christ promised us **Eternal LIFE ** with him in Heaven. If nobody in Heaven lives then it would mean Christ lied to us.
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All my friends in Heaven are very much alive! They are more alive than you can possibly imagine, & they are alive forevermore.
Please stop throwing out insults long enough to read that Bible you claim to follow, & you will find the words of Jesus; you will find that He promised that those who follow Him have eternal life; they are not dead at all, though it might seem so, to those who doubt God’s promises.
The Jesus that I know, suffered & died, precisely so that those who are Hid disciples would not die, but live, with Him, eternally, in Heaven.
Why on earth should I trade that blessed hope, for the earthly, carnal pleasure of “shouting” & “dancing” around in a congregation of people who are not worshipping, they are simply “besides themselves”??
Who in their right mind would give up the living water from Christ Jesus, for a few hours of yelling & hollering until they have as bad a headache as if they spent their time in the local tavern???
I have the gold, Kujo; I have the Pearl without price. The cheap costume jewelry & tawdry clothes of emotionalism–they pale to nothingness, by comparison.
“Mother of Christ, pray for us.Mother of divine grace, pray for us…
Virgin most venerable, pray for us…
Vessel of honor, pray for us,
Singular vessel of devotion, pray for us.
Mystical rose, pray for us.
Tower of David, pray for us.
Tower of ivory, pray for us.
House of gold, pray for us.
Ark of the covenant, pray for us…”
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kujo313 said:
Your temples are closing around this country. (detnews.com March 22, 2006.) The average age of your priests is getting older as less men join.
Isn’t everybody tithing? Don’t they give offerings on top of the tithe? Why can’t you shout for joy in the congregation? Why can’t you dance?
Or is it because you don’t want to?
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Allowed to cry out at the entrance of the city but not allowed to in the congregation? Terrible.
Hasn’t the Holy Spirit moved you to dance or shout or to cry out?
Jesus Christ has risen! I dare you, today, Sunday, to stand in the midst of your congregation, in the middle of your ‘service’ (mass, i know), and say ‘Amen’ as if you mean it.You have just crossed the line with this remark and I have reported you.
You have not really answered the posts made in response to yours, instead you have persistently ignored what has been offered in charity and good faith only to return with trash like the remark above.
Catholics have never said that we don’t need the Bible, in fact we have all of it, as did the apostles and Our Lord Himself and if you’d take the time to honestly look into the Canon of the Word of God, you’d see that it was not the Catholic Church that added the seven books of the Deuterocanonicals but Martin Luther and his post reformation boys that removed them without good cause.
I defy you to enlighten us as to what part of the Word of God the Pope “does not reveal all of it to you or else you’d turn away from him and he will not see your money”. This is a completely baseless allegation and if you really believe such a thing then you again display an abysmal ignorance of the Catholic faith that pretty well disqualifies you from making any credible assertions about it.
We don’t have temples, duh. The churches that are closing, some of them needed it due to population shift. Others, well, non-Catholic churches close too from time to time. So what’s the big deal? Especially since most of the new n-C churches that are built are because somebody didn’t like the doctrines of a church and decided as their own little authority to start their own somewhere else and “preach it right.” (That’s how the Pentecostal church that I was part of came into being before I ever heard of them.)
We go to Mass to worship and it’s a lot better than anything I have ever seen or experienced in n-Cs churches. Oh I can cry out if I need to…but I only do that to you n-Cs who attack the truth and have abandoned the faith of Christ and His apostles. (Hey JSmitty2005, ya wanna take over from me on this point?
)Pax vobiscum,
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It looks as though Kujo has been so removed from the reality of the Church for the past 20 years that his head has been filled with all kinds of conspiracies and error by the Pentecostal movement.
The pope keeps us from reading the Bible? :whacky:
Kujo you continue to avoid the fact that the same place in which followers of Christ were first called “Christian” is the same place where the Bishop of Antioch called that Church “Catholic”. He was made bishop only about 20 years after Acts was written and he knew Sts. Peter and Paul. Why can you not address this point? It is clear that the True Church is called Catholic, not Pentecostal.
The pope keeps us from reading the Bible? :whacky:
Kujo you continue to avoid the fact that the same place in which followers of Christ were first called “Christian” is the same place where the Bishop of Antioch called that Church “Catholic”. He was made bishop only about 20 years after Acts was written and he knew Sts. Peter and Paul. Why can you not address this point? It is clear that the True Church is called Catholic, not Pentecostal.
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I guess, then, by your reply, the disciples didn’t love Jesus. IF you’ve read your Bible, you’d read that only one disciple took Mary home. THEN you’d read that Mary followed Jesus. Nobody came up to her for her to point the way.
…snip the rhetoric…
I don’t know about you, but I’m going to walk past the front desk and go straight into the “office”.(Color coded for your convenience…)
You sure didn’t pay much attention when you were Catholic (if your testimony on this is true) because you show a terrible lack of knowledge of what catholics realkly believe and why and spout the same ole a-C rhetoric while ignoring honest efforts to respond.
I, on the other hand, can also speak from both perspectives. Read why HERE. but I know what I’m talking about, and if not I either shut up or go find out for myself.
I have read my Bible…many times, (and still do). Of course the Blessed Virgin followed Jesus, and set probably the best example of anyone of the humble Christian life. She knew things about Jesus that no one else did, which brings me to my next point…
You’re dead wrong about no one coming to Mary to point the way. Since the 2 Gospels that recount any infancy and childhood information about Jesus were written by men that didn’t even meet Him until He was 30 years old, and didn’t pen their Gospels until much later still, then just where do you think they got their info for those Gospels? Only one source could possibly remain…the Blessed Virgin herself. IF you read your Bible (Matthew 1:18-2:23, and Luke 1:26-56-2:52 so you don’t have to work to find it…) you’d have seen that there is only one source that could have tied all this testimony about Christ together. Mary. So that means that at least 2 apostles contacted her for her testimony of Our Lord, and it is pretty substantial stuff too. If you ignore it then you do so at the risk of your own honest testimony.
Walk on then…but try not to let the forum door hit ya in the backside as you do…
Pax tecum,
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LilyM
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Church Militant:
By the way, kujo, since you’re so interested in reading, there is at least one little nugget that didn’t make it into the Bible called the Protevangelion - have a read sometime. It recounts Mary’s early life in its entirety, and is the source of some of the beliefs we Catholics take for granted, such as Mary’s perpetual virginity, which stems from her having served time in the Temple as a young girl, and the names of her parents (Anna and Joachim).
Why am I mentioning this? Two reasons - the first being that it (like the Gospels) was written by one of the Apostles - James in this case. Head of the Church in Jerusalem James - one of the apostles in fact. More evidence that they did indeed take extra special interest in Mary (as if that were needed).
The second is that the Protevangelion is mentioned by Origen, one of the earliest Fathers of the Church, so it is great evidence of interest in and special status for Mary from the earliest days of Christianity.
Very well said CM … ‘Mary pondered all these things in her heart’ indeed - Luke especially obviously went straight to the source. :yup:
By the way, kujo, since you’re so interested in reading, there is at least one little nugget that didn’t make it into the Bible called the Protevangelion - have a read sometime. It recounts Mary’s early life in its entirety, and is the source of some of the beliefs we Catholics take for granted, such as Mary’s perpetual virginity, which stems from her having served time in the Temple as a young girl, and the names of her parents (Anna and Joachim).
Why am I mentioning this? Two reasons - the first being that it (like the Gospels) was written by one of the Apostles - James in this case. Head of the Church in Jerusalem James - one of the apostles in fact. More evidence that they did indeed take extra special interest in Mary (as if that were needed).
The second is that the Protevangelion is mentioned by Origen, one of the earliest Fathers of the Church, so it is great evidence of interest in and special status for Mary from the earliest days of Christianity.
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